Launch titles comparison thus far

[hobomunch12]

I took all of IGNs reviews thus far for Wii and PS3 and averaged them. Remember it is IGN so take the info with a grain of salt.

Wii
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - 9.5
Madden NFL 07 - 8.5
Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz - 8.4
Rayman Raving Rabbids - 8.3
Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 - 8.3
Excite Truck - 8.0
Trauma Center: Second Opinion - 8.0
Call of Duty 3 - 7.7
Wii Sports - 7.5
Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam - 7.0
Red Steel - 6.0

Average - 7.9


PS3
Resistance: Fall of Man - 9.1
NHL 2K7 - 8.6
NBA 2K7 - 8.5
Madden NFL 07 - 8.3
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 - 8.3
Ridge Racer 7 - 8.2
Need for Speed Carbon - 7.9
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance - 7.9
Call of Duty 3 - 7.8
NBA '07 - 7.8
Tony Hawk's Project 8 - 7.0
Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom - 6.5
Genji: Days of the Blade - 6.0
Blast Factor - 5.9
Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire - 3.2

Average 7.4

Compared to previous systems I'd say the launch titles for both systems weren't too bad. Usually all but one or two launch titles are awful.

[ScorelessCoasts]

Gasp, madden 07 for wii beat the ps3 version, I guess new interactive gameplay is fun :P instead of siny graphics. Not bad tho for both consoles.

[hobomunch12]

Gasp, madden 07 for wii beat the ps3 version, I guess new interactive gameplay is fun :P instead of siny graphics. Not bad tho for both consoles.

Yeah, I noticed that as well. (I believe Dr. Winston posted a thread on it a while back). I've never been very into to sports games but after playing Wii Sports I'm willing to give Madden a try for Wii.

[ScorelessCoasts]

Yea me too :)

[Ewan]

Having zelda on a console makes it the best!!!:p jk, im surprised i thought PS3 would have done better

[DarkSora]

11 wii and 15 ps3 launch titles? (how many are there all together for both consoles? just wondering :p)

[hobomunch12]

11 wii and 15 ps3 launch titles? (how many are there all together for both consoles? just wondering :p)

Not sure but there are more....I'm just basing off of what IGN has reviewed so far which are most of the major titles

[ScorelessCoasts]

Ouch on Crossfire :/

Also the x360 version beat the ps3 version of CoD3 by 1 whole point XD

[Jim]

ouch! CoD3 got some bad reviews :(

[bradas]

Ouch on Crossfire :/

Also the x360 version beat the ps3 version of CoD3 by 1 whole point XD
GO 360!!!! WOOO!

[Jim]

I thought you sold your 360 Bradas :confused: i think CoD3 does look better on the 360 though

[ehandlr]

I believe in order to compare averages of averages you need the same number of possabilities to make it fair. Take the top 5 rated games for each system to average it.

That would make it:

Wii - 8.6%

PS3 - 8.56%

As far as the madden goes....EA botched it horribly. It was one of the worse renditions of the series. They spent alot of time on the Wii version pulling resources from the other versions. Thats why it sucked horribly.

Call of Duty was designed and developed for the 360 architecture. It was then later ported to the PS3. Hence its more shoddy graphics.

Its not that the PS3 can't...its the developer didn't. Motorstorm is proof enough that PS3's graphics and gameplay are far from shoddy.

[hobomunch12]

I believe in order to compare averages of averages you need the same number of possabilities to make it fair. Take the top 5 rated games for each system to average it.

Averages of averages? Nah, I was just getting an average of each systems scores from IGN. It's perfectly fair to not have an even amount of games as long as they are all averaged together. When people do averages they don't just take from the top sample....that would give a skewed result.

[ehandlr]

The more games you add..the lower the % will be regardless of what system or how good it is. At least in the video games scenario. AAA titles are few and far between in this world therefore leaving the majority of the games as average or less then. In general thought, more is always better. But when you put it into reviewed score percentage, more makes them worse. Thats why its skewed when one has more then another. Its a simple law of averages.

I'm willing to bet if the PS2 (arguably one of the best consoles of all time) and compared every game to say the Dreamcast. I bet the Dreamcast could beat it or come close to it in reviews. But that would be totally untrue to say the Dreamcast is greater then or equal to the PS2.

The more fair way would be to take the best of the best...and the worst of the worst and compare.

[Dr. Winston O'Boogie]

I always like gamerankings more for overall game scores. Here's the pages for the Wii (http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/default_wii/1031)and PS3 (http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/default_PS3/1028).

It's also worth noting that The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess is currently at #4 on their all time games list, only behind Ocarina of Time, Soul Caliber, and Metroid Prime.

[ehandlr]

Out of those games, I've only really played 2. I absolutely love Soul Calibur. One of my favorite games and is definetly my favorite fighting game....but no where near the best of all time. Same for Metroid Prime. Excellent game and a AAA title...not in the top 5.

[Dr. Winston O'Boogie]

Those rankings are just compiled by taking scores from all review sites and averaging them. Most of the games ranked are from 1995 onward, since before then there really wasn't any reviewing websites or publications.

[ScorelessCoasts]

As far as the madden goes....EA botched it horribly. It was one of the worse renditions of the series. They spent alot of time on the Wii version pulling resources from the other versions. Thats why it sucked horribly.

And why did they do that? Because they saw potential in the 'kiddie' system.

[ehandlr]

If your talking about EA..who the hell knows why they do alot of things...they are one of the most hate companies lol.

[ScorelessCoasts]

If your talking about EA..who the hell knows why they do alot of things...they are one of the most hate companies lol.

Yet there games sell. I dont get it XD

[chuloopa]

thats still an impressivle launch line up score for both systems. I'm very impressed indeed.

I stil remember that PSP and PS2 launch which only had a couple games that werre any shade of great.

[hobomunch12]

The more games you add..the lower the % will be regardless of what system or how good it is. At least in the video games scenario. AAA titles are few and far between in this world therefore leaving the majority of the games as average or less then. In general thought, more is always better. But when you put it into reviewed score percentage, more makes them worse. Thats why its skewed when one has more then another. Its a simple law of averages.

I'm willing to bet if the PS2 (arguably one of the best consoles of all time) and compared every game to say the Dreamcast. I bet the Dreamcast could beat it or come close to it in reviews. But that would be totally untrue to say the Dreamcast is greater then or equal to the PS2.

The more fair way would be to take the best of the best...and the worst of the worst and compare.

I'd say taking the best of the best and worst of the worst would give skewed results. When comparing launches where there are very few games it's perfectly reasonable to take all the games into account since I was reviewing the overall quality of the launch.

Let's use the PS2 and Gamecube for example.

According the GameStats the top 5 scores for each system are:
Gamecube - 9.7, 9.5, 9.4, 9.2, 9.2; PS2 - 9.5, 9.5, 9.4, 9.4, 9.4

Those average out to 9.4 for Gamecube and 9.44 for PS2. Would you agree that the consoles are practically equal in quality?

If you averaged all of the games for each system PS2 would have a much higher average since it has many more high quality games than does the Gamecube.

That's my logic at least.

[Jim]

In comparisome with the GC and PS2 games the Wii and PS3 have a lot to live up to in order to be better lol

[ehandlr]

In quality they are very close. In the top 5 they are very close. In system size and 3rd party support they are not. Now take every single review for every PS2 game and compare it to every single review fore every single Gamecube game. I bet you Gamecube has a higher percentage. PS2 does have more higher quality games...but it has a plethora of crappy ones. Do you think thats skewed?

This is true for almost all averages. More does not = better on averages. More hinders the %.

[hobomunch12]

In quality they are very close. In the top 5 they are very close. In system size and 3rd party support they are not. Now take every single review for every PS2 game and compare it to every single review fore every single Gamecube game. I bet you Gamecube has a higher percentage. PS2 does have more higher quality games...but it has a plethora of crappy ones. Do you think thats skewed?

This is true for almost all averages. More does not = better on averages. More hinders the %.

But when looking at the overall quality of a launch (or a system) are you saying those crappy games shouldn't be taken into account? And more does not always hinder percentages if those 'more' are better titles. If a launch has a ton of crappy games wouldn't that bring down the overall quality of the launch?

[ehandlr]

Sorry but you are absolutely dead on balls wrong when it comes to "comparing" averages. If you want the overall average score for a system...thats one thing and your method works. Comparing systems with a different number of titles is wrong and the numbers will always be skewed and incorrect.

If its not an equal playing field..then its not fair in the end. People don't want to know the % of every single game made..they want the % of the best games made if anything at all. The number of crappy games don't make a system worse..its the number of good games. However your math includes all of them.

[hobomunch12]

Sorry but you are absolutely dead on balls wrong when it comes to "comparing" averages. If you want the overall average score for a system...thats one thing and your method works. Comparing systems with a different number of titles is wrong and the numbers will always be skewed and incorrect.

If its not an equal playing field..then its not fair in the end. People don't want to know the % of every single game made..they want the % of the best games made if anything at all. The number of crappy games don't make a system worse..its the number of good games. However your math includes all of them.

Uh I would certainly say the number of crappy games makes a system worse. I was rather upset when half of the games I was looking forward to for Gamecube turned out to be crap.

For example my favorite games from the last gen were on Gamecube but I still think the PS2 is the better system because it had more games that interested me. By your logic I would think the Gamecube is the better system.....but I don't.

But either way I see no problem comparing all the games of a launch. It gives readers a better and more accurate understanding about how the system's first games were; whether a lot were crap or if the games were overall pretty good. Tell me what's wrong with that.

[Dr. Winston O'Boogie]

You can't really compare average scores of a system's games and expect that to tell you definitively which has the better games. That's not what an average is. All an average would tell you, is if you were to choose one game randomly, how good that game would likely be. It's good for measuring overall quality of the games, but that's not really how we determine system strength in video games.

But, when determining averages, it's always wrong to leave out any data, because then you skew the results and don't give an accurate result. Just because one set of data has more overall data doesn't mean you can't compare it to another set of data. We can compare two batting averages in baseball if one player has only had 500 at-bats and another has had 750. If we were to selectively chose specific at-bats, it wouldn't give an accurate average.

Just remember that 90% of statistics are made up. ;)

[ehandlr]

lol. Well by his math..its possible that a console can come out with one game and it be rated a 10 and that system's overall average would be higher then a console that came out with 1000 games all rated 10 and one extra game rated 9.9.

[hobomunch12]

lol. Well by his math..its possible that a console can come out with one game and it be rated a 10 and that system's overall average would be higher then a console that came out with 1000 games all rated 10 and one extra game rated 9.9.

Haha, I was rating the quality of the launch titles not the system.

[ehandlr]

You actually did both by posting them together whether it was on purpose or not. lol.