Jutland

[Daedalus]

I can for see some teeth griting battles coming! It is going to take some real hard thinking to be able to win with all the ships that where around at that time. And that is going to make this one awesome game! I am passing the word around to all that like this type about as fast as I can.

Any thoughts on this addon?
If there is please post them and lets get a thread going on the new addon so all can find data on the battle.
Links or books anything that some of you seem to have a majic touch with finding.

I am digging up my books on the balistic data on the weapons of that era, I will try to post on that and the ship types. I am going to have to do a lot of reading on the Warships as I am not up on them as I should be.
If anyone has some titiles that I could read please post so I can see if I can find them somewhere.

[mbv]

While my naval history and warfare interests are quite wide I have never really paid much attention to WWI for some reason, I tend to concentrate, with difficulty, on RN WWII escort ships and pre 1905 British ironclads. I love it when a new naval strategy game forces you to learn about a whole new era of naval design and tactics :) I only have three books on Jutland:

Jutland 1916: The Last Great Clash of Fleets by Charles London (Osprey MilitaryPublishing, Campaign Series 2000). A good all round basic introduction to the battle with many b&w photos, plans and colour profiles.

Jutland - An Analysis of the Fighting by John Campbell (Conway Maritime Press 1998) which presents a virtually minute by minute, hit by hit, account of the battle from both sides with excellent technical analysis. I think this is easily the most recent and complete technical book you will find on the subject, but if you want the human stories look elsewhere.

Jutland - The German Perspective: A New View of the Great Battle of May 1916 by V.E. Tarrant (Caxton Editions 2002) which uses previously untapped German archival material to present the battle from the German side which is essential for an unbiased view.

[Bullethead]

Jutland - An Analysis of the Fighting, by John Campbell (Conway Maritime Press 1998) which presents a virtually minute by minute, hit by hit, account of the battle from both sides with excellent technical analysis. I think this is easily the most recent and complete technical book you will find on the subject, but if you want the human stories look elsewhere.

If you want what the ships were really doing and where they went, look elsewhere as well. However, this book is THE definitive source for the damage done to capital ships. The damage to cruisers and destroyers is kinda skimmed over in comparison, but it's still very good. The summary chapter at the end is worth the price on its own.

The place to look for the Brit side of what the ships were doing, where they were going, and why, is The Rules of the Game by Gordon. And I have to say that this is about the most fascinating book on military history that I've ever read, whether on air, land, or sea subjects.

Jutland - The German Perspective: A New View of the Great Battle of May 1916

Thanks for the tip, I'll have to get this one myself ;).

[Haida]

Here's an excellent web page from Britain focusing on the British and German navies of WW1. All the major naval battles and the ships in service are detailed there.

World War 1 Naval History - World War One battles, pictures, maps (http://www.worldwar1.co.uk/)

[Rhetor]

Jutland - The German Perspective: A New View of the Great Battle of May 1916 by V.E. Tarrant (Caxton Editions 2002) which uses previously untapped German archival material to present the battle from the German side which is essential for an unbiased view.

Another "must buy" for me :-D

I can recommend Massie's "Castles of Steel". Great description of the entire British-German conflict at sea during the IWW.

[mbv]

The place to look for the Brit side of what the ships were doing, where they were going, and why, is The Rules of the Game by Gordon. And I have to say that this is about the most fascinating book on military history that I've ever read, whether on air, land, or sea subjects.

And thanks for your tip Bullethead, that is one I will have to read :thumup:

[Jim McConnell]

Another great book, focusing on detailed operational planning from the RN perspective as well as the operations themselves, is The King's Ships Were at Sea: The War in the North Sea August 1914 - February 1915, by James Goldrick.

From the outbreak of war through the battles of Heligoland Bight, the Scarborough Raid & Dogger Bank, Goldrick really gets inside the heads of RN planners & commanders, and he writes with style as well. A fascinating read.

[Hinchinbrooke]

I have V.E. Tarrant's book. A good read, especially interesting as it's from the German point of view. The line drawings scattered throughout aid the imagination.

Another book I like is D. K. Brown's "The Grand Fleet", which has plenty of detail about design and development (Brown was/is a naval architect). If you have a need to know how ships coped with different sea states, etc., etc., you'll find out.

If pop-ups don't drive you nuts, Imperial German Navy in World War I - Schlachtschiffe (http://german-navy.tripod.com/sms_bb.htm) has some very nice photos, etc.

[PJJ]

If you can speak German, you can find a lot of information about the German Imperial Navy that is not available in English. There are also quite a few rare (and not so rare) German books about the history and ships of the Kaiserliche Marine.

I can recommend two excellent books about WW1 era German warships:

Die Linienschiffe der Kaiserlichen Marine 1906 - 1918. Konstruktionen zwischen Rüstungskonkurrenz und Flottengesetz.

and

Große Kreuzer der Kaiserlichen Marine 1906 - 1918. Konstruktionen und Entwürfe im Zeichen des Tirpitz-Planes.

They concentrate on the bigger ships, but who cares about the little destroyers anyway. :)

[Zakalwe]

THX for the head up, ordered both books via Amazon

Z.

[Daedalus]

Thanks for the Replys. Now I can get some reading done on this and try to get an idea of the time.

[bill44]

Hi guys, been some months since I was last here, I'm still o/seas, and it's taken a while to get on to find the forum
This new game has me excited, can't wait.
A little tidbit from the battle, the youngest receipent of the Victoria Cross was John Cornwall, just 16, he held the rank of Boy first Class, just below ordinary seaman.
His ship HMS Chester was hit in the latter stages of the battle, and his position was at the forward 5 inch gun, the entire gun crew were cut down Cornwall was mortally wounded but stayed at his post, lest he be needed, and in the words of the captain in a letter to his mother "with only his own brave heart and god for company".
He was rushed to hospital back at port but died of his wounds, the VC being awarded phostumously (sp)
Anyway, I will try and keep up with what's going on as time permits, it's busy here at the moment for me, and I can't wait to get back to home and my family.

[Bullethead]

Hi guys, been some months since I was last here, I'm still o/seas...

Hey Bill-

Glad to know you're still in 1 piece. Hope you stay that way. And thanks again.

[Daedalus]

Hi guys, been some months since I was last here, I'm still o/seas, and it's taken a while to get on to find the forum
This new game has me excited, can't wait.
A little tidbit from the battle, the youngest receipent of the Victoria Cross was John Cornwall, just 16, he held the rank of Boy first Class, just below ordinary seaman.
His ship HMS Chester was hit in the latter stages of the battle, and his position was at the forward 5 inch gun, the entire gun crew were cut down Cornwall was mortally wounded but stayed at his post, lest he be needed, and in the words of the captain in a letter to his mother "with only his own brave heart and god for company".
He was rushed to hospital back at port but died of his wounds, the VC being awarded phostumously (sp)
Anyway, I will try and keep up with what's going on as time permits, it's busy here at the moment for me, and I can't wait to get back to home and my family.

Hi Bill glad to see you are ok and doing well. My Son is over there also but I can't say where as you know. All of you guys take care and come home when you can so we can get back to playing sims and being with family.
I'll keep checking back to see if you have had time to reply.

See ya
Daedalus

[bill44]

Hi guys, thanks for the kind thoughts, it's summer here now, mid 40's but climbing in to the 50's next month. I will be on 2 weeks leave soon, off to Singapore to meet my wife for a rest (and some alcohol) then back in to it for the final couple of months, then back home to my family.

Daedalus: My best wishe's to your son for a safe return.

Bullethead: We Aussies have you Yanks over to our camp regulary for BBQ's we get on great together.

I can't wait to get back to DG, then Jutland, I follow the forum as time permits, but it's busy here for us at the moment, look forward to "chatting" with you all again soon.

Bill.

[Bullethead]

Bullethead: We Aussies have you Yanks over to our camp regulary for BBQ's we get on great together.

Please don't call me a "yank". I'm a Texan :D. "Yanks" are from the northern 1/2 of the US and are looked upon about as favorably by us Southerns as Englishmen are by Scots. Probably because over here, the Scots migrated to the South and the English to the north, mostly :).

That said, Aussies have always struck me as being Texans with different accents. Same sort of cowboy mentality. So cheers! :smoke: