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Kevin Kenneally
17 Mar 07, 15:12
All,
Please relate here what you consioder to be a "Classic Oldie":
Mine would be Warlords & Warlords II for Risk type games....
Mech Commander for controlling a group of Machines.....
freightshaker
17 Mar 07, 16:11
Hmmm, Kampfgruppe and Typhoon of Steel for the C64. The AD&D Gold Box series also.
Depends on how far back you require it to be an oldie.
I for instance, don't think of 80's music as "oldies". Old music is from the 60's.
I consider Steel Panthers a classic. I consider Squad Leader and Panzer Leader classics. I think Heroes of Might and Magic and Civilization (with no numbers added) to be classics. Pacman and Mario brothers are classics. Final Fantasy is a classic. Command and Conquer and Starcraft are classics. I also remember playing D&D when it was originally just D&D and not remarketed 3rd edition called D&D.
They have made some nice games in recent times, but I don't think anything actually destined to become a "classic" has been released this decade yet.
Scott Tortorice
18 Mar 07, 19:34
NATO Commander by Sid Meir!
M.U.L.E. (Multi-Use-Labor-Element) for the C64. A classic classic!
Colonial Conquest, C64. Realms of Impossibility (C64), Castles of Doctor Creep (C64), Impossible Mission ("So, another visitor. Stay awhile. Stay forever!" :laugh: C64)
Scott Tortorice
26 Mar 07, 18:53
Great recommendations, Mantis. How could I forget M.U.L.E.?!? What a great game. And Colonial Conquest was an awesome global strategy game! Easy to play but with deep strategy. God, my friend and I put countless hours into that game, playing it by saving the turn file to a 3.5" floppy and passing it at school. Ah, the good ol' days before the internet.
I have literally played hundreds of games of Colonial Conquest. It doesn't take too long before you get to a point where you can play as any nation, and put all the computers to '9', and still win. Only *once*, in all these games, did I ever lose. And as GERMANY no less! The Russians decided it was time to kick my butt. After me sitting on their capital for about 10 years, they suddenly had three armies of 9,999,999 men. What was funny was they also had the navy to move them. (I can't recall offhand, but with 5 Red navies costing 700,000, it would have taken the entire worth of the earth 125 years or something to pay for that navy :laugh: ) The buggers just stomped right on to both of my factories with 10 million men, and then sat there...
But for head to head play - this is *still* a great game, and I would play it again today.
(I especially enjoyed playing as the Brits - I can be nasty with them, especially during the winter turn... :devious: )
Scott Tortorice
27 Mar 07, 17:16
I always played America and my friend was always Russia. We wrote short stories that reflected what took place in the game. I'm sure I have them saved somewhere on disk (IIRC, we had over 150 pages of stories!).
Holy crap! That's alot of fiction! :thumup: Just adds to the enjoyment of the game, so that's all good!
Yeah, the Yanks were also a favorite. Started small, but had great potential (so long as the UK didn't freak out when Canada falls :laugh: )
A 3.5 disk? Mine was on a 5 1/4 (Obviously - C64 and all). Don't suppose you still have this beast kicking about? :devious:
Actually, come to think of it, I generally played the Standard scenario, so there were no colonies anywhere. I liked the fresh 'anything goes FFA' start, which greatly increased the game's replayability. It also helped that I didn't know the worth of all the areas... For example, there were a couple of islands in the s. pacific that were worth more than the entire rest of the regions, lol! In the standard game, the world was worth considerbaly more than in the historic game (as too many of the earth's regions were virtually worthless at the time - Africa, etc).
Scott Tortorice
31 Mar 07, 18:39
A 3.5 disk? Mine was on a 5 1/4 (Obviously - C64 and all). Don't suppose you still have this beast kicking about? :devious:
Actually, come to think of it, I generally played the Standard scenario, so there were no colonies anywhere. I liked the fresh 'anything goes FFA' start, which greatly increased the game's replayability....
We played the game on the Atari 1040ST and I think I still have the game disk somewhere. I haven't booted-up the ST in a long while, but I am sure it still works.
We also enjoyed the FFA set-up as well. Even though the game was set in the colonial period, we treated it as if it took place during the Cold War. It made the stories more interesting. :) I always played the President while my friend was the Czar/Premier. Too bad there were no nukes in the game....
We did the same thing with Empire, another great game.
trauth116
01 Apr 07, 07:11
Battlezone, Robotron 2084, and Wizard of Wor... I guess Zaxxon counts as well ...
er gaming products - not necessary the coin operated variety -- :screws face up: ... hrm ... I loved Steel Panthers - but was it a classic? Or is it a classic?? What the hell - sure I got heaps of the scenario disks.
I liked the Battleground series ( particularly the Civil War titles ( as I liked the board game Terrible Swift Sword system ). I had some stuff from SSI for my old C-64 -but the Battleground system was a quantum leap from that.
Red Baron was pretty good too (the one by Sierra -not the Atari coin op game).
- Carrier Command: The 1988 Amiga version. It rocks. Link here (http://www.thehouseofgames.net/index.php?t=10&id=38).
- Waterloo: Amiga version - Peter Turcan's series (Borodino, Austerlitz, Armada)... Link here (http://amigareviews.classicgaming.gamespy.com/waterloo.htm).
- UMS: The essence of military strategy. I think it was the first strategy game to provide a map and unit editor. Link here (http://www.mobygames.com/game/ums-the-universal-military-simulator).
- Kick off: The best football game ever!!!! :D Link here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kick_Off).
- Knight Lore: A 3D isometric adventure game for Spectrum. Wow, this one is from 1984. Link here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_Lore).
Also, I would like to add Defender of the Crown, Lords of the Rising Sun, Speed Ball, Archon, .... sigh, so many.
Yes.
Unlike today, programmers/developers back then had a 'hardware wall', so that they had to actually make good games to differentiate their products from the competitor's product. Unlike today, when by the time a piece of software is almost ready to go gold, the graphics are already obsolete, and they were 95% of the reason for releasing the title anways...
freightshaker
02 Apr 07, 19:26
Yes.
Unlike today, programmers/developers back then had a 'hardware wall', so that they had to actually make good games to differentiate their products from the competitor's product. Unlike today, when by the time a piece of software is almost ready to go gold, the graphics are already obsolete, and they were 95% of the reason for releasing the title anways...
AMEN!! Remember Ultima's III and IV?
Ultima III is responsible for making me buy my first PC. We went to a friend's house, and he had Ultima III on his Apple. I went nuts. I ate, slept, and dreamed about that game for months... It seriously was killing me. I got one of the first C64s ever in Canada (the disk drive alone was over $1200 - and that's right at the beginning of the 80s...)
I did *nothing* but play Ultima. When I beat it, IV had come out, and after beating that one, I prompty went and beat II, then they released V (beat it) then they re-released the original (I!) with the updated graphics, so I beat that next. Just as the dust was settling from five whupped Ultimas, VI came out. And that was the beginning of the end.
The atmosphere was lost somehow.
Wow - that was a flashback. But it made me think to a few others games... You know, even the 'second tier' games were great back then. I remember beating Questron and Questron II, Legacy of the Ancients had the best ending I have ever seen in an RPG; I really enjoyed the Phantasie series (completed up to III). I look back, and almost all the games I played were pretty solid.
(Shakes head)
And look at how they make games today...
freightshaker
03 Apr 07, 19:34
I did *nothing* but play Ultima. When I beat it, IV had come out, and after beating that one, I prompty went and beat II, then they released V (beat it) then they re-released the original (I!) with the updated graphics, so I beat that next. Just as the dust was settling from five whupped Ultimas, VI came out. And that was the beginning of the end.
The atmosphere was lost somehow.
We even followed the same sequence! I never played VI, wasn't interested and I was getting hooked on TSR's Goldbox series, another classic! Ultima IV or V, I can't remember, has to be a landmark since it tracked your choices throughout the game and the end game didn't consist of kill the big baddy.
Wow - that was a flashback. But it made me think to a few others games... You know, even the 'second tier' games were great back then. I remember beating Questron and Questron II, Legacy of the Ancients had the best ending I have ever seen in an RPG; I really enjoyed the Phantasie series (completed up to III). I look back, and almost all the games I played were pretty solid.
(Shakes head)
And look at how they make games today...
Don't forget about the Wizardry series!
We followed the same path even more than you know! I played VI for about an hour, and never got back into it. I was too busy playing the Gold Box series from TSR... :laugh: Pools of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds, and I can't remember the name of the next one!
(It was Ultima IV that had you becoming that 'Avatar'... I remember figuring it out {'thou hast lost an eighth', 'thou has lost an eighth', 'thou has lost an eighth'}, starting again, and raping Lord British's treasury dry for two hours, figuring I might as well get as low as I can go in the very beginning, and then I'll settle down and be good for the rest of the game, now that I have this huge wad of cash...)
freightshaker
04 Apr 07, 19:20
(It was Ultima IV that had you becoming that 'Avatar'... I remember figuring it out {'thou hast lost an eighth', 'thou has lost an eighth', 'thou has lost an eighth'}, starting again, and raping Lord British's treasury dry for two hours, figuring I might as well get as low as I can go in the very beginning, and then I'll settle down and be good for the rest of the game, now that I have this huge wad of cash...)
Damn, I didn't think of that.:laugh: If I had a major screw-up and had to reload I did goto the nearest city and kill all the guards though...
I still have Ultimas IV and V in a zip file. Combined they equal just over 1 Meg!!
Yeah, the things they could do with a handful of K back in the old days, eh?
:laugh:
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