British OOB's

[Don Maddox]

I have some questions about British OOB's (1991 era). I've been working with the UK RCP calculator from GaryBezek that's posted on the DA Yahoo Group. I'm a bit confused with some of the values.

For starters, it lists an M109 FA battery as having a strength of 8 and a FA regiment as having a strength of 24. A US FA battalion has a strength of 9. How does a UK FA unit compare to a US unit. Does a battery = a battery? Is a regiment the same as a US regiment?

I have similar questions with armour units. How does a UK armoured brigade compare to a US brigade? And what exactly is a squadron? This obviously isn't the same as a US squadron, which is in reality a battalion (just a different name). Is a coy equivilent to a US company?

I'll post the UK OOB I'm working with a bit later so I can get more detailed feedback.

[Ivan Rapkinov]

Don: http://www.orbat.com/site/toe/toe/uk/uk_toe.pdf

[Don Maddox]

Okay good. Thanks.

[Gary]

Hi Don,

The RCP data in the UK Orbat is incorrect for some items, especially artillery. The RCP calulator that I was using at the time had several bad calculations in it. I down loaded it and for the life of me I can not remember who wrote it.

I am working on an improved version at the moment.

Gary

[Gary]

Don

In answer to your other questions.

Coy = Company

Squadron is the term for a company level organisation used by armour, engineers, signals and some service support units.

Artillery in the late eighties and early nineties had six guns to a battery and three batteries to a regiment.

An armoured brigade would have had two armoured regiments and two infantry battalions. I UK armoured regiment is about the same strength as a US armoured Bn.

Hope this helps.

Gary

[Don Maddox]

What type of combat service support is available for UK units. I'm working with an OOB for the British 1st Armored division in Desert Storm. I have reasonably detailed information on the combat formations assigned to this command, but almost nothing on the support units.

I imagine a UK division must have something similar to a US FSB or DISCOM, right? Is this support assigned directly to the brigades or does it stay as a single entity at the division level? Does anyone know which UK units of this type supported the UK in Desert Storm?

[Don Maddox]

Hi Don,

The RCP data in the UK Orbat is incorrect for some items, especially artillery. The RCP calulator that I was using at the time had several bad calculations in it. I down loaded it and for the life of me I can not remember who wrote it.

I am working on an improved version at the moment.

Gary
That would be helpful. What we really need is an updated .wef file for Decisive Action that includes completed units for the British, etc.

[Gary]

Don

I'll see what I can dig out for UK support units in Op Granby.

Royal Engineers support was as follows:

HQ BFME - ME Engineer Park = 60 Fd Sqdr RE

4 Armd Bde - 23 Engineer Regt = 39 Fd Sqdr, 73 Fd Sqdr, SKORPION Tp

7 Armd Bde - 21 Engineer Regt = 1 Fd Sqdr, 4 Fd Sqdr,
Elements of 26 Armd Enr Sqdr

Div Troops - 32 Armd Engr Regt = 31 Armd Engr Sqdr, 77 Armd Engr Sqdr, 37 Fd Sqdr, 2 x Flail Tps, 1 x NBC Recce Tp Queens Dragoon
Guards.
Also as Div Troops were three independant sqdrs, 15 Fd SP Sqdr,
45 Fd SP Sqdr, 49 EOD Sqdr


Gary

[Don Maddox]

Thanks Gary. Are 15 and 45 Sp Sqdr logistics support units?

[Gary]

Don,

Sorry I have taken so long to respond to your question. I have been side tracked with Falklands War and POA2 beta. 15 and 45 Sp Sdrns are engineer units. I'll try and dig out some info of Logistics units for you.

Gary