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TacCovert4
08 Nov 06, 16:45
Since this battle is forthcoming, and the original thread is so long at this point, making a new thread for this battle seems necessary.
Battle 2 will be:
Benghazi, The Scrape for the Scarp!
Any other information about the battle itself will be revealed in the briefings.
Neilm85uk
09 Nov 06, 04:58
Since this battle is forthcoming, and the original thread is so long at this point, making a new thread for this battle seems necessary.
Battle 2 will be:
Benghazi, The Scrape for the Scarp!
Any other information about the battle itself will be revealed in the briefings.
I just want to publicly thanks you guys for running this. If battle 2 is half as good as battle 1 then it'll still be better than a great many scenarios I've played. Bravo! :smoke:
I agree with what Neilm85uk said. The round 1 battle was an excellent scenario and lots of fun. I learned a few things about the forces and their weapons too.:toast:
mangus2000
09 Nov 06, 06:48
Well round 2 should be alot trickier for both sides. I won't spoil the surprise but it should present some very tactical problems to the player.
Its been pretty hard to get the balance right but we're nearly there.
TacCovert4
09 Nov 06, 16:46
As far as battle 2 goes, expect it by Monday afternoon, or Wednesday at the latest.
If you are finished with Battle 1:
Send Mangus an email:
Dandanmangus@hotmail dot com
In it, state your forum name, who you fought, and the outcome.
This will aid us significantly in pairing the players up for battle 2.
Thank you
Daniel Hines
TacCovert4
As far as battle 2 goes, expect it by Monday afternoon, or Wednesday at the latest.
TacCovert4
Are you still going to make delivery of round 2 today?
What are the pairings going to be?
TacCovert4
17 Nov 06, 12:44
I'm posting this here and emailing it to Mangus:
If you are finished with Battle 1, make sure that you have emailed that to Mangus.
Mangus will be transmitting Battle 2 at his own discretion, but hopefully this weekend.
Thank you for your continued patience
Taccovert4
mangus2000
05 Dec 06, 17:59
Sorry for all the loooong delays, i know, i know:o
Anyway the next round will be out very very soon and we have made the match ups.
We based it on the victory level of your games and assigned points to them. We are basing the next round of matches on these points.
So the two top scorers will play each other and so on and so on.
The next round looks like this.
Match 2
Axis/Allies Axis/Allies
2054172 V antonius
Neilm85uk V The Hooded One
Victor Charlie V KGPanzerschrecK
JML V Bertram
BRO Sapper V Iron Mike USMC
Cherper V jdsu
As this is a Mirror match again (sorry) i have decided that for the set up turns i will send out the Axis turns first and when i have recieved them back from each opponent the Allied turns will be forwarded on to each player. Then play goes on as normal.
I think this makes sense? if it doesn't please tell me:laugh:
Neilm85uk
06 Dec 06, 05:03
So I send turn 1 to you, not to Andy? :confused:
Don't apologise for putting in loads of work to entertain us. We're quite prepared to wait. :)
mangus2000
06 Dec 06, 07:35
[QUOTE=Neilm85uk;798411]So I send turn 1 to you, not to Andy? :confused:
QUOTE]
Thats basically it! This will stop people from checking the OOB of the other side and setting up based on this infomation. Although i don't think it will matter too much in the next Scenario, you'll know what i mean when you see the map:devil:
KGPanzerschrecK
06 Dec 06, 22:57
It sounds like your up to no good Mangus....I like that, LOL. :toast:
mangus2000
07 Dec 06, 15:28
The turns have gone out!
If you do not receive PM me and i'll resend it!
PS: feel free to give feed back on the scenario, it would be most appreciated.
The turns have gone out!
If you do not receive PM me and i'll resend it!
PS: feel free to give feed back on the scenario, it would be most appreciated.
It should be ok if you weren't drinking:drink: :drink: :toast: :drink: :nuts: :smoke:
mangus2000
07 Dec 06, 18:12
It seems i made an error and sent out the wrong file.
Please ignore the previous email you all recieved!!!!!!!!
New file going out now!!!!
TacCovert4
07 Dec 06, 21:20
So much for a "competent" team of advisors, playtesters, and partners in this venture. :rolleyes:
So much for a "competent" team of advisors, playtesters, and partners in this venture. :rolleyes:
Made me think of this....
http://despair.com/in24x30prin.html
http://images.despair.com/products/demotivators/ineptitude.jpg
mangus2000
08 Dec 06, 03:32
:o :o :o :o :o
In know, I'm sorry!!!:cry:
Keep him away from the drink.:drink: :drink: :drink: :argh: :smoke:
File is back to you.
If the Allies are bristling with AT guns, could be trouble...........:devious:
mangus2000
08 Dec 06, 12:42
File is back to you.
If the Allies are bristling with AT guns, could be trouble...........:devious:
If you read up on your history you might find some clues!
TacCovert4
08 Dec 06, 13:55
Indeed Mangus is right. As I don't like revealing too much in the briefings, if you want to cheat and know something, look for it. Otherwise at the end of the tourney, I'll post up my resources, and key paragraphs thereof so you all can judge the tourney for playability and historicity.
The guys who have studied the military history will likely have an advantage but the challenge of the unknown is fun too.:cool:
Nice map guys, now that I'm setting up the Brits the challenge really begins!:devious:
mangus2000
09 Dec 06, 04:55
historicity.
Did you just make that word up?:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Now that i have done allied set up do i send it to Mangus or directly to my opponent?
JML, I'm nearly done with my allied setup. You can send it to me now. I will then return both files and we can continue sending them back and forth two at a time. Or you can wait until you receive mine and return two at a time to start.
I use a zip program to shrink the files as much as possible. Do you have a zip file program? I use 7-Zip which you can still download for free.
Does anyone know if any .ZIP file can be opened by any ZIP program? I would guess so.
TacCovert4
09 Dec 06, 16:41
On the zip files I believe so.
As for the setups, just to note, from playtesting: There are about 1400000000000000 different ways the brits can set up, and I haven't found that any one of them is particularly better than the other. It will all depend on how well you can read your opponent's opening moves, a true test in "Rommel" Leadership.
And on an admin note, Mangus, can you please swap the sticky from round one to this thread. Thanks.
TacCovert4
JML, I'm nearly done with my allied setup. You can send it to me now. I will then return both files and we can continue sending them back and forth two at a time. Or you can wait until you receive mine and return two at a time to start.
I use a zip program to shrink the files as much as possible. Do you have a zip file program? I use 7-Zip which you can still download for free.
Does anyone know if any .ZIP file can be opened by any ZIP program? I would guess so.
I have 7-zip so the zip files are fine. I'll need your email address so that i can send file to you as i am finished with my set up.
Bertram: jbfallon at oasisol dot com
mangus2000
10 Dec 06, 03:27
Still waiting for Neil, Hood and Shreck to get their files in!
mangus2000
10 Dec 06, 05:33
Just thought i would post the map for everyone not involved in the tourny so the can see the challenge facing both sides.
Iron Mike USMC
10 Dec 06, 13:49
Do I understand correctly, once all of the first turn setups are done, they get sent to you. Then, you will forward them to the opposition, who will then revert directly to their opponents?
mangus2000
10 Dec 06, 14:54
Do I understand correctly, once all of the first turn setups are done, they get sent to you. Then, you will forward them to the opposition, who will then revert directly to their opponents?
Thats the one!
TacCovert4
11 Dec 06, 23:52
just an attempt to prevent first round previewing.
Also, Mangus, where did you get the pinups?
KGPanzerschrecK
12 Dec 06, 00:23
Sorry bout the delay Mangus. My disease has reared its ugly head once again and i have spent the last few days in bed. I will get my setup out to you no later than tomorrow night. Once again im sorry for the delay.
KGPanzerschrecK
13 Dec 06, 03:19
File sent Mangus. Once again im sorry for the delay. :o
mangus2000
13 Dec 06, 07:28
File sent Mangus. Once again im sorry for the delay. :o
No problems Shreck, we will just deduct points for tardiness:laugh:
PS: hope you get well soon.
mangus2000
13 Dec 06, 07:29
just an attempt to prevent first round previewing.
Also, Mangus, where did you get the pinups?
Got them off CMMODS, i'll send them to you if you want?
TacCovert4
13 Dec 06, 10:40
No thanks, I have a difficult time playing as it is. More distractions would only make it harder.
Iron Mike USMC
16 Dec 06, 13:21
German set up and first moves plotted, and sent off. Just finished the British setup. I don;t know who has thetoughest assignment.
The Germans have a lot of open ground to cover, and few choices to exploit. There are several clear, and several not so clear, and several, dare I say, hidden approaches to scale the escarpment. I say hidden, even though all is open to the eye, because I think I found one or two 'paths' that may give armor enough clearance, with a manageable enough slope, to give the defenders cause for concern. We'll find out, I am sure.
The British forces have a difficult choice. They need to determine if their opponent will make an all out attack, or a broad approach, probing for weaknesses, then massing for a push. What to do with sparse forces.
They also need to decide whether to be up front, where they can see the German approach, and be seen, and reachable at long distance from the German armor, or, lay back and wait for the Germans to funnel trhough the few navigable draws. Both can get you burned.
We have certainly been given a tough nut to crack with this one. Wot!?
Iron Mike USMC
18 Dec 06, 19:38
There is something missing from the British defences: empty emplacements.
If the Brits were there for awhile, and a number left for other assignments, they would have left empty foxholes, and gun emplacements.
Having these, would allow the weakened defenders to move from cover to cover, as the situation develops. They may even have had some out on the promontories, though they are past the set up lines. Which would make sense, since the defence needed to straighten its lines, due to the smaller number of available forces.
Food for thought.
There is something missing from the British defences: empty emplacements.
If the Brits were there for awhile, and a number left for other assignments, they would have left empty foxholes, and gun emplacements.
Having these, would allow the weakened defenders to move from cover to cover, as the situation develops. They may even have had some out on the promontories, though they are past the set up lines. Which would make sense, since the defence needed to straighten its lines, due to the smaller number of available forces.
Food for thought.
That The british commander did his job you know how pompous they were.;) :smoke:
There is something missing from the British defences: empty emplacements.
If the Brits were there for awhile, and a number left for other assignments, they would have left empty foxholes, and gun emplacements.
Having these, would allow the weakened defenders to move from cover to cover, as the situation develops. They may even have had some out on the promontories, though they are past the set up lines. Which would make sense, since the defence needed to straighten its lines, due to the smaller number of available forces.
Food for thought.But we were provided with quite a few extra foxholes to place in the setup phase. I can't remember how many but I think it was over 20. The problem with them though is that they can easily aid the Germans if not positioned wisely.
Iron Mike USMC
19 Dec 06, 07:09
But we were provided with quite a few extra foxholes to place in the setup phase. I can't remember how many but I think it was over 20. The problem with them though is that they can easily aid the Germans if not positioned wisely.
Rally? Could have sworn I toggled the foxhole key for placement, and didn't get it to function.
Rally? Could have sworn I toggled the foxhole key for placement, and didn't get it to function.
you toggle alot of things;) and they still don't function...hay slacker where is my turn.:laugh: :laugh: :smoke:
mangus2000
19 Dec 06, 12:07
There were fallback positions available for the Brits to utilise Mike, don't know what happened with your set up. It was the same file as everyone else:confused:
Iron Mike USMC
19 Dec 06, 18:41
you toggle alot of things;) and they still don't function...hay slacker where is my turn.:laugh: :laugh: :smoke:
Toggle THIS, chief! :shock:
Iron Mike USMC
19 Dec 06, 18:42
There were fallback positions available for the Brits to utilise Mike, don't know what happened with your set up. It was the same file as everyone else:confused:
Probably me then. Argh! :clown:
TacCovert4
20 Dec 06, 10:43
IM,
Although there were backup foxholes for the Brits, actually empty posts was an oversight of mine. One that I will take care to remember for the next battles that involve depleted forces, whether by attrition or by reassignment.
The Hooded One
21 Dec 06, 07:35
Bollocks! I completely forgot to put in any fall back foxholes!! :mad: :surprise: :eek: :nervous:
(I hope Neil doesn't read this!)
Neilm85uk
21 Dec 06, 10:33
Bollocks! I completely forgot to put in any fall back foxholes!! :mad: :surprise: :eek: :nervous:
(I hope Neil doesn't read this!)
Read what!
The Hooded One
22 Dec 06, 06:37
Read what!
Doh!:upset: :surprise: :eek: :shock:
mangus2000
22 Dec 06, 12:20
Maybe i should have put that bit of info in the email to everyone.
Well i'll know better than to trust you lot to read the Params next time:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Iron Mike USMC
22 Dec 06, 18:04
Turns out I used the wrong key command. Tried CTRL+ and SHIFT+F instead of ALT+F. :mad:
mangus2000
31 Dec 06, 07:51
Any news on how it's going?
Both fighting their way up the left side of the plateau. :OHNO: :smoke:
The Hooded One
31 Dec 06, 10:18
Thought I was doing well until this turn - lost 4 tanks, three of them to Neil's 25pdr! :eek: :surprise: :cry: :shock: :argh:
Iron Mike USMC
31 Dec 06, 10:55
With me as the British, BROSapper is attacking my right flank. So far, it looks like I have taken out one of his PzIIIs, not sure about anything else, though I did a get a lot of hits on his armor. He has reacheded the base of the escarpment and beginning his climb.
As the Germans, I am just now reaching the base of the escarpment. I tried to pound what I could see early, with the only confirmed kill--a carrier.
Bert as German: I attacked the right side up the big canyon with no preparation of possible defenses. This brought out all his guns. He has taken out about 1/2 my tanks and is down to about 1 gun. I've sent some other vehicles in the back door so now we'll get down to business on top of the plateau.
JML as German: He used smoke and some prepatory mortar to advance his forces to the same right canyon. I have held back my guns until his tanks are closer. Most of his tanks are still at the bottom of the canyon and one is progressing 1/2 way to the top.
We are both at turn 11 or so.
Two very different approaches on Defense and Offense, should be interesting the rest of the way.
mangus2000
31 Dec 06, 13:39
Sounds like things are going pretty much as planned:devil: :devil: :devil:
TacCovert4
04 Jan 07, 13:44
Just to update you all, round three is out to the playtesters.
There will be lots of adjustments made, but I can assure you that neither side will have easy going on this one. No to mention that you will have to rely on the intel briefings because round three will be
NOT MIRRORED!
Have a nice day,
TacCovert4
Thanks for all your hard work TC & Mangus!:)
Now back to kicking both of your butts!:devious:
Iron Mike USMC
06 Jan 07, 14:19
We are far enough into the scenarios to ask this: Who is approaching from the left, the center, and/or the right?
My opponent, and from what I can tell most other players are approaching the British line from the German left.
We are far enough into the scenarios to ask this: Who is approaching from the left, the center, and/or the right?
My opponent, and from what I can tell most other players are approaching the British line from the German left.
Me and Bertram are approching from German right and with Italians from the German left.
mangus2000
06 Jan 07, 15:13
Funny because i had the most success in playtests on the right hand side of the map. I found there was less LOS for the Brits for the advance up the hill(if i remember correctly)
TacCovert4
06 Jan 07, 15:24
yep,
however, mangus, the right side of the map has better cover and concealment for the Brit armor and AT guns so moving in on the left gives your armor more survivability on the top of the scarp.
mangus2000
06 Jan 07, 15:46
yep,
however, mangus, the right side of the map has better cover and concealment for the Brit armor and AT guns so moving in on the left gives your armor more survivability on the top of the scarp.
Thinking about it, i had set the Brits quite far back for my right attack, hoping to get them when they crested.
Iron Mike USMC
06 Jan 07, 17:23
Me and Bertram are approching from German right and with Italians from the German left.
Italians?!
Those must be the trucks and tankettes? I spotted. Damn!
Iron Mike USMC
06 Jan 07, 17:25
Funny because i had the most success in playtests on the right hand side of the map. I found there was less LOS for the Brits for the advance up the hill(if i remember correctly)
That's what I discovered in prepping my setup. However, hopefull, I am not giving too much away, there are a few blind spots for ambushes of the German armor, should they not be covered by infantry.
Iron Mike USMC
06 Jan 07, 17:26
Thinking about it, i had set the Brits quite far back for my right attack, hoping to get them when they crested.
Mixed setup. Troops at the top ends of the draws, plus a few other places for cross firing. Also, troops set back to catch the Germans as they crested.
Iron Mike USMC
06 Jan 07, 17:33
Funny because i had the most success in playtests on the right hand side of the map. I found there was less LOS for the Brits for the advance up the hill(if i remember correctly)
As the German, I have been fortunate, in that I have not lost any armor yet, and I am about 1/3 to 1/2 way up the two draws, just to the left of the far right extension of the escarpment.
I am thinking he was expecting me to approach from the far left, as he did, or he is drawing me into point blank fire. :eek:
Escarpment
_ _ _ __________________ _______|
| | | Far (German) right of map
German Advance /\ |____| |
/||\ |
|| |
mangus2000
06 Jan 07, 17:40
Italians?!
Those must be the trucks and tankettes? I spotted. Damn!
There is a damned lot of troops for the Brits to contend with, thats why we were so reticent about making it not mirrored, we wanted to keep the game as close to the real action as poss. If you read up about it the Brits (can't remember who the commander was, Auchinlek or some one) did not think anyone could attack the Heights and get away with it, Rommel told them different:smoke:
mangus2000
06 Jan 07, 17:41
As the German, I have been fortunate, in that I have not lost any armor yet, and I am about 1/3 to 1/2 way up the two draws, just to the left of the far right extension of the escarpment.
I am thinking he was expecting me to approach from the far left, as he did, or he is drawing me into point blank fire. :eek:
Escarpment
_ _ _ __________________ _______|
| | | Far (German) right of map
German Advance /\ |____| |
/||\ |
|| |
Sounds like you pulled a nice one to me mate! the left did look more inviting from the Axis side of the map!
Iron Mike USMC
06 Jan 07, 17:45
Sounds like you pulled a nice one to me mate! the left did look more inviting from the Axis side of the map!
I fixed the code, it looks better now.
Iron Mike USMC
06 Jan 07, 17:46
Sounds like you pulled a nice one to me mate! the left did look more inviting from the Axis side of the map!
As anyone who has played me can contend, I do not do things the 'easy' way. :clown:
Iron Mike USMC
06 Jan 07, 17:47
There is a damned lot of troops for the Brits to contend with, thats why we were so reticent about making it not mirrored, we wanted to keep the game as close to the real action as poss. If you read up about it the Brits (can't remember who the commander was, Auchinlek or some one) did not think anyone could attack the Heights and get away with it, Rommel told them different:smoke:
Such was the source of Rommel's success. He didn't think like anyone else.
mangus2000
06 Jan 07, 18:16
Such was the source of Rommel's success. He didn't think like anyone else.
Shame he wasn't on the right side eh!:laugh:
KGPanzerschrecK
06 Jan 07, 20:42
After careful study of the German possibilities, the obvious choice would be to attack the right flank, German perspective, because of the the four VL's near that side and above mentioned cover. That is the reason i chose to attack the far left flank. I belived he would have the lions share of his forces set up to gaurd that side. So far it looks like my worthy opponent, Victor Charlie, did indeed set up on that side. That is if all the dust trails heading over to the left side of the map mean anything.
BTW, and i say this with all due respect and no insult intended, in the future i would appreciate it if no one would give out info about reinforcements in threads like this one. VC & my games have not seen any reinforcements yet and now we know whats comming. It spoils the fun of not knowing whats comming and takes away from our enjoyment of the game IMHO. Thank you.
The Hooded One
07 Jan 07, 06:43
BTW, and i say this with all due respect and no insult intended, in the future i would appreciate it if no one would give out info about reinforcements in threads like this one. VC & my games have not seen any reinforcements yet and now we know whats comming. It spoils the fun of not knowing whats comming and takes away from our enjoyment of the game IMHO. Thank you.
Yeah, I agree...I'm not that far into the game and also had no idea there were reinforcements...
After careful study of the German possibilities, the obvious choice would be to attack the right flank, German perspective, because of the the four VL's near that side and above mentioned cover. That is the reason i chose to attack the far left flank. I belived he would have the lions share of his forces set up to gaurd that side. So far it looks like my worthy opponent, Victor Charlie, did indeed set up on that side. That is if all the dust trails heading over to the left side of the map mean anything.
BTW, and i say this with all due respect and no insult intended, in the future i would appreciate it if no one would give out info about reinforcements in threads like this one. VC & my games have not seen any reinforcements yet and now we know whats comming. It spoils the fun of not knowing whats comming and takes away from our enjoyment of the game IMHO. Thank you.
Yeah, I agree...I'm not that far into the game and also had no idea there were reinforcements...
Then perhaps you should have paid more attention to briefing where it was said that you recieve Italian reinforcemets.
mangus2000
07 Jan 07, 07:14
As Mike made a bit of a slip up i thought i'd just ask everyone to keep quite, zipped, shtum etc:hush: about reinforcemnts in the games.
Hopefully this minor over sight will not ruin your enjoyment of the games your playing.
If it does send your complaints to me and i will file them all appropriately ;)
The Hooded One
07 Jan 07, 07:37
Then perhaps you should have paid more attention to briefing where it was said that you recieve Italian reinforcemets.
Reading briefings is for losers....:laugh: :lier: :clown: :eek: :smoke:
As Mike made a bit of a slip up i thought i'd just ask everyone to keep quite, zipped, shtum etc:hush: about reinforcemnts in the games.
Hopefully this minor over sight will not ruin your enjoyment of the games your playing.
If it does send your complaints to me and i will file them all appropriately ;)
YOur making him angry.:angry: ...Mangus put on your helmut before you end up in the hospital again.:thumup: :hurt: :whlchr: :nervous: :smoke:
Iron Mike USMC
07 Jan 07, 09:06
As Mike made a bit of a slip up i thought i'd just ask everyone to keep quite, zipped, shtum etc:hush: about reinforcemnts in the games.
Hopefully this minor over sight will not ruin your enjoyment of the games your playing.
If it does send your complaints to me and i will file them all appropriately ;)
Actually, JML slipped. I was responding to his comment on reinforcements.
However, that being said, message received.
mangus2000
07 Jan 07, 09:16
My apologies Mike:o
Actually, JML slipped. I was responding to his comment on reinforcements.
However, that being said, message received.
Actually there was not slipping since it was clearly stated in the briefing that Germans recieve Italian reinforcemets. And that was all i said. I did not say composition of Italian reinforcements, when they arrive or where they arrive. I did not know that people do not read briefings in order to avoid spoilers ;)
Iron Mike USMC
07 Jan 07, 09:46
My apologies Mike:o
None needed.
Iron Mike USMC
07 Jan 07, 09:48
Actually there was not slipping since it was clearly stated in the briefing that Germans recieve Italian reinforcemets. And that was all i said. I did not say composition of Italian reinforcements, when they arrive or where they arrive. I did not know that people do not read briefings in order to avoid spoilers ;)
No problem. You're right. Reading and remembering are two different things. I knew the cavalry was coming, but I didn't get that the settlers were going to join in. ;)
KGPanzerschrecK
08 Jan 07, 00:22
Then perhaps you should have paid more attention to briefing where it was said that you recieve Italian reinforcemets.
When i READ the briefing and got to the section on reinforcements i stopped reading, knowing i was getting reinforcements was enough for me. Obviously it isnt for most players and thats fine too, but the point of fact still remains, you shouldnt be giving away game info in thread where you cant possibly know where each pair of players are at in each particular game and likewise you shouldnt automaticly assume im foolish because i play my games differently than yours. :shock:
.......likewise you shouldnt automaticly assume im foolish because i play my games differently than yours. :shock:
Yah, I told you that putting your right big toe in your left ear would not help your play.;) :smoke:
When i READ the briefing and got to the section on reinforcements i stopped reading, knowing i was getting reinforcements was enough for me. Obviously it isnt for most players and thats fine too, but the point of fact still remains, you shouldnt be giving away game info in thread where you cant possibly know where each pair of players are at in each particular game and likewise you shouldnt automaticly assume im foolish because i play my games differently than yours. :shock:I dont know why you are giving me hard time for saying something that is in briefing. How the hell should i know that you don't read briefings. Perhaps in future you should either avoid threads like this or post warning that you don't read briefings.
TacCovert4
08 Jan 07, 11:39
Since I wrote the briefings, I guess I should respond.
When I write in a reinforcement schedule of any sort to a briefing for a scenario, it is because I want to open up a specific possibility for a specific side, or give some historical intel. In this battle, I hoped to allow the Germans to be a bit more aggressive by letting them know that something was coming (don't remember the words off hand, but I can easily remember the troops). I in no way tried to give the German commander any more of a heads up than he would have had in North Afrika. In the next set of briefings (Already done, will be modded to match the situation after playbalancing is complete) I also have a particular reason for my reinforcment portion of the communique. I will not say it at this time. I am sorry that some of you feel that putting reinforcements into the briefings is ahistorical or lessens the experience, but I can assure you that as the briefing editor for TtT I DO NOT GIVE ANY AHISTORICAL REINFORCEMENT SCHEDULES, like some of the stock scenarios do. I want you to plan your battle based on a type of reinforcement (infantry, armor, mech, air, etc.) which is what a real commander would do, not planning based on the pros and cons of a specific unit (like 2 Tigers as opposed to a Stug and an IV).
Tac
TacCovert4
08 Jan 07, 11:42
Thought I'd put this in a separate post.
The British General Neame was the one that stated to General Wavell that the Scarp near Benghazi was inpenetrable. He based this on a single test where a command car got stuck.
Lets not get our proverbial underware in a knot. The written word does not give note that someone is pissed off or sad or happy unless stated:curse:. I know most of you guys through games etc. and you all care a fair bit about the game and different aspects of it. You all care about each other to, so lets all have a group hug.:love: Don't throw fits:hissyfit: because someone may do things differently lets take that out on the battle fields.:rifle: :ar15:
The designers of this tourney are just warming up and learning new things. I must say have done a bang up job of this for sure ...I am impressed it is like all the books I have read have come to life and I get to lead the troops.:joy: So thank you Mangus and TacCovert for doing this and any others that are involved that I have missed.:thumup: :clap: :smoke:
KGPanzerschrecK
09 Jan 07, 00:45
@JML, I never said i was pissed or mad at you. And when i made my original comment, you'll notice the phrase "I say this with all due respect and no insult intended" was inserted into the first sentence. I also never said i didnt read briefings. I can see now that i cant get you to see my point so im done trying. This conversation for me is done.
@TacCovert4, I have enjoyed your efforts and work so far in this tourney. I dont care what you put in your briefings, its your scenario and your work, you can put anything you like in it and you dont owe anyone an explanation why you did so as far as im concerned. I dont have and never have had a problem with your or anyone elses briefings in any tourneys i have ever been in here. If you got the idea that i did by any comments i made here, I apologize, that wasnt my intent.
@205..., My foot hasnt seen the side of my head since i was in high school and i dare say it never will again, lol.
For what it's worth I think these TtT scenarios so far have been superb. I'm really enjoying the second one and feeling fully immersed in the situation. It's every bit as fascinating and challenging as the briefing suggested it would be.:thumup:
TacCovert4
10 Jan 07, 13:15
I can assure you all that if you enjoy the second scenario, you will absolutely love the third. Mangus has done a bang up job with the maps, and is even now redrawing some portions of it based on the force mixxes for the battle.
Battle 3 will be christened:
TOBRUK: THE SPEAR AND THE SHIELD
This battle will again, be non-mirrored, so none but the designers and our shadow partners will have a clue of what is going on for all sides. I will tell this without spoiling it though. A German detachment will be tasked with a offensive strike of key importance, semihistorically simulating an actual operation on the Tobruk front. For the Aussies, well, you get to defend, and it will be ugly. That's about it without spoiling it.
The Hooded One
11 Jan 07, 04:14
...so lets all have a group hug.:love:
:kotz: I think I'll give your strange northern rituals a miss, thanks :laugh:
The Hooded One
11 Jan 07, 04:16
So thank you Mangus and TacCovert for doing this and any others that are involved that I have missed.:thumup: :clap: :smoke:
I second that! The scenarios have been excellent....good job, guys! :thumup: :hail: :)
mangus2000
17 Jan 07, 14:53
Any reports from the Scarp?
Antonious and I have both reached the top with some armour, A few losses of armour and men...nothing to big yet. Playing Antonious has been weird to say the least....our defence set up is almost mirrored:nuts: We are fairly alike in thinking I surmise. Though I think I egdge him out a bit LOL:laugh: :bite: :smoke:
mangus2000
17 Jan 07, 15:46
Antonious and I have both reached the top with some armour, A few losses of armour and men...nothing to big yet. Playing Antonious has been weird to say the least....our defence set up is almost mirrored:nuts: We are fairly alike in thinking I surmise. Though I think I egdge him out a bit LOL:laugh: :bite: :smoke:
Both at the top for few loses you say? Hmmmm that doesn't sound right. You should have paid in blood to get that far:confused:
Both at the top for few loses you say? Hmmmm that doesn't sound right. You should have paid in blood to get that far:confused:
It is the poor designer's issue eh?;) :smoke:
Iron Mike USMC
17 Jan 07, 22:46
As the Germans, I didn't lose any vehicles until I started the climb. None to direct fire. They were either RAF damage and kills, or arty direct hits.
As soon as I ascended the last crest I lost my first tank to AT.
My Italian lead elements are at least half way up, with no opposition yet. I am attacking in three places.
As the British, I was able to take out a couple of tanks at long range, and most of his HTs, and now some trucks (I think). He has crested the rise, and appears to be sending all his units into a narrow channel.
KGPanzerschrecK
18 Jan 07, 00:04
Both Victor Charlie and i went with a rearward defense. Both sides are at the top of the scarpe making preparations for a push over the top. I however dropped a boatload of Arty on his forward assembly area {as he did on mine} and i also managed to nail two PzIV's that dared to stick their beaks up over the edge of the crest. Other than that both games have pretty much been a chess match so far.
Neilm85uk
18 Jan 07, 04:29
Andy and I are gathering our forces to go over the top. Andy seems to have gone with a defence around the flags so I've seen nothing but dust clouds. 1 HT is dead to AT rifle fire.
With me on defence I think Andy has lost four tanks during the approach. He is now pushing up both flanks while has reinforcements move up.
Antonious and I have both reached the top with some armour, A few losses of armour and men...nothing to big yet. Playing Antonious has been weird to say the least....our defence set up is almost mirrored:nuts: We are fairly alike in thinking I surmise. Though I think I egdge him out a bit LOL:laugh: :bite: :smoke:We'll see. We'll see...:bandit:
Actually my first objective was to not get wiped out in the first few turns and then have 25+ turns of groping around in the dust with a few shattered survivors. So I've at least achieved that and am still in the fight.:vsign:
We'll see. We'll see...:bandit:
Actually my first objective was to not get wiped out in the first few turns and then have 25+ turns of groping around in the dust with a few shattered survivors. So I've at least achieved that and am still in the fight.:vsign:
That is what my men are worried about is their groping . :scream: we heard about you guys and your weird spas and such.:eek: :nada: :smoke:
JML and I just finished our TtT2 battles. The allies won in both games, me 64%-35% and JML 65%-35%. Very close to the same! We had totally different defensive tactics. It will be interesting for me to hear how someone wins with the axis. JML set his guns up close to the front and beat the crap out of me even before I started the climb. One by one, turn by turn he destroyed my German forces and I finished with only 3 live tanks, one with no main gun. My defense on the other hand placed all the guns to the rear. He had all his tanks until the final 7 or 8 moves then lost all but 1 tank by the end in a flurry of kills.
KGPanzerschrecK
04 Feb 07, 01:52
Victor Charlie and My games are both comming down to the wire. As stated before we both went with a rearward defense. Both games are close but i have been on the recieving end of some of the best luck i have ever had in my gaming life. The greatest of which was a Madman of a Hurricane pilot who single handedly stopped his entire German assault force at the crest of the scarpe, and devestaded it, for about 5 turns, LOL. In my German game the luck came in the form of absolutely unbeliveable accurate on map Mortar gunnery. I took out his guns with just a handful of shells each. While in his game as the Germans my guns have stood up to withering fire. I wont soon have another game with the likes of the luck i had in this one and ill be saving these movies for posterity.
mangus2000
04 Feb 07, 07:59
Glad to hear everyones been enjoying it.
When i first looked at that Scarpe as the Axis and a shiver went down my spine, though i did find it easier to win as them.
KGPanzerschrecK
09 Feb 07, 12:51
Bad news Mangus & Tac. With only a handful of turns to go i recieved an E-Mail from VC telling me he had to go away until the middle of March and he wont have any CM access. You'll have to wait til then for our results. :eek:
mangus2000
09 Feb 07, 13:17
Big fat hairy knackers:mad:
I don't think we can wait that long for you to finish.
What was the likely result?
I'll try and fix up a replacement for you in Rnd3.
Will have to think of something to do with the scores though:confused:
mangus2000
09 Feb 07, 13:28
Well on second thoughts lets not rush into things.
Still playtesting Rnd3 at the mo, so we will see the likely release date and take it from there.
After all i am the top dog!:bite: :bite: :smoke:
BRO Sapper
09 Feb 07, 21:35
After all i am the top dog!:bite: :bite: :smoke:
There you go again, crowing about quality over quantity! :laugh:
There you go again, crowing about quality over quantity! :laugh:
If you don't crow," no one will crow for you".;) :smoke:
BRO Sapper
10 Feb 07, 00:47
Just wanted to report that the first game is done with Iron Mike. I won my attack with a minor victory. :vsign:
mangus2000
10 Feb 07, 05:30
Just to warn everyone, there is a slight problem with the points being issued by the ladder.
I am working on rectifying the problem as we speak.
KGPanzerschrecK
10 Feb 07, 06:19
If it is at all possible, id like to wait until VC gets back to finish our games. While we are almost done with both games, both of us are in the process of attacking each other and who knows what could happen. I am in better shape than he is in both games, but anything can happen.
mangus2000
10 Feb 07, 06:23
We'll try to accommadate you Kent, but no promises i'm afraid!
If the worse comes to the worst you can always pick the game outside the Tourny.
BRO Sapper
11 Feb 07, 01:04
Well, last game done with Iron Mike. I won a minor victory as the allies, just barely holding on against his relentless advance!
Where are we in relation to ROUND 3?:devious:
KGPanzerschrecK
22 Feb 07, 23:43
Where are we in relation to ROUND 3?:devious:
:ciao: Hi Bertram! Hows it goin? :bounce: :headbang: :nuts:
Are you battling on the ladder lately? How's the House of KG doing?:)
KGPanzerschrecK
23 Feb 07, 11:24
Are you battling on the ladder lately?
Other than the tourney games im in, no. Im swamped with KG stuff. No time for anymore games. :freak:
Hows the house of KG doing?
I just got back from a joint meeting of the heads of KG and the Skull & Bones society, the Trilateral Commision & the Free Masons and our plans are set for the upcomming year. Muhahahaha. :devious: :hush: :surprise: :eek: :shock:
TacCovert4
27 Feb 07, 19:43
On round three. Me and Mangus brought in some guys from the Proving grounds to help us with the design. We're finishing up our playtest of it right now, and I can tell you that a slugging match mentality will get you killed. Theres a couple of late game things that me and mangus need to get to before we commission this one, but I figure a couple of weeks max.
This battle, being non mirrored, is a lot harder to design/build, especially since the battles are getting more and more complicated.
I'm actually already doing round 4's groundwork, as it will be a monster for my design skills.
KGPanzerschrecK
27 Feb 07, 20:19
On round three. Me and Mangus brought in some guys from the Proving grounds to help us with the design. We're finishing up our playtest of it right now, and I can tell you that a slugging match mentality will get you killed. Theres a couple of late game things that me and mangus need to get to before we commission this one, but I figure a couple of weeks max.
This battle, being non mirrored, is a lot harder to design/build, especially since the battles are getting more and more complicated.
I'm actually already doing round 4's groundwork, as it will be a monster for my design skills.
Thanks to you and your crew for your time and effort.
Neilm85uk
28 Feb 07, 04:24
On round three. Me and Mangus brought in some guys from the Proving grounds to help us with the design. We're finishing up our playtest of it right now, and I can tell you that a slugging match mentality will get you killed. Theres a couple of late game things that me and mangus need to get to before we commission this one, but I figure a couple of weeks max.
This battle, being non mirrored, is a lot harder to design/build, especially since the battles are getting more and more complicated.
I'm actually already doing round 4's groundwork, as it will be a monster for my design skills.
I can't wait. Thanks for all your efforts. :)
On round three. Me and Mangus brought in some guys from the Proving grounds to help us with the design. We're finishing up our playtest of it right now, and I can tell you that a slugging match mentality will get you killed. Theres a couple of late game things that me and mangus need to get to before we commission this one, but I figure a couple of weeks max.
This battle, being non mirrored, is a lot harder to design/build, especially since the battles are getting more and more complicated.
I'm actually already doing round 4's groundwork, as it will be a monster for my design skills.I'm looking forward to this too. I really appreciate all the work that is going into these scenarios. The first two have been excellent!:thumup:
The Hooded One
28 Feb 07, 06:04
I can't wait.
We haven't even finished Round 2 yet, so you'll have to bloody well wait :laugh: :laugh: :clown: :smoke: :nuts:
Neilm85uk
28 Feb 07, 07:45
We haven't even finished Round 2 yet, so you'll have to bloody well wait :laugh: :laugh: :clown: :smoke: :nuts:
I know and I'm on holiday next week in Marrakesh so no turns then!
The Hooded One
28 Feb 07, 07:57
....and I'm going away on holiday for two weeks on Sunday... :eek: :surprise:
mangus2000
28 Feb 07, 14:24
It might work out well all these holidays.
We are still playtesting and KGpzrShrk and VC still have to finish there game as VC is away till mid March and they wanted to finish the game.
So could all be good!
Neilm85uk
01 Mar 07, 04:36
....and I'm going away on holiday for two weeks on Sunday... :eek: :surprise:
I've only got one other game on. What shall I do with all this free time, or more likely, what will the missus demand I do with all this free time? :surprise:
mangus2000
01 Mar 07, 07:34
I sure Wayne can fit another 6 or so games, he only has 129 going at the moment:laugh:
TacCovert4
01 Mar 07, 16:49
I sure Wayne can fit another 6 or so games, he only has 129 going at the moment:laugh:
yep his goal is 2054172 simultaneous games. Help him reach it!:devious: :laugh:
mangus2000
01 Mar 07, 17:01
I have just got the Ladder points sorted for Rnd2 and re-input all the games.
So everyone who won should go up a place or two:laugh:
Anything that is wrong PM me and i'll sort it out.
I sure Wayne can fit another 6 or so games, he only has 129 going at the moment:laugh:
yep his goal is 2054172 simultaneous games. Help him reach it!:devious: :laugh:
Ah so you found out my plan.:OHNO:
Neil it seems that the guys are slowing down that I am playing at present9 maybe I am burning them out):bite: ...i could fit you in for a small one....Can't say i will let you win though.;) :smoke:
TacCovert4
01 Mar 07, 18:17
Yeah Wayne, you should be able to fit Neil in my spot. That playtest we were working on is going to have to die. I'm working with Dan to get Rd3 finished ASAP, and just got done with the first of many drafts of the round 4 map. It's kind of big, 2100x1600 meters and will have thousands of points of gear before its done. I will run our other game to conclusion, despite the fact that I'm probably going to lose. You earn the win, you get the win......
For those who are curious about round 4, it will be part of a 2 part Battleaxe operation. Whatever side you are on for round 4, you will be on it again for round 5. At least if I can remember to keep it that way.:halo:
Neilm85uk
02 Mar 07, 07:21
Ah so you found out my plan.:OHNO:
Neil it seems that the guys are slowing down that I am playing at present9 maybe I am burning them out):bite: ...i could fit you in for a small one....Can't say i will let you win though.;) :smoke:
As you know matey I have been close to that myself so I'm not going to pick up any more games for the time being and just enjoy a little rest. Don't worry, I'll give you another victory soon enough. ;)
As you know matey I have been close to that myself so I'm not going to pick up any more games for the time being and just enjoy a little rest. Don't worry, I'll give you another victory soon enough. ;)
Your a good opponent and I will always be there for you.:smoke:
KGPanzerschrecK
08 Mar 07, 03:02
Victor Charlie is back and we are back at it! Only 6 more turns left. Hopefully we can be finished in a week or so. :headbang: :thumup: :bounce: :vsign:
Schreckster, you and VC winding it up?
Anybody else still battling #2?
How's the work coming on TtoT3?????
Neilm85uk
19 Mar 07, 05:32
Andy and I are in the mid-twenties turn wise as we've both been on holiday. We should finish by or at the weekend-ish.
N.
The Hooded One
19 Mar 07, 05:43
Andy and I are in the mid-twenties...
That's right - I'm 26, and have been for the last 14 years :clown: :laugh: :laugh: :nuts: :smoke:
TacCovert4
19 Mar 07, 11:03
Round three, our first non-mirrored round!, has been long in coming. Working with several different shadow partners, me and mangus have been working out the kinks, which have been many. Right now the whole scenario is hinging on a couple of changes I'm trying out. Once these are worked out (within the week hopefully) I'll do a final check of the combatants for round 2 and get round three going.
As I am shortly deploying to support OIF, I'm also working on round 4 simultaneously. Round three should be a lot of fun as it is a combination of mobile warfare and MOUT (Military operations on urban terrain). Round four will be one of two classic field battles between large forces.
Iron Mike USMC
19 Mar 07, 11:58
That's right - I'm 26, and have been for the last 14 years :clown: :laugh: :laugh: :nuts: :smoke:
Well, I am 18, and have been for 31 years. :whlchr:
KGPanzerschrecK
19 Mar 07, 13:36
Schreckster, you and VC winding it up?
Anybody else still battling #2?
How's the work coming on TtoT3?????
3 turns left in both games. Its comming down to crunch time! :bite:
KGPanzerschrecK
21 Mar 07, 01:20
VC and I are done with our games. I got a Major Victory with the British and suffered a Minor Loss with Germans. That Minor Loss was a tough pill to swallow. I had smashed his left flank and rolled it up and i thought i had 4 VLs sewn up. As it turned out the PC lied to me about who had control {he had some infantry hidden that i didnt see nearby 2 VLs} and i only ended up in control of 1 of them, ouchy! :eek: :rolleyes:
VC was a great opponent and had me biting my fingernails to the bone at several points in both games. I had a blast playing him and i look forward to seeing him again across no mans land!
Neilm85uk
21 Mar 07, 05:32
Just me and Andy then. As I said shoiuld be complete at the weekend.
Toodlepip.
N
Neilm85uk
26 Mar 07, 07:58
Just me and Andy then. As I said shoiuld be complete at the weekend.
Toodlepip.
N
We're still playing :upset: two or three turns to go...mid-week finish hopefully.
Neilm85uk
30 Mar 07, 04:22
Andy won a minor victory attacking my Brits, second result should hopefully be sorted tonight.
N.
Andy won a minor victory attacking my Brits, second result should hopefully be sorted tonight.
N.
I have the reult with axis minor and you winning?:smoke:
The Hooded One
30 Mar 07, 07:29
I have the reult with axis minor and you winning?:smoke:
No, sir, 'tis posted correctly - a minor victory for my Germans :halo: :bandrum: :laugh: :laugh:
No, sir, 'tis posted correctly - a minor victory for my Germans :halo: :bandrum: :laugh: :laugh:
Can you send the last file with pass word! :o Thanks Andy:smoke:
The Hooded One
31 Mar 07, 08:05
Can you send the last file with pass word! :o Thanks Andy:smoke:
Files and passwords have been sent, sir! :salute:
The Hooded One
31 Mar 07, 08:06
OK, Neil and I are done! Sorry about being so slow, guys...:hail: :laugh: :laugh:
Let Round 3 commence!
TacCovert4
04 Apr 07, 13:26
Round Three will start on Monday, April 9th.
I have to get some information from Mangus on the standings from round one, and get the portions of round 2 that he accepted so I can get the standings in order.
Round 3 will be non mirrored, and will cover a portion of the Siege of Tobruk.
Tac
KGPanzerschrecK
04 Apr 07, 15:34
Round Three will start on Monday, April 9th.
I have to get some information from Mangus on the standings from round one, and get the portions of round 2 that he accepted so I can get the standings in order.
Round 3 will be non mirrored, and will cover a portion of the Siege of Tobruk.
Tac
I cant remember, and im also curious, do people get eliminated in this tournament or does everyone get to play on til the end? Thanks.
TacCovert4
04 Apr 07, 16:12
I cant remember, and im also curious, do people get eliminated in this tournament or does everyone get to play on til the end? Thanks.
You play till the end.
Prizes will be awarded for 1st and 2nd, and an honorable mention to the low ranked or newbie player that has the best overall performance. Which is why getting the round 1 and 2 info from Mangus is so important. Otherwise, I have to organize the data all over again.
mangus2000
05 Apr 07, 09:16
All the info you should need is in the Torny page. I was giving 6 Points for a Major victory, 5 for tac vic etc.
Any more help needed just ask:D
TacCovert4
13 Apr 07, 11:10
Guys,
rechecking the tourney page to get the matchups for round 3, I found that jdsu and Cherper hadn't turned in their scores. I'm going to give them till Tuesday, April 17th to turn them in.
JDSU AND CHERPER, PLEASE SEND ONE OF THE FINAL FILES TO taccovert4 at gmail dot com.
Otherwise, you'll end up fighting each other again in round 3, b/c everybody else is done.
And once again (you get tired of me saying this) I apologize for the waits. School is wrapping up, and for me it means that essay after essay is due, which has pretty well killed all my gaming until the end of the semester. I'll get this thing out Tuesday or Wednesday evening, and then probably disappear under a stack of paperwork until the semester is finished.
Guys,
And once again (you get tired of me saying this) I apologize for the waits. School is wrapping up, and for me it means that essay after essay is due, which has pretty well killed all my gaming until the end of the semester. I'll get this thing out Tuesday or Wednesday evening, and then probably disappear under a stack of paperwork until the semester is finished.
For signing up for the 8 years plan in High School.:laugh: ;) :smoke:
Tac,
This is the first time I have sent a file to anyone after the game. I will have to see if I still have the files, doubtful though. The game was reported to the ladder just like my other games in the tournament. Isaac may still have the files, but the game ended clear back in the second week of January.
Iron Mike USMC
30 Apr 07, 18:13
Where do we stand now? Are we done with round 2?
TacCovert4
02 May 07, 18:49
Round 2 is done with. I emailed with Cherper, and never heard from jdsu, but it seems that these two players have had to drop out of the tourney, leaving us with 10.
The Top Five players overall,
Hooded One
2054172
KGPanzershreck
Antonius
JML,
have been sent the round 3 setup and the email of their opponent. Expect to hear from them shortly. I randomly picked opponents for them based upon who they had and hadn't played yet, using the tried and true quarter flip method.
This battle will be non-mirrored, so there will be only 5 games. This means that a stunning victory can drastically change the landscape of the tournament. The highest ranked player has 19, and the lowest has 8, with most scores falling in the 14-11 range, so anything can still happen.
I regret that I will be leaving you guys soon for active duty training then Iraq, and will be turning over the operations of the tournament to an as yet to be determined entity. Rest assured however, that rounds 4 and five will be fought. Round four's map is already complete, and only awaits forces and balancing.
Looking it over and it will be off to my opponent soon. :smoke:
KGPanzerschrecK
02 May 07, 23:52
I was out of town for two days and i just got the mail tonight. I'll look it over and mail my opponent and let him know whats what ASAP. ;)
Iron Mike USMC
03 May 07, 22:18
...I regret that I will be leaving you guys soon for active duty training then Iraq, ...
Godspeed :salute:
The Hooded One
06 May 07, 00:56
I regret that I will be leaving you guys soon for active duty training then Iraq, and will be turning over the operations of the tournament to an as yet to be determined entity. Rest assured however, that rounds 4 and five will be fought. Round four's map is already complete, and only awaits forces and balancing.
Thanks very much for your hard work and effort in running this tournament, and the best of luck for the future, sir! :salute:
The Hooded One
06 May 07, 01:01
Sorry, I've been away for a few days, so I've only just got the file....I'll get working on it immediately!
Iron Mike USMC
07 May 07, 18:38
I'm confused. :confused:
I am in my first sanctioned tournmanets, and am seeing two different methods to score the games. In one, the games appear to be scored based upon pecentager points, doled in the victory screens. However, this tournament appears to be scored on a different scale. What is the scale? :crosseye:
mangus2000
20 Jun 07, 07:22
I was (before i left) scoring it as 6 for a Major Vic, 5 for Tac Vic, 4 Minor etc. Can't remember why i did it this way, i think i was trying to find out how the other tournys were scored and it took to long so chose this method.
Sorry if you don't like it but best i could come up with at the time!
Iron Mike USMC
20 Jun 07, 22:36
I was (before i left) scoring it as 6 for a Major Vic, 5 for Tac Vic, 4 Minor etc. Can't remember why i did it this way, i think i was trying to find out how the other tournys were scored and it took to long so chose this method.
Sorry if you don't like it but best i could come up with at the time!
I have no problem with it. I just want to make sure I do it right.
Thanks :smoke:
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