Starting Intel Information

[Double Deuce]

On Pro-Goverment Forces:
They seem to be forming up mainly to the South and NorthEast of Zone G.

On Rebel Forces:
They seem to be forming up mainly to the South and SouthWest of G and East of Zone A.

[Pannonicus]

On Pro-Goverment Forces:
They seem to be forming up mainly to the South and NorthEast of Zone G.

On Rebel Forces:
They seem to be forming up mainly to the South and SouthWest of G and East of Zone A.

I read it as jolly good news! It means that the South is not endangered yet. So we do not have to face attack on every front!

Seems to me, that Rebels and Govt will find each other pretty soon around zones N,O. There will be "free" forces in probably C and I. They do not have opponents there, so they are free to attack our cities.

So A and J would be attacked, my estimate is, 2-4 inf. coy + tank plt. As for G, the same could happen, however, I think it it more likely that there would be some fierce battles in O or/and N. Which is good for us...

As far as A and J, I see no point leaving troops there. The intention is clear, they want to attack to capture towns, so they have resupply to back up later battles. Seems to me that both parites came up with the same ideas. Capture probably less-defended Northern towns, and use them as their stronghold and supply base. This is good for us, their plans would interfere with each other!

The fate of T would depend on the outcome of the battle that would take place in O. Troops stationed there probably had the objective of capturing T, for the same purpose as Northern towns.
I believe troops from T should move to G, especially, if convoys leaving A and J were ambushed and decimated (which could happen). This way we have a very-very strong garrison in G, which is the focal point of the whole war now as I see. Campaigns, at least initially would take place in the North, and we could credibly control the vital junction of this area.

If we get reinforcements, they would probably arrive to AA or CC, so those places will be reinforced by the time it is needed. And even if a larger opfor coloumn starts moving towards AA/CC we can attack them from the rear from G.

What is your opinion
1.on the intel report
2.on my quick analysis?

Regards,
Cpt. Tóth

[mr_clark]

Well, the situation could be worse...

On your anlysis:
We should bear in mind that T is also in the south, so the move from there to G has to be carefully considered.

[Artur]

I agree on everything except thet I believe the company from T should be moved to AA/CC. On 1st turn we move the company from T to area S. In the next op turn (op turn 2) we shall see if the situation in G is so dire we may change our plan. Our most valuable resources are area AA/CC.

Mr Clark has my vote for the XO position :).

[Pannonicus]

Yes, your way is the conservative planning. It secures AA/CC, however, this time G would be in danger. What about waiting for N/O/L sector pro-govt and rebel forces exhausting each other, and when one of them finally moves on G attacking them from the back?

DD, what about such movements, could we fight on better terms if we accomplish something like this? Attacking unprepared, rear-echelon troops, or "getting into the hen-house" and attacking mortar emplacements or command posts (for example) directly?

This way, since it looks that the airport is in no danger at all Ukrainians could attack the back of troops attacking G from N. What do you think about it? If there are no forces in the South, then we should use our manouverable elements to concentrate wherever possible.

If they launch a joint attack from N and O for example to G, then N should be attacked from CC with Ukr. troops while O should be attacked from T with Pck coy. This could wreak havoc on them, I think.

Leaving A and J would bring reinforcements to G from the other direction.

Are these ideas too reckless?

[Pannonicus]

Or, I have another plan. This goes contrary to what was said before, but knowing the situation might have some merit.
In my opinion, warring forces are in I (govt), L (reb) O (govt+reb) N (govt) C (reb). If you look at it, it forms a nice ring around G. So the main objective (strategy of interior lines!) will be for both parties to capture and hold G. What about leaving it to them (so they would exhaust each other, and gain little points)? Unfortunately, I cannot come up with a working movements plan to achieve this, but it could work as well. Anyway, you should probably disregard this paragraph, I just wanted to give some food for thought.

[Pannonicus]

Gentlemen,

By keeping G we will be probably under constant attacks, however, concentrating a battalion-strenght force there should be enough, at least for now.

So my proposal for movement is:

Pck coy leaves A, moves to G, keeping force together. They are covered by one Mirage plane, scouting routes to them to avoid contact with opfor. Mirage is armed with rockets, in case it needs to defeat armor. If opfor from C attacks G, coy attacks them from behind, to divert them. If this is completed, they break contact and move to city on another route.

Britons leave J, moving to G, other Mirage overhead, similar task and armament. They arrive to G, so can help defending if needed. If troops from I attack G, britons attack their back in a diversionary mode to pull forces away from city. If that is completed, they disappear and enter (forcefully, if necessary) city on another route. In both cases losses should be avoided if possible, especially with armoured elements.

Coy in G in protective posture, force prepares to defend, mostly from the south. Heavier attack should come from N (maybe L), since in O rebels and govt would fight each other - they might not be able to attack at all from this zone.

Coy in T moves out, heading North. Attacks opfor in O if necessary, if not, then mobile elements of the coy can help diverting attacking opfor in N.

Dependign on the seriousness, Ukr. coy might start moving North, heading to W first, then N. If attack from N is determined against G and repeated (or likely to be) against G then Ukr. attack them from in the rear.

Marines and pck coy in CC assume defensive posture, partolling nearby zones estabilishing good links with locals.

What do you think?

Regards,
Cpt. Tóth

[mr_clark]

I accept this plan, but I think we should really just take offense action when it can not be avoided, as we lack heavy troops.
Though, using the Ukrainians as a mobile strike force for creating a little havoc in the enemy's rear also sounds quite good.
Here we have too keep in mind that we may only attack if we are assaulted first, so I hope the OPFOR does not push too hard in the first turn, as we need the units in a strong position (--> G) without to much trouble.

[Artur]

1.Moving from A to G and J to G is ok.
Defending in G and AA and with Pck co. in CC is ok.

2. I suggest to move with the company fro to to S. If we move the mobile elements to N they can easily be defeated. (3 inf squads 2 Fiats and one M60 is the mobile force...) Not to mention that we risk the probable loss of the M60.In the next op turn the whole company can move north if needed. The inf to N the mobile forces right into the city in G.

3. I would wait one turn with the Ukrainians, There may be 2-3 companies hiding near the airport. If we move with the ukrainians the airport can be easily taken. I suggest to make patrols with the ukrainians in the neighbouring areas and return to CC at the emd of the op turn. (They can move 2 areas.) If they see nothing we can move them north if needed.

4 I am afraid we cannot use the Mirage section one by one.If I am right we shoud keep them in defense of G.

5. Of course they could deploy all their troops in the north. Then it would be wise to move all our mobile assets to G but we cannot know that in advance.What do your instincts tell you??? I feel that the Rebels may have some surprise in the south... :).

6. We could make a statement to the warring sides. We will move "patrols" From A->G and J->G. We ask for free passage. G will be guarded with airplanes. Maybe this way the Govt troops will go for J and the rebels for A.


Question For DD. Can we use the Mirages separately?

[Pannonicus]

Artur,
I accept your propositions, they sound very wise. Could you word the statement and post it at an appropriate place? (I can edit it, but I do not have the time to write it from the beginning.)

Mirages should cover routes of convoys if possible, getting into G worth more than functioning there as CAS. It depends, of course, if they attack with heavy forces then we need those Mirages to save G.

[Double Deuce]

Question For DD. Can we use the Mirages separately?
Yes, you can.

[Artur]

This would be the statement.

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Gentlemen,

In spite the UN has done his best to keep this island in peace the leaders took things in the wrong direction. UN will protect the citizens. We will make patrols to keep the routes open and defend the cities.

We will send reinforced patrols from towns J to G, T to AA, and A to G. We have air assets to support our patrolling forces and cities under attack should such event occur. We ask for free passage for our troops.

There are reinforcements coming if the UN is attacked. We will move our troops to positions where we can block the expansion of the warring side that FIRST attacked the UN.

Do not underestimate the value of the UN troops. They are well trained and can do severe damage to the attacking side is they are provoked.And you certainly would not like your warring opponent to take advantege of your losses inflicted on you during the attack on the UN...

If you have some disagreement with each other and you want to decide who is right in the hard way then do it. Do it in the countryside. But leave the innocent citizens in peace.

Commander's sig

[Artur]

DD, where is the place to announce this?

Gentlemen, do you agree with this statement? (The res does not have to know thet we can swithc from S to G IF needed)

We have to announce this fast before the warring sides make 1st op turn orders!!!!

Artur.

[Double Deuce]

DD, where is the place to announce this?
I will set up an unsecure diplomatic forum. Basically it will be a Island Civil War General Discussion Forum. Give me till later tonight :D

[Pannonicus]

Artur,

I like it! I will upload it if the forum is created by tomorrow morning. Maybe I would use a little more forceful language when talking about our air assets. It seems to me that they are quite frightened of the possibility of air raids (and they have no AA). So tricking them into believing that we have a fleet of air force sounds very good to me. :devil:

Cpt. Tóth

[mr_clark]

Artur,

I like it! I will upload it if the forum is created by tomorrow morning. Maybe I would use a little more forceful language when talking about our air assets. It seems to me that they are quite frightened of the possibility of air raids (and they have no AA). So tricking them into believing that we have a fleet of air force sounds very good to me. :devil:

Cpt. Tóth

Yep, good idea, and well executed in the forum --> if I wouldn't know better I would think that we have at least one Helicopter group and several air force section under command.

hint: next time better sign as general or let someone else do the post (regarding rebell answer)

[Pannonicus]

hint: next time better sign as general or let someone else do the post (regarding rebell answer)

I have already taken care of that. I am Lt.Gen. now, if you please forgive me! ;)
They look a little nervous anyway, all that political ******** talk... I am curious what they say about the more substantial questions.

Regards,
Lt.Gen. :nuts: Tóth
UN Force Commander

[Pannonicus]

DD, do we have any additional intel? Like simpatethic civilians grateful for the chocolate our soldiers gave them or so? ;)

[Double Deuce]

DD, do we have any additional intel? Like simpatethic civilians grateful for the chocolate our soldiers gave them or so? ;)
Not right at the start. Once the 1st turn is started and the 2 local forces start to materialize and occupy zones then events like that will begin to be added into the game.

[Pannonicus]

OK, then we keep handing out candies until then. :)