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Allan Wotherspoon, please don't read this. :D
I am currently in my death throws against Allan Wotherspoon defending the Reich.
I am 41 points below a marginal victory with 9 turns to go in the scenario. I have an opportunity to lash out and capture an unguarded city that may tip the balance in my favour and give me the win.
Is this sneaky, underhanded, and frowned upon?
Or is it fair game and should be done for the win?
Allan Wotherspoon, please don't read this. :D
I am currently in my death throws against Allan Wotherspoon defending the Reich.
I am 41 points below a marginal victory with 9 turns to go in the scenario. I have an opportunity to lash out and capture an unguarded city that may tip the balance in my favour and give me the win.
Is this sneaky, underhanded, and frowned upon?
Or is it fair game and should be done for the win?
All's fair etc....
At the very least, he won't make that mistake again....
All's fair etc....
At the very least, he won't make that mistake again....
What he said. Nothing like being burned, to improve one's game.
If someone leaves an objective unguarded against the type of forces that are arrayed against him and reasonably usable, then he deserves to lose it. Anything else isn't fair to him (as a learning experience) or to you.
Or, as Tom so succinctly put it "All's fair etc..."...:laugh:
Of course, if his excuse is that he was distracted by Operation Frances in a Birthday Cake, then you might have some moral decreptitude to make amends for. However, that doesn't sound like it might be the case here...;)
Menschenfresser
09 Jul 07, 23:36
Depends for me. On the situation.
By what you describe, I'd say 'no' but wouldn't call it sneaky or underhanded. If it's the scenario I think you're talking about, you've invested a lot time in the game and to end it on a possibly sour note kinda blows.
Depends for me. On the situation.
By what you describe, I'd say 'no' but wouldn't call it sneaky or underhanded. If it's the scenario I think you're talking about, you've invested a lot time in the game and to end it on a possibly sour note kinda blows.
It's the original, unbalanced, Western Front.
Well, if you did it to me, I'd be going "D'oh!" and thinking I deserved it, eh?
Overlooking things like that always counts as pilot error in my book. :crosseye:
A PO would, I imagine, LOL!
Well, fortunately or unfortunately it failed. Looks like it'll be another unstunning defeat for the Axis in this one. Damn.
Silvanski
10 Jul 07, 02:02
Operation Frances :laugh:
Veers is a master in psychological warfare:halo:
I see nothing wrong in a PBEM game to go after an unguarded VP location.
If I see it's possible vs the PO I dive into the editor and make the necessary adjustments
If someone leaves an objective unguarded against the type of forces that are arrayed against him and reasonably usable, then he deserves to lose it. Anything else isn't fair to him (as a learning experience) or to you.
Or, as Tom so succinctly put it "All's fair etc..."...:laugh:
I agree... I voted it's fair, though there is one sneaky situation i can think of and that is if you are player 2 and capture some unguarded or guarded hex via airdrops or with an air assault (i mean a (probably suicidal) airdrop on top of an enemy unit guarding the hex). So, as Mensch said:
Depends for me. On the situation.
I agree... I voted it's fair, though there is one sneaky situation i can think of and that is if you are player 2 and capture some unguarded or guarded hex via airdrops or with an air assault (i mean a (probably suicidal) airdrop on top of an enemy unit guarding the hex). So, as Mensch said:
Agree, more so if it's the last couple o' turns, but this doesn't seem to be the case here, eh?
Non-the-less: the games a game, eh? If I screw up by not paying attention, shame on me, not my opponent!
Suicidal bs on the last (or next to) turn in order to win, well, it really isn't winning, reguardless of score, and I'm sure that all of the Grognards here would never stoop to such, eh?
An Aside: My wife plays 'hearts and spades' on a ladder, and she faces problems were the 'defeated' individual is responsible for reporting the loss;
Sometimes, she has problems where her opponent won't report it.
Pretty sad, in my estimation.
If ya need to 'win' that bad, mayhap playing competition isn't really what ya should be doing, eh?
To me the whole purpose of playing pbem would be to have something better than the PO to challenge, and I'd only enjoy this if my opponent felt the same way! One reason why I have no problem with scenarios that include 'honor rules'.
The games the thing, eh? Win/loss should always come secondary. I guess I just don't get the idea behind going to all the effort to 'cheat' online.
Wyatt; personally, I wouldn't consider taking advantage of 'MY' errors cheating, sneaky, etc etc.....I'd consider it the same as taking advantage of a favorable weather turn, lol! No foul on you, eh?
Kurt
Alls far in love and war
I was burnt badly like this in the Kasserine scenario a loooooongggggggggg time ago. it hasnt happend since!!
Most definately - in a situation like that, there can be only two possibilities...
He forgot all about this important victory hex, in which case it is your duty to 'remind' him :laugh: ; or he left it empty purposely, it which case it is your duty to make him pay for it!
That said, I will echo some similar statements, and say that it is very situational. As you know, EA is my thing - I would not let an EA game be settled on an 'oops', even were it to cost me a loss when I would have had a victory... As a grognard, I've faced the same problems that most of you from the boardgame era have faced... Few opponents.
So I've basically been battling with the same person for over 20 years, in most cases. And long, long ago we cam the the understanding that since an average game takes several hundred hours, we would prefer to win (or lose!) based on a solid effort, not see all that time go down the drain because of a single oversight that was probably caused by the phone ringing at an inopportune moment. No game will *ever* be decided by an 'oops!'
To that end, I have allowed opponents to correct certain things in their turns, even though it meant doing a couple turns over. And I also appreciate the same respect when it's been shown to me!
A victory pointed place is set to be captured or defended, there are no regrets to take it
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a white rabbit
21 Jul 07, 06:22
..it's open, it's got vps, you take it...
..and he learns not to be so careless as it costs him the game..:cool:
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