Soviet OOB needed

[Palantir]

Hello,

Does anyone have or know where I can find an OOB for the Soviet 1st Ukranian Front 1944-45? :hmmm:

I'm needing from the "Top" down- Army-Corp-Divison-Reg.

Heck, as long as I'm asking... can a CM Santa provide a Soviet OOB & German OOB listing for the war or know where they are located? :D


I'm wasting way too much of my alloted "designing" time looking for them and end up finding nothing. It's really killing my Semi / Historical scenario design attempts at the tactical level. :(

Thanks!!!!

Palantir :cheeky:

[KG_Cloghaun]

It's an absolute crime that there is no Red Army OOB book currently in print to my knowledge. I've looked high and low. If you have a few specific questions though, I recommend you go to the "Equipment of the Allies" section of http://www.thirdreichforum.com/

or even better;

the "Allies against Germany" section at http://www.feldgrau.net/phpBB2/index.php

One of it's forum members is Michael Avanzini. he is associated with this site www.journalsovietarmy.org (it's a paid subscription site). He was very helpful.

Please let me know if you ever stumble upon a Red Army OOB.

I assume you already know about these;

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1853673935/qid=1072289474/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-8427321-2417666?v=glance&s=books

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1853673595/qid=1072290045/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/002-8427321-2417666?v=glance&s=books

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1580970583/qid=1072290045/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/002-8427321-2417666?v=glance&s=books

Happy Holidays

[John Osborne]

It's an absolute crime that there is no Red Army OOB book currently in print to my knowledge. I've looked high and low. If you have a few specific questions though, I recommend you go to the "Equipment of the Allies" section of http://www.thirdreichforum.com/

or even better;

the "Allies against Germany" section at http://www.feldgrau.net/phpBB2/index.php

One of it's forum members is Michael Avanzini. he is associated with this site www.journalsovietarmy.org (it's a paid subscription site). He was very helpful.

Please let me know if you ever stumble upon a Red Army OOB.

I assume you already know about these;

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1853673935/qid=1072289474/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-8427321-2417666?v=glance&s=books

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1853673595/qid=1072290045/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/002-8427321-2417666?v=glance&s=books

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1580970583/qid=1072290045/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/002-8427321-2417666?v=glance&s=books

Happy Holidays

You could try looking at "The Red Army Handbook 1939-1945" for that information. Which I have by the way :D

---John

[KG_Cloghaun]

I checked the book out at Amazon. It looks promising. Does it contain OOB's for specific forces.

For example, would I find the OOB for the 29th Tank Corps in 1944?

Thankyou

[John Osborne]

I checked the book out at Amazon. It looks promising. Does it contain OOB's for specific forces.

For example, would I find the OOB for the 29th Tank Corps in 1944?

Thankyou

The book is not broken down by particular Tank Corps, it has tables and charts of what a typical Tank Corps would have for equipment. Not by certain units.

If you want to know what Units were in the 29th Tank Corps. Take alook at the list I added.

29th Tank Corps

25th Tank Brigade
31st Tank Brigade
32nd Tank Brigade
53rd Motorised Rifle Brigade
1446th Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment
1549th Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment
108th AT-Regiment
271st Mortar Regiment
75th Mechanized Battalion
11th Guards Rocket Artillery Battalion



---John

[Palantir]

Hi John,

Where did you get that breakdown for the 29th Tank Corps?

BTW- Great stuff guys, maybe I won't have to make guesses on what units were fighting where now.

It's tough to make a tactical battle even "semi-historical" when all you have for info is "units of the 1st Ukranian Front were encountered..."

Unfortunately all those books are a good chunk of money for something you're just doing for fun...

Palantir

[John Osborne]

Hi John,

Where did you get that breakdown for the 29th Tank Corps?

BTW- Great stuff guys, maybe I won't have to make guesses on what units were fighting where now.

It's tough to make a tactical battle even "semi-historical" when all you have for info is "units of the 1st Ukranian Front were encountered..."

Unfortunately all those books are a good chunk of money for something you're just doing for fun...

Palantir

http://www.battlefield.ru/library/battles/

Let me know if you need any help with the German OOB.

---John

[KG_Cloghaun]

@ Palantir

I have the German OOB for Panzers and Artillery, which also covers all PzGr forces. The other 2 I'll be picking up in the near future.

If you have any specific questions, now or in the future, feel free to ask.

@ John

The Red Army Handbook will help me until a Russian OOB appears, thankyou John.

[John Osborne]

@ Palantir

I have the German OOB for Panzers and Artillery, which also covers all PzGr forces. The other 2 I'll be picking up in the near future.

If you have any specific questions, now or in the future, feel free to ask.

@ John

The Red Army Handbook will help me until a Russian OOB appears, thankyou John.

KG_Cloghaun, do you want me to send you the info I have from the Red Army Handbook? Plus I have alot of references materials on the German units (German OOB of Waffen SS and other units, German Infantry Handbook plus alot more). If you or Palantir need any help at all. Just send me an email.

---John

[KG_Cloghaun]

I'm covered on the German side of things. I may need help with the Russians though. I will keep you in mind as my Korsun project develops.

[John Osborne]

Hi John,

Unfortunately all those books are a good chunk of money for something you're just doing for fun...

Palantir

Alot of the books I have is because I'm a GM for the CMMC2 that is going on right now. I'm the GM for the 12.P.D.

---John

[John Osborne]

1st Ukranian Front:

27th Army:

47th Rifle Corps:
136th R Div
167th RD
359th RD
180th RD
206th RD
337th RD
54th Fortified Region
159th FR
298th Guards SP Artillery Rgt
713th SP AR
1892nd SP AR
881st AT AR
480th Mortar Rgt
492nd MR
329th Guards MR
25th Seperate Engineer Bn
38th Sep Eng Bn
21st Sep Eng Bn

40th Army:

50th Rifle Corps:
4th Guards Airborne Bgd
38th RD
240th RD
340th RD
51st Rifle Corps:
42nd Guards RD
163rd RD
232nd RD
104th Rifle Corps:
58th RD
74th RD
133rd RD
1898th SP AR
33rd Gun Artillery Bgd
111th Guards Howitzer AR
1528th How AR
28th AT Artillery Bgd
4th Guards AT AR
317th AT AR
680th AT Rgt
9th Mountain Mortar Rgt
10th MMR
493rd MR
9th AA Division
800th, 974th, 981st, 993rd AA Rgts.
14th Seperate Eng Bn
4th Sep Bridge Bn

6th Tank Army:

5th Mechanized Corps:
2nd Mech Bgd
9th MB
45th MB
233rd Tank Bgd
745th SP AR
1228th SP AR
1827th Heavy SP AR
64th Motorcyle Bn
458th MR
35th Guards Mortar Bn
1700th AA AR
5th Guards Tank Corps:
20th Guards Tank Bgd
21st GTB
22nd GTB
6th Guards Motorized Rifle Bgd
1416th SP AR
1458th SP AR
1462nd SP AR
80th Mc Bn
1667th AT AR
754th Seperate AT Bn
454th MR
1696th AA AR
156th Seperate Tank Rgt
181st Seperate Engineer Bn

I need to do some more research and will get back to you. It may be until Friday with the information.

---John

[laszlo.nemedi]

1st Ukranian Front:

27th Army:

47th Rifle Corps:
136th R Div
167th RD
359th RD
180th RD
206th RD
337th RD
54th Fortified Region
159th FR
298th Guards SP Artillery Rgt
713th SP AR
1892nd SP AR
881st AT AR
480th Mortar Rgt
492nd MR
329th Guards MR
25th Seperate Engineer Bn
38th Sep Eng Bn
21st Sep Eng Bn

40th Army:

50th Rifle Corps:
4th Guards Airborne Bgd
38th RD
240th RD
340th RD
51st Rifle Corps:
42nd Guards RD
163rd RD
232nd RD
104th Rifle Corps:
58th RD
74th RD
133rd RD
1898th SP AR
33rd Gun Artillery Bgd
111th Guards Howitzer AR
1528th How AR
28th AT Artillery Bgd
4th Guards AT AR
317th AT AR
680th AT Rgt
9th Mountain Mortar Rgt
10th MMR
493rd MR
9th AA Division
800th, 974th, 981st, 993rd AA Rgts.
14th Seperate Eng Bn
4th Sep Bridge Bn

6th Tank Army:

5th Mechanized Corps:
2nd Mech Bgd
9th MB
45th MB
233rd Tank Bgd
745th SP AR
1228th SP AR
1827th Heavy SP AR
64th Motorcyle Bn
458th MR
35th Guards Mortar Bn
1700th AA AR
5th Guards Tank Corps:
20th Guards Tank Bgd
21st GTB
22nd GTB
6th Guards Motorized Rifle Bgd
1416th SP AR
1458th SP AR
1462nd SP AR
80th Mc Bn
1667th AT AR
754th Seperate AT Bn
454th MR
1696th AA AR
156th Seperate Tank Rgt
181st Seperate Engineer Bn

I need to do some more research and will get back to you. It may be until Friday with the information.

---John

John,

where is it from and when is it from, because I have very different data e.g. dec 1944 (anyway 40th Army fought mostly (or exclusivly in Hungary in the 2nd Ukraine Front.)
My source is the Boevoy Sostav Sovietskoy Armii, which is a detailed OOB in every month 1941-1945)

Laszlo

[John Osborne]

where is it from and when is it from, because I have very different data e.g. dec 1944 (anyway 40th Army fought mostly (or exclusivly in Hungary in the 2nd Ukraine Front.)
My source is the Boevoy Sostav Sovietskoy Armii, which is a detailed OOB in every month 1941-1945)
Laszlo

I got the info from http://www.battlefield.ru/library/battles/oob/

This is what I got for the dated 1 Jan 1944 for the 2nd Ukraian Front:

4th Guards Army:

20th Guards Rifle Corps
5th Guards Airborne Division
66th Guards Rifle Division
375th Rifle Division
21st Guards Rifle Corps
69th Guards Rifle Division
138th Rifle Division
Support units
27th AA-Division
33rd AT-Brigade
452nd AT-Regiment
466th Mortar Regiment
48th Engineer Battalion

5th Guards Army:

32nd Guards Rifle Corps
6th Guards Airborne Division
95th Guards Rifle Division
97th Guards Rifle Division
110th Guards Rifle Division
214th Rifle Division
33rd Guards Rifle Corps
9th Guards Airborne Division
13rd Guards Rifle Division
111th Rifle Division
35th Guards Rifle Corps
93rd Guards Rifle Division
94th Guards Rifle Division
78th Rifle Division
84th Rifle Division

Support units:

57th Guards Tank Regiment
46th Lt Artillery Brigade (16th Artillery Division)
91st Hvy How Artillery Brigade (13rd Artillery Division)
29th AA-Division
11th AT-Brigade
34th AT-Brigade
8th Guards Mortar Brigade
27th Guards Rocket Artillery Brigade
265th Guards Cannon Artillery Regiment
1327th Cannon Artillery Regiment
301st AT-Regiment
444th AT-Regiment
469th Mortar Regiment
308th Guards Rocket Artillery Regiment
225th Guards AA-Regiment
256th Engineer Battalion
328th Engineer Battalion
431st Engineer Battalion

7th Guards Army:

24th Guards Rifle Corps
36th Guards Rifle Division
41st Guards Rifle Division
8th Guards Airborne Division
25th Guards Rifle Corps
72nd Guards Rifle Division
81st Guards Rifle Division
409th Rifle Division
303rd Rifle Division
Support units
27th Guards Tank Brigade
34th Arm Train Battalion
38th Arm Train Battalion
11th Artillery Division (45th Cannon Artillery Brigade, 40th How Artillery Brigade)
5th AA-Division
30th AT-Brigade
161st Guards Cannon Artillery Regiment
1110th Cannon Artillery Regiment
114th Guards AT-Regiment
115th Guards AT-Regiment
1661st AT-Regiment
1669th AT-Regiment
263rd Mortar Regiment
290th Mortar Regiment
97th Guards Rocket Artillery Regiment
302nd Guards Rocket Artillery Regiment
309th Guards Rocket Artillery Regiment
162nd Guards AA-Regiment
175th Engineer Battalion
329th Engineer Battalion

37th Army:

27th Guards Rifle Corps
48th Guards Rifle Division
58th Guards Rifle Division
57th Rifle Corps
15th Guards Rifle Division
29th Guards Rifle Division
228th Rifle Division
82nd Rifle Corps
28th Guards Rifle Division
188th Rifle Division
10th Guards Airborne Division
1st Guards Airborne Division
Support units
61st Arm Train Battalion
42nd Lt Artillery Brigade (13rd Artillery Division)
35th AA-Division
10th AT-Brigade
381st Cannon Artillery Regiment
324th AT-Regiment
1008th AT-Regiment
562nd Mortar Regiment
315th Guards Rocket Artillery Regiment
8th Engineer Brigade
112nd Engineer Battalion
116th Engineer Battalion

52nd Army:

73rd Rifle Corps
62nd Guards Rifle Division
7th Guards Airborne Division
78th Rifle Corps
254th Rifle Division
373rd Rifle Division
294th Rifle Division
Support units
173rd Tank Brigade
378th Tank Battalion
379th Tank Battalion
38th AA-Division
568th Cannon Artillery Regiment
438th AT-Regiment
1322nd AT-Regiment
490th Mortar Regiment
17th Guards Mortar Regiment
366th Engineer Battalion
32nd Ponton Battalion
40th Ponton Battalion

53rd Army:

48th Rifle Corps
14th Guards Rifle Division
252nd Rifle Division
299th Rifle Division
75th Rifle Corps
116th Rifle Division
213rd Rifle Division
233rd Rifle Division
Support units
34th Tank Regiment
16th Artillery Division (61st Cannon Artillery Brigade, 52nd Howitzer Artillery Brigade, 90th Heavy Howitzer Artillery Brigade, 14th Mortar Brigade)
31st Lt Artillery Brigade (11st Artillery Division)
30th AA-Division
6th AT-Brigade
1328th Cannon Artillery Regiment
232nd AT-Regiment
1316th AT-Regiment
461st Mortar Regiment
89th Guards Rocket Artillery Regiment
96th Guards Rocket Artillery Regiment
11th Engineer Battalion
17th Engineer Battalion

57th Army:

49th Rifle Corps
19th Rifle Division
223rd Rifle Division
64th Rifle Corps
73rd Guards Rifle Division
78th Guards Rifle Division
52nd Rifle Division
53rd Rifle Division
Support units
96th Tank Brigade
374th AT-Regiment
595th AT-Regiment
523rd Mortar Regiment
80th Guards Rocket Artillery Regiment
258th Guards AA-Regiment
71st AA-Regiment
227th AA-Battalion
251st Engineer Battalion
252nd Engineer Battalion

5th Guards Tank Army:

18th Tank Corps
110th Tank Brigade
170th Tank Brigade
181st Tank Brigade
32nd Motorised Rifle Brigade
1438th Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment
1543rd Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment
1000th AT-Regiment
292nd Mortar Regiment
1694th AA-Regiment
78th Motorcycle Battalion
736th AT-Battalion
106th Guards Rocket Artillery Battalion
29th Tank Corps
25th Tank Brigade
31st Tank Brigade
32nd Tank Brigade
53rd Motorised Rifle Brigade
1446th Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment
1549th Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment
108th AT-Regiment
271st Mortar Regiment
75th Mechanized Battalion
11th Guards Rocket Artillery Battalion
8th Mechanized Corps
66th Mechanized Brigade
67th Mechanized Brigade
68th Mechanized Brigade
116th Tank Brigade
69th Tank Regiment
69th Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment
1822nd Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment
114th AT-Regiment
615th Mortar Regiment
1716th AA-Regiment
97th Mechanized Battalion
395th AT-Battalion
205th Guards Rocket Artillery Battalion
Support units
53rd Guards Tank Regiment
1st Guards Mechanized Regiment
6th AA-Division
678th Cannon Artillery Regiment
689th AT-Regiment
76th Guards Rocket Artillery Regiment
377th Engineer Battalion

Front units:

26th Guards Rifle Corps
25th Guards Rifle Division
6th Rifle Division
31st Rifle Division
33rd Rifle Corps
50th Rifle Division
297th Rifle Division
5th Guards Mechanized Corps
24th Guards Tank Brigade
10th Guards Mechanized Brigade
11th Guards Mechanized Brigade
12nd Guards Mechanized Brigade
104th Guards SU Regiment
1447th Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment Regiment
1529th Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment Regiment
285th Mortar Regiment
2nd Guards Motorcycle Battalion
737th AT-Battalion
409th Guards Rocket Artillery Battalion
1st Mechanized Corps
19th Mechanized Brigade
35th Mechanized Brigade
37th Mechanized Brigade
219th Tank Brigade
75th AT-Regiment
294th Mortar Regiment
1382nd AA-Regiment
57th Motorcycle Battalion
751st AT-Battalion
41st Guards Rocket Artillery Battalion
7th Mech Corps
16th Mechanized Brigade
34th Mechanized Brigade
64th Mechanized Brigade
41st Guards Tank Brigade
1440th Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment Regiment
1821st Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment Regiment
109th AT-Regiment
614th Mortar Regiment
1713rd AA-Regiment
94th Motorcycle Battalion
392nd AT-Battalion
40th Guards Rocket Artillery Battalion
20th Tank Corps
8th Guards Tank Brigade
80th Tank Brigade
155th Tank Brigade
7th Guards Motorised Rifle Brigade
1834th Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment Regiment
1895th Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment Regiment
1505th AT-Regiment
291st Mortar Regiment
1711st AA-Regiment
69th Motorcycle Battalion
735th AT-Battalion
406th Guards Rocket Artillery Battalion
5th Guards Cavalry Corps
11th Guards Cavalry Division
12nd Guards Cavalry Division
63rd Cavalry Division
Support units
167th Tank Regiment
10th Arm Train Battalion
109th Super Hvy How Artillery Brigade (16th Artillery Division)
11th AA-Division
26th AA-Division
27th Cannon Artillery Brigade
1073rd AT-Regiment
303rd Guards Rocket Artillery Regiment
5th Engineer Brigade
60th Engineer Brigade
14th Ass Engineer Brigade
27th Engineer Brigade SN
1st Ponton Brigade
1st Ponton Regiment
8th Ponton Regiment
6th Ponton Battalion
7th Ponton Battalion
19th Ponton Battalion
125th Ponton Battalion
69th Engineer Battalion
246th Engineer Battalion
247th Engineer Battalion
248th Engineer Battalion
250th Engineer Battalion

I'm not saying I'm right, Hell, you probably got better sources then I do :nuts:

[laszlo.nemedi]

The battlefield.ru team seems to me a very good team, so I think using them is OK, the difference came from the different date (Dec and Jan).

[Palantir]

WOW!!

Thanks guys this will be invaluable to me in moving along and designing for BB. I'm also working on maps & scenaros for BO, and now comes along AK!

I see playing time shrinking as designing moves into high gear. :)

[John Osborne]

WOW!!

Thanks guys this will be invaluable to me in moving along and designing for BB. I'm also working on maps & scenaros for BO, and now comes along AK!

I see playing time shrinking as designing moves into high gear. :)

Well if you need any help with AK, just ask :D I have more info for the German side then I did for the Russians during CMBB. But now I'm moving on to CMAK and have info for both sides now :nuts:

---John

[SgtDuke6216]

Try this site,,I 've been using it for appx 3 years, Has a-lot of info, There are no specific unit names but it has a tremendous TO&E


http://www.toaw.co.uk/oobs.html


Good Luck

[SgtDuke6216]

It shows how really unbalanced the diffrent sides were. For instance A German Panzer Rgt had twice as many tanks and more medium armor than there Soviet compadres.... It really came down to tactics and leadership styles and commander personnalities......

[SgtDuke6216]

If you feel like spending some $ than go to http://www.orbat.com/

[SgtDuke6216]

or you could try this site

http://www.shef.ac.uk/mr-home/hobbies/OOB.html