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Heinz57
12 Mar 04, 16:36
There are 4 Levels of Supports, from worst to best:

Internal Support: Freely cooperates only with units in SAME FORMATION. Limited Support is possible only with units of SAME BACKGROUND & SYMBOL colors No support to others.

Army Support: Freely cooperates with units in SAME FORMATION AND units with the SAME BACKGROUND & SYMBOL COLOR. Limited Support is possible with units of SAME BACKGROUND color. No support to others.

Force Support: Free cooperation with SAME FORMATION and BACKGROUND Color. Limited Cooperation with all others.

Free Support: Free cooperation with EVERYTHING.

The varying levels of Support (worst to best):

No Cooperation: No coordination in attacks. Defense is coordinated with penalties. Reserve and Combat Support will not respond to attacks. "Black Flag" in Attack Planning Dialogue.

Limited Cooperation: Units coordinate in attacks, but with penalties. Reserve units will respond to all attacks within range. Combat support will not respond. "Steel Colored Flag" in Attack Planning Dialogue.

Free Cooperation: Units coordinate in attacks, reserve responds to attacks, combat support responds, "Brass colored Flag". Nearby HQ's help with supply.

How to View:

Select any unit, right click and select "View Formation Report" -- will show support level, formation proficiency and supply distribution proficiency.

Other Notes:

In cases where have uncooperative units on opposite sides of an enemy, there is no penalty if you attack with ONE unit in one Tac Round to establish the "front" and attack with the other in the next Tac Round -- to hit the "rear."

It is generally a good practice to try to intersperse your Army and Force Support units in between formations with only Internal Support. Use the attack planning dialogue to resolve any questions -- maximize your brass and avoid black flags like the plague...and only sparingly engage in attacks where the front line units are showing a steel flag.

I don't know the extent to which the penalties apply to casualties, but it seems pretty clear that the penalties can take what would normally consume 20% of a turn and turn into 30+%.

Our air units are on Free Support, and I think also the Artillery Reinforcements from the TO (if not then Force Support which is still good).

BUT AND A BIG BUT IT IS>>>the same applies to enemy formations...and where you see units stacked with different colors -- odds are that they will suffer some penalties in their defense. Most are either minor allies or security forces...following the historical pattern.

Tiberius
12 Mar 04, 23:24
Is there any rule of thumb as to predicting cooperation? I'm not too sure how this works myself actually. In our DNO game I'm pretty sure I don't get black flags when attacking with different armies which are each set to internal support. Yes just confirmed it in game. Units of different formations each on internal support procuce only steel flags not black ones. Does it take units that are internal support with different colors? Units on force support with different symbol colors keep their brass flags with units on internal support.
Does each level of differnce in icon colors diminish the level of cooperation?

Heinz57
13 Mar 04, 01:14
Is there any rule of thumb as to predicting cooperation? I'm not too sure how this works myself actually. In our DNO game I'm pretty sure I don't get black flags when attacking with different armies which are each set to internal support. Yes just confirmed it in game. Units of different formations each on internal support procuce only steel flags not black ones. Does it take units that are internal support with different colors? Units on force support with different symbol colors keep their brass flags with units on internal support.
Does each level of differnce in icon colors diminish the level of cooperation?

On the last question, yes except for formations with Free Support. But even two units of two different Internal Support Formations of identical color will only have limited cooperation.

Re: Formations on Internal Support with units of different colors: I'm pretty sure, but may be mistaken, that all units within that formation still treat it as one of their own, but the different colored unit won't cooperate with other formations of the same color scheme as its native formation. This might apply to "Axis minor allies" subsumed within a predominantly German formation. The Axis have several of these.