Announcing: Tripolitania To Tobruk CMAK Tourney

[TacCovert4]

Afrika Korpsmen and Desert Rats:

I come to you today to announce the Tripolitania to Tobruk CMAK Tournament.

This tournament will follow the time period from February 1941 until May 1941, fighting the key engagements in Rommel's initial push across the desert. From Benghazi to the Stalemate at Tobruk, to the Tiger Cubs and Battleaxe, this tournament is for anyone who wants to fight in the desert.

The Tournament will be 5 battles long, and will be heavily influenced by the statistics and forces in my library on Rommel's early campaigns.

We (Mangus and I) will take the first 10 pairs (20 players) as the primary contestants. As this tourney is victory by ending points, we will be accepting alternates after the first 20. Or alternates if we have an odd number of players less than 20.

Thank you,

Daniel Hines

Taccovert4

[2054172]

Tell that slacker Mangus to pick up the pace, Don't do all the work and let him claim the fame.:p :smoke:

[Iron Mike USMC]

I'm in. When do you plan to start?

[2054172]

:D I'm in. When do you plan to start?

Where are your turns slacker. Hopefully you do better then in chess.:laugh::D :D :laugh: :bite: :devious: :nuts: :cheeky: :shock: :nervous: :shy:

[Iron Mike USMC]

:D

Where are your turns slacker. Hopefully you do better then in chess.:laugh::D :laugh: :bite: :devious: :nuts: :cheeky: :shock: :nervous: :shy:

Look in your mailbox. :p 0630 this morning.

Is that your posse? I didn't know the circus was in town.

[2054172]

:( Look in your mailbox. :p 0630 this morning.

Is that your posse? I didn't know the circus was in town.


Back to you before you wet the bed this morning, little man.:p :angry: :freak: :mad: :blab: :( :D :cool: :upset: :rolleyes:

[The Hooded One]

Sign me up for the tourney, sir! :salute:

[2054172]

Sign me up for the tourney, sir! :salute:
This is going to be a cake walk.:laugh: :D

[The Hooded One]

This is going to be a cake walk.:laugh: :D

Mangus2000 is playing? Great! :clown: :D :laugh: :smoke: :p

[Colonel Talvela]

Sign me up. Are the pairs opponents or teammates?

[jdsu]

Desert warfare. I've never played one in the open desert.

The terrain has never appealed to me.

Have played a couple in semi-arable terrain (ie mixed oasis or small hills).

Nows a good reason to get immersed.

Sign me up.

[Neilm85uk]

Reporting for duty. Against all the laws of good sense I'd like to volunteer for this action!

[antonius]

I'd like to be part of this if being a newbie doesn't upset the balance. I like the desert battles.

[mangus2000]

I hate desert maps too. They are a pain in a$$, you have to get right down to ground level to see all the tiny folds in the ground and the moment your men put their heads up BLAM in the head:mad: :mad:

[2054172]

I never understand them:hmmm: ..... I guess living in a country with water everywhere :drink: and winter that seems to be around for six months of the year:clap: .....This could be understandable.;) :smoke:

[TacCovert4]

Unfortunately, neither Mangus nor Myself is eligible for the tourney. We'll probably content ourselves to beating the snot out of each other for beta testing and bragging rights.

The current players are:

Neilm85uk
antonius
jdsu
Colonel Talvela
The Hooded One
2054172 (Mr. Numberz)
Iron Mike USMC

That's 7. 13 More slots availible.

To answer the other questions: The 20 players will be paired off each game to a different player.

This is an individual action tourney, no teams. (Maybe for the next one if this goes alright)

Newbies are welcome as well as top players. I and Mangus will endeavor both to give a challenging match to all, and a chance for new players to take on some of the old hats.

The first pairings will be based on ladder ranks. All other pairings will be based on the performance during the last battle. So you ambitious new guys: Here's your chance to show your stuff, the better you do, the higher ranked players you play.

[TacCovert4]

I'm in. When do you plan to start?


Also,

We plan to start within 1.5 weeks, depending on participation.

[KGPanzerschrecK]

Is it a team play tourney or individual? If it is individual im in. :cool:

Also, do the games count towards the ladder? Thanks for answering my questions.

[TacCovert4]

Is it a team play tourney or individual? If it is individual im in. :cool:

Individual.

Also, do the games count towards the ladder? Thanks for answering my questions.

The games will count towards the ladder, though exactly how I'm leaving up to Palantir, our "great guru of the ladders":laugh: . We'll have ladder policy worked out before the first round gets started.

With that addition, we now have 8. 12 more availible.

Current Roster:

Neilm85uk
antonius
jdsu
Colonel Talvela
The Hooded One
2054172 (Mr. Numberz)
Iron Mike USMC
KG_Panzershreck

[Cherper]

I am signed up in the Seeing the Elephant tourney. If this isn't a problem, I am willing to give it a go. I am a newbie so be gentle.

[Cherper]

Doh!!!! Double posted.

[2054172]

why not 2054172 that's a good number.;)

[Iron Mike USMC]

:(


Back to you before you wet the bed this morning, little man.:p :angry: :freak: :mad: :blab: :( :D :cool: :upset: :rolleyes:

I re-sent the file. :nuts:

[2054172]

I re-sent the file. :nuts:

:o :o :o I had it all along:o :o :o Now it's back to you :o :o :o

[Iron Mike USMC]

:o :o :o I had it all along:o :o :o Now it's back to you :o :o :o

You're a tease! ;)

[The Hooded One]

why not 2054172 that's a good number.;)
It's a crap number, and you still haven't told us what it stands for, although I suspect it's your membership number for the Justin Timberlake fanclub :clown: :D :laugh: :smoke: :p

[2054172]

It's a crap number, and you still haven't told us what it stands for, although I suspect it's your membership number for the Justin Timberlake fanclub

you need a hood with a mug like that, and the whipping I'm giving you in the desert:laugh: :laugh: :p :laugh: I remember the desert last time who won that......:hmmm: yah me and your going to be in this tourney along with all the other wantabes......I am going to have fun eating you guys up.:yummy: :popc1: :supper: :yummy: :yummy: :smoke:

[The Hooded One]

...and the whipping I'm giving you in the desert... Hmm...you can't beat the smell of roasted PzIV :smoke: :D :p

[Gen Schmaeter]

Reporting as requested, sign me up for this one

[TacCovert4]

Current Roster:

Neilm85uk
antonius
jdsu
Colonel Talvela
The Hooded One
2054172 (Mr. Numberz)
Iron Mike USMC
KG_Panzershreck
Cherper
Gen. Schmaeter

10 players up. 10 more left.

[TacCovert4]

Also, to confirm ladder awards, after talking with Palantir:

Ladder points will be awarded per battle on the outcome of the battle.

Overall Winners 1 & 2 will recieve 100 & 50 EXTRA ladder points, respectively.

Overall Winners 1, 2, and Honorable Mention (A Newbie making a brilliant showing of himself) will recieve ladder medals.

[TacCovert4]

We still have 10 more slots availible!

Final preparations of the Prologue scenario have been completed.

Work on the armored clashes of later battles has begun.

All Heck breaks loose on Friday!:ar15:

[TacCovert4]

Current 1st Round pairings (pairings by W-L-D ratios on ladder, not by ladder rank)

Address any questions to Daniel Hines at dehengineer2003 at Yahoo dot Com dot au


Neilm85uk 5-6-4 Vs. Iron Mike USMC 14-22-6

jdsu 4-0-1 Vs. The Hooded One 19-12-8

2054172 (Mr. Numberz) 21-45-22 Vs. Cherper 3-6-1

KG_Panzershreck Vs. Colonel Talvela 3-1-0

Gen. Schmaeter 0-0-0 Vs. antonius 0-0-0

[BRO Sapper]

I'll give it a go as well. Please sign me up.

[TacCovert4]

11 spots taken, 9 more to go.

Current 1st Round pairings (pairings by W-L-D ratios on ladder, not by ladder rank)

Address any questions to Daniel Hines at dehengineer2003 at Yahoo dot Com dot au


Neilm85uk 5-6-4 Vs. Iron Mike USMC 14-22-6

jdsu 4-0-1 Vs. The Hooded One 19-12-8

2054172 (Mr. Numberz) 21-45-22 Vs. Cherper 3-6-1

KG_Panzershreck Vs. Colonel Talvela 3-1-0

Gen. Schmaeter 0-0-0 Vs. antonius 0-0-0

Bro Sapper 6-2-2 Vs. (Open Spot)

And Sapper, If, for some unforseen reason, no one signs up to oppose you, you'll be paired up in one of the other groups, or maybe I can con palantir to actually play in a tourney for once. :devious:

[TacCovert4]

Also, could everyone in the tourney send an e-mail titled CMAK tourney to:

dehengineer2003 [at] yahoo [dot] com [dot] au

so I can get the address book for the tourney ready to go!

[KGPanzerschrecK]

A heads up for all in the tourney. I need all my game turns in Zip files please, thanks. Yahoo, for me at least, has a tendancy to run the word docs into the text of the email so its easier to just Zip them up.

[TacCovert4]

Interesting,

I've never had a problem with it before, but I'll definitely keep it in mind.

[KGPanzerschrecK]

Email sent. :)

[antonius]

Email sent...

[2054172]

hope your all ready?:p :smoke:

[Iron Mike USMC]

Email sent

[Cherper]

2054172 (Mr. Numberz) 21-45-22 Vs. Cherper 3-6-1

Not sure where the 3-6-1 rating came from as I haven't played a game of Combat Mission by e-mail yet. Definitely no ladder games. I am on the Panzer Campaign ladder though.

Cherper

[TacCovert4]

It might have accidentally been garnered from that ladder. oooops. It doesn't matter that much anyway as after the prologue pairings will be based on tourney performance, not ladder standings.

And to give a bit of a clue as to some of the setups for the tourney, i mean scenarios, just be prepared to use tactics and equipment that is out of the normal range for what I commonly refer to as: Mass Warfare Tank Fighting.

That is all.

[2054172]

Not sure where the 3-6-1 rating came from as I haven't played a game of Combat Mission by e-mail yet. Definitely no ladder games. I am on the Panzer Campaign ladder though.

Cherper

It's only Mr. Numbers he's a low life and near the bottom of the ladder. Nothing to worry about.;) :smoke:

[Victor Charlie]

Sounds good, sign me up to thanks.

[TacCovert4]

12 spots taken, 8 more to go.

Current 1st Round pairings (pairings by W-L-D ratios on ladder, not by ladder rank)

Address any questions to Daniel Hines at dehengineer2003 at Yahoo dot Com dot au


Neilm85uk 5-6-4 Vs. Iron Mike USMC 14-22-6

jdsu 4-0-1 Vs. The Hooded One 19-12-8

2054172 (Mr. Numberz) 21-45-22 Vs. Cherper 3-6-1

KG_Panzershreck Vs. Colonel Talvela 3-1-0

Gen. Schmaeter 0-0-0 Vs. antonius 0-0-0

Bro Sapper 6-2-2 Vs. Victor Charlie 30-13-6

Also, I'll be getting the first files out tomorrow, along with a mass list of every participant's current e-mail address. The only thing left undone on the scenario is to alter the briefings to reflect the new force compositions.

So if anyone else wants to play, send me an email before, say 1400 tomorrow, and I'll put you in somewhere. Otherwise you'll be an alternate. Thanks for your understanding.

Daniel Hines

[Bertram]

RL is settling back down into a dull roar and I'm ready for more.:devious:

[mangus2000]

Hope you all enjoy the Tourny, I'm backing 2054172 to win:nuts: :nuts: :nuts:

[2054172]

Hope you all enjoy the Tourny, I'm backing 2054172 to win:nuts: :nuts: :nuts:

where is my turn slacker?:p :smoke:

[TacCovert4]

He's busy with the force composition for Battle 2.

Mangus, I'll get you the map for #2 after I get battle 1 started.

[Bertram]

Did I make the deadline?

[KGPanzerschrecK]

Did I make the deadline?

I hope so. I want some revenge! :freak: :angry: :mad: :blab:

[mixmaster]

I'll join if there are still any openings left.

Thanks,
Mixmaster

[Gen Schmaeter]

Have the files been sent out already? If they were, I didn't receive any, but my Spam filter has been known to gobble up CM files . . .

[TacCovert4]

No,

Unfortunately Life has gotten in the way of "Life" yet again, and I was unable to transmit the necessary data this weekend. Which is not altogether a bad thing considering the two later arrivals. Tommorrow is the drop dead time for getting the tourney started, and so I'll be sending the files then.

[Bertram]

I don't think I've seen this place this quiet before. Everybody on holiday? It's a week until fall begins, maybe everyone is getting in their last outside evening hours in while they can.:cool:

[Iron Mike USMC]

Just waiting...waiting...

[2054172]

It is slow to say the least. Except for this new guy Lunatik he is eating CMAK up. If you guys are looking for games give him a ring.:smoke:

[TacCovert4]

Family Calling,

Friends Calling,

Drill.

If the connection here was better, I'd upload all the files right now, but it sucks, so If you all will bear with me, I'll get the games started on Monday, when I'll be somewhere with high speed internet. I have the battle sitting in my pocket right now, on my flash drive, so as soon as I return to a friendlier internet connection, I WILL get this tourney started.

Thank you for your patience,

Daniel Hines

Taccovert4

[antonius]

No problem. I'm sure it'll be worth waiting for and lots of fun. Thanks for all your efforts sir.:toast:

[TacCovert4]

I seem to have lost a couple of addresses.

If the Hooded one, col. talvela, jdsu, and victor charlie could resend an email to dehengineer2003 at yahoo dot com dot au, I'll get your battles started ASAP.

Mixmaster, If you want to be in this round, send an email to the same address as soon as possible, and I can get you in.

Thank you for your patience,

Daniel Hines

[Iron Mike USMC]

I may be dense, but I cannot find where it is indicated who is playing which side, and who does the initial set up.

[The Hooded One]

I seem to have lost a couple of addresses.

If the Hooded one, col. talvela, jdsu, and victor charlie could resend an email to dehengineer2003 at yahoo dot com dot au, I'll get your battles started ASAP.

Mixmaster, If you want to be in this round, send an email to the same address as soon as possible, and I can get you in.

Thank you for your patience,

Daniel Hines

Sent! :salute:

[Iron Mike USMC]

Never mind. It became clear when I opened the file.

I have sent my first file to Neil.

Now, where did I leave my helmet netting?

[KGPanzerschrecK]

I have a few questions. Are these paired games with each person playing both sides at the same time? If not, who is which side and who sets up and who goes first ect.? Thanks.

[Iron Mike USMC]

My invite indicated who I should send the file to.

I opened the scenario, and it automatically made me the Italians.

I set up my forces, and sent the file to my opponent.

I cannot respond to whether this is a matched series. I will find out if my opponent sends me a file different than the one I sent him.

[TacCovert4]

To answer all the questions:

The Tournament is mirrored, that way any errors in force composition or starting postition to one side or the other do not affect the outcome of a round.

Both competitors were sent the exact same email, requesting that they open the file, start a turn, and send it to the other player.

The scenario is tournament saved with Axis as the default starting player, so when anybody opens the file to start a game, they will be the Italians in this case. As it is tourney saved, you cannot open the scenario in the editor. At the end of each round, I will make the original files availible if requested, or I will post them to the appropriate location.

This is the smallest scenario concieved for the tourney. If you think it is too small to make you think, don't worry, It is my intention to make every battle progressively larger, so starting small gave me ample elbow room for development.

[KGPanzerschrecK]

All i got was a game file and no instructions. I didnt want to look at the game without knowing who was who. Thanks for the clearing up. :smoke:

[antonius]

TacCovert4,
Ok, it's perfectly clear now. It's a nice looking scenario. Thanks for all the work in putting it together.

[Neilm85uk]

Never mind. It became clear when I opened the file.

I have sent my first file to Neil.

Now, where did I leave my helmet netting?


You've got netting. Where's the smilie for envy? Turn will be back to you tonight (GMT)

[2054172]

You've got netting. Where's the smilie for envy? Turn will be back to you tonight (GMT)

At least he returns your files.;) :smoke:

[Neilm85uk]

At least he returns your files.;) :smoke:

I have been a bit slow of late. Back to full speed at the end of the week:coolban: :banana: :vegguitar: :redapple: :broccoli: :hurray: :hurray:

[Iron Mike USMC]

Can you update the first post of the thread with the curent parings, and any other pertinent info on the toruney? It would be a lot easier to see where we are by looking at the first post, rather than searching the entire hread.

Much appreciated.

Cheers:salute:

[KGPanzerschrecK]

Bertram and I are off and running. :smoke:

[Victor Charlie]

I seem to have lost a couple of addresses.

If the Hooded one, col. talvela, jdsu, and victor charlie could resend an email to dehengineer2003 at yahoo dot com dot au, I'll get your battles started ASAP.

Mixmaster, If you want to be in this round, send an email to the same address as soon as possible, and I can get you in.

Thank you for your patience,

Daniel Hines

Dan

Did you get that email?

[Neilm85uk]

Ed and I are properly underway!

[TacCovert4]

Dan

Did you get that email?


I did VC, but I'm having a little trouble getting emails from at least one of the others. Neither jdsu or mixmaster has responded, and without at least one more player, you're kind of the odd man out. I'm sorry about the inconvenience.

If there is any current player that wouldn't mind playing a second set of games, or any non involved player that wants to be, this is your chance. For the current players, your score for the tournament would be determined by your best performance, not your aggregate. In plain english, you get your best score for the round, not a combination.

[JML]

I would like to play if there is still room.

[Iron Mike USMC]

If you can't find anyone in the next, say, 24 hours, I'm available.

[TacCovert4]

JML,

Send an email to dehengineer2003@yahoo.com.au and Victor Charlie would be glad to take you out, erm, I mean on.:)

[JML]

Email sent.

[jdsu]

Eeeeppp, the tourney has left port.

if theres' still space, send the next game to amoi at huntedhdk@hotmail.com

Just put Tripolitania on the subject line or something so my spam blockers don't block.

[Victor Charlie]

Ok I may have an opponent to fight then! :)

[TacCovert4]

JML has stepped up to the plate Vic. Once I replace my USB drive (the old one crashed:mad: ), and load the backups from my non internet computer, Both of you will be getting your start files. Tomorrow looks like a good day.



In other news:

The Map for round 2 is complete, again once I get the data transfer thingie going again, mangus will have it to work on force compositions.

I'm probably going to get him to work on battle 3's map, with me building the forces, so the maps do not become monotonous.

[Lunatik]

:D

see ya at ragnarok

[Lunatik]

It is slow to say the least. Except for this new guy Lunatik he is eating CMAK up. If you guys are looking for games give him a ring.:smoke:

you're making me blush. i was all excited about seeing a tourney, replied & then checked the date. doh !! :laugh:

[KGPanzerschrecK]

I sent you an E-Mail but im posting here as well just incase the mail doesnt get to you. I just found out that i need to leave town tonight for a few days, maybe more. An emergency family issue has arisen and im needed to watch over some young teen Nephews and Nieces of mine so my Brother and his Wife can spend time at the hospital with her sick Parents. I should be back in a few days, this weekend at the latest, sorry about the delay.

[2054172]

I sent you an E-Mail but im posting here as well just incase the mail doesnt get to you. I just found out that i need to leave town tonight for a few days, maybe more. An emergency family issue has arisen and im needed to watch over some young teen Nephews and Nieces of mine so my Brother and his Wife can spend time at the hospital with her sick Parents. I should be back in a few days, this weekend at the latest, sorry about the delay.

We are with you ...I am sure that you are better at taking care of kids then you are at Cmak.:laugh: :smoke:

[Neilm85uk]

I sent you an E-Mail but im posting here as well just incase the mail doesnt get to you. I just found out that i need to leave town tonight for a few days, maybe more. An emergency family issue has arisen and im needed to watch over some young teen Nephews and Nieces of mine so my Brother and his Wife can spend time at the hospital with her sick Parents. I should be back in a few days, this weekend at the latest, sorry about the delay.

I hope it all turns out well. Best wishes

N.

[2054172]

Where is my game turn?

[Neilm85uk]

Where is my game turn?

Was about to say the same to you! Can you resend the last one.

Ta

[redbear415]

well iam a newbe but i would like to be in if i could i am on the seening elephan tourney but i dont know if i could participade in this one too.

[Gen Schmaeter]

Hello

My PC issues were resolved by purchasing a new iMac. Who would have thought? The beauty of Mac OS X and Windows for CM all in one machine!

Anyhow, if any slots open up, I'd love to be considered as a sub.

Thanks!

[John Powderly]

Hey Gen Schmaeter - didn't you drop out of the Seeing the Elephant tourney because of the computer problems? If you did, see if you can get back into it - the more the merrier!

[antonius]

Hello

My PC issues were resolved by purchasing a new iMac. Who would have thought? The beauty of Mac OS X and Windows for CM all in one machine!

Anyhow, if any slots open up, I'd love to be considered as a sub.

Thanks!

That's good to hear. I'm still keen to finish our first battle whenever you are ready...

[Magoo]

Thanx, sounds like a great idea.

Hope there is still room

[TacCovert4]

Ok,

Looks like we have a good set of subs in case anyone needs to drop out. Cool.

On another note, sound off and tell me which turns you guys are on. This scen is a short one so I need to know how much time I have left to build the Battle of Benghazi.

Now that I've given a spoiler for battle 2, you all can start figuring out what sort of predicaments your forces will be in.

[Bertram]

:devious: After a small delay we are on turn 6 in both games.

[JML]

Me and Vic Charlie have finished our games. Both of us won while playing English side.

[The Hooded One]

BRO Sapper and I are on turn #15, so it'll soon be over - but still can't really say how the games will end up....:OHNO: :eek:

[antonius]

My game with jdsu started late so we've only completed 2 or 3 turns but we are exchanging files at a good rate now.

[JML]

How are mirror battles reported? Are they reported as a separate battles or as a one battle?

[Iron Mike USMC]

Neilm85UK and I just finished turns 12 and 13.

[Neilm85uk]

Neilm85UK and I just finished turns 12 and 13.

It's tense stuff! :shock:

[BRO Sapper]

BRO Sapper and I are on turn #15, so it'll soon be over - but still can't really say how the games will end up....:OHNO: :eek:


I think I can safely say that you're going to kick my butt in your attack! My Italians are doing a fine job at what they do best, firing their rifle once and running to the rear! :cry:

Still think I have a shot in the other one though, although losing most of my armor didn't help :nervous:

[2054172]

I think I can safely say that you're going to kick my butt in your attack! My Italians are doing a fine job at what they do best, firing their rifle once and running to the rear! :cry:

Still think I have a shot in the other one though, although losing most of my armor didn't help :nervous:

The Italians are poor at their best....I lost to Bertram of all people.:cry: :( :smoke:

[TacCovert4]

Good,

The map for round 2 is done, mangus will be putting the TO&E to it shortly, and give a couple of days to run over it before we turn you loose. To those that finished so quickly, I'm sorry that we've got such a gap in games, some are on turn 6 and some have been done for a couple of days, but I'll try to get round two started soon enough that you won't be bored for very long.

As far as scoring goes, send me an email detailing who your opponent was, and what kind of victory or loss occurred. I'll work with Palantir to get everything posted on the ladder as it should be. Plus I'll keep score for who gets the extra ladder points for being first and second and the honorable mention.

Once the battles are done, I'll post in tactical talk about a couple of the little things that I threw in for each side, and how they can be best utilized.

[Iron Mike USMC]

We, Neilm85uk and me, are just wrapping up turns 15 and 14.

For those who have fnished their games, how have the Italians done?

[JML]

Mostly Italians in my game have competed on how fast they can surrender or run away. I lost as Italian same as my opponent.

[mangus2000]

Mostly Italians in my game have competed on how fast they can surrender or run away. I lost as Italian same as my opponent.

Funny! coz in the play tests the Italians came out on top alot of the time.

If you any of you still have all the files please send the files with the password to me and Tac for evaluation.
This is my first attempt at making a Tourny and Tac has taken the lead, so it's all a learning experience for me, as i think it is for Tac!

[Iron Mike USMC]

I have every file of every game I played. When this is done, I'll send you both sets.

[2054172]

I have every file of every game I played. When this is done, I'll send you both sets.

Don't the files of every game you played just the ones of this tourney ......:p :smoke:

[Iron Mike USMC]

Don't the files of every game you played just the ones of this tourney ......:p :smoke:

:p Smart ass.:rolleyes:

[Neilm85uk]

:p Smart ass.:rolleyes:

The most accurate statement ever made on these boards :laugh: :laugh:

I've got all the files as well so double trouble for you Dan

[KGPanzerschrecK]

Was Wondering if you're back from your trip yet? Was wondering because i seem to be having trouble recieving emails from certain people and i didnt know if you were trying to send me turns or not. Let me know when you can, thanks man.

[TacCovert4]

Odd,

I thought I had given the Italians plenty of gear to successfully complete their mission of attritting the raiding force. I played it both sides against the admittedly stupid computer for complete victory. Therefore I assumed that it was reasonably balanced. I'll keep that in mind.

But as a note: The Italians are not for tank generals, and my own preset starting positions are not the best possible for them. It's best to let the Brits pound themselves against the infantry and let the AT weapons work them over a bit before bringing in the armor.

[BRO Sapper]

TAC COVERT 4,

I think the Italians can win, but it is harder to win with them than it is with the Brits. The AC can't take out the Bren Carriers reliably, the 20mm flak can't kill a Cruiser reliably, and the ATRs won't kill anything but a Bren Carrier on an average day, they'll run or cower first. So your left with either watching your infantry surrender under the guns of your opponent (as the Hooded One did) or bringing them up and risking their destruction in a 2:1 fight (as I did). Neither is a great option. As you say, the key is in massive repositioning of the Italians, in retrospect, I probably should've moved more than I did in the first place.

[TacCovert4]

I'll cover this more once rd 2 starts, but the key that I found was to use the high number of possible locations your AT assets could be to force your opponent to defend along several routes. Personally, I held my tanks back from the early fight, as they are outnumbered and outgunned. I hid the entirety of my force to allow the Brits to close in danger close before I opened up on a single tank with my entire suite of AT rifles. A good crossfire from several points against an enemy tank will kill it somewhat quickly. My tanks and ACs pretty much waited until my AT assets had attritted the enemy armored force, not the Bren Carriers, as far as they could, then raced across the desert to bolster my weakening infantry defense. I had virtually no reserves.

The two things that give the Italians a prayer are that they are defending, and it is night. Also, the map limits the number of efficient routes the enemy force can take, so defenders can stage a series of bloody ambushes. If it were daylight, the superior numbers of Brit tanks and the British mortar teams would make it impossible for the Italians to even cause significant casualties.

[The Hooded One]

OK, one of my games is done - how do I report it to the ladder? I don't see it mentioned anywhere in the scenario list...:confused:

[TacCovert4]

Sorry, I'm a bit new at this, so some things aren't worked out to perfection yet.

Just email me the results, and I'll get it taken care of as soon as I can.

Thanks,

Tac

[mangus2000]

OK, one of my games is done - how do I report it to the ladder? I don't see it mentioned anywhere in the scenario list...:confused:

I'm on that at the moment, just have to get a deffinative list of all participants!

[mangus2000]

Could everyone in this tourny send me a quick email just to say they are taking part.
There is a list on this thread but i want to make sure it's not out of date.
You don't evn have to write a msg just make the subject TTT Participant and send it to......
dandanmangus@hotmail.com

Thanks:)

[mangus2000]

Everyone should be able to post thier results on the Ladder now.

If I have left anyone out please drop me a Msg:)

[TacCovert4]

Thanks Mangus.

I got the file for the next battle. I'll start working on the briefings and help you hash out the force compositions.

[Bertram]

The Shreckster and I are nearly complete.

Are we the last ones?

When will round two be ready?

How big of files should we plan to send and receive in this tournament? I've seen some tournaments games talking over 10,000 points. Anything like that coming????

Thanks for the work it takes to run this.

[TacCovert4]

Bertram,

The goal for this tournament is to at least start small, so that old and new players alike get experience and fun out of it. While I can't say that the final battle won't be that big, we're endeavoring to keep it somewhere in the 6-8 thousand range.

[Neilm85uk]

Sorry folks, I've been offline for a few days with computer problems. Full formal apologies will go out with turns tonight. :o

[2054172]

My opponent seems to also be having problems. The computer on his side is the issue. We are on turn 13 and 14 of our games.

[KGPanzerschrecK]

A little update. John and I are into overtime in both our games...:thumup:

[mangus2000]

Well there is no rush to finish at the moment guys, still ironing out the next Scenario.
So keep it slow by all means:D

[mangus2000]

[QUOTE=Bertram;602607]The Shreckster and I are nearly complete.[QUOTE]

I thought Shreck was playing Colonel Talvela?
I'm really confused over who's playing who now.

Just to confirm, i have (at the moment) the games as....
2054172 V Cherper
Antonius V JDSU
Bro Sapper V The Hooded one
NeilmUK85 V Iron Mike USMC

This does not tally with the list of players that i have.

2054172
antonius
Bertram
BRO Sapper
Cherper
Colonel Talvela
Gen Schmaeter
Iron Mike USMC
jdsu
JML
KGPanzerschrecK
Neilm85uk
The Hooded One
Victor Charlie

Who has bailed out? whos playing ?

[TacCovert4]

JML vs. Vic Charlie

[Bertram]

We are in our 17-18th moves.

Shreck as Brits: He's beating me up at the airport and I've only killed one of his tanks with hand held tungsten. He has positioned them well out of LOS of my AT gun. Both of my tanks are long gone. Most of my troops at the airport are running and screaming towards the board edge.

Shreck as 205.. er I mean Italians: I own the airport but only have one mobile tank and I am beginning to harass him near the mosque. I've assembled a POW camp in the 'rear' area and Numbers is already setting up a bar!:clown: ;) :laugh:

[Victor Charlie]

We finished our games the other week. Thought we had sent you the results? Anyway Brit total victory in both games.

[TacCovert4]

Now Bertram,

That sounds more like the battle that I and Mangus had envisioned when we first set up the map.

Awesome to see both of you using your availible forces so well.

[KGPanzerschrecK]

Now Bertram,

That sounds more like the battle that I and Mangus had envisioned when we first set up the map.

Awesome to see both of you using your availible forces so well.

I couldnt belive his one italian inf squad that was in a small building infront of the 2 story building by the airport. I had two tanks shooting at him, one parked about 8 meters away, a full platoon shooting at him plus 2 brens and a sniper and 2 Bren carriers and he held that whole force up for 3 turns before they finally died. They never broke or ran. I will get the airport but talk about a little holding up a lot!

[Neilm85uk]

I couldnt belive his one italian inf squad that was in a small building infront of the 2 story building by the airport. I had two tanks shooting at him, one parked about 8 meters away, a full platoon shooting at him plus 2 brens and a sniper and 2 Bren carriers and he held that whole force up for 3 turns before they finally died. They never broke or ran. I will get the airport but talk about a little holding up a lot!

They're not keen on cold steel. Get in there!

[TacCovert4]

Although we still have some games out, the cries for round 2 have not been unheeded! Battle 2 is almost complete, and could be sent as early as next week.

(Note: Same as post in TtT Rd2 Thread)

As round 1 is wrapping up and round 2 could be started Monday, or Wednesday at the latest,

If you have finished your game for round 1:

Send an email to Mangus:

dandanmangus at Hotmail dot com

In it detail you forum name, who you played and the outcome.

This will help us greatly in knowing exactly who is done, and in formulating the pairings for round 2.

(I apologize for the incessant requests for emails, all of the tourney info was on my flash drive, including full name and email listings for all players, and the pairings for the tourney. Unfortunately, the drive was accidentally removed from my computer without shutting down, and all the data was lost. We are trying to make a new listing set of all players and their pairings, but we will do that as part of sending out round 2)

Thank you for your patience,

Daniel Hines

TacCovert4

[KGPanzerschrecK]

They're not keen on cold steel. Get in there!

They are already dead. I was just refering to how long they held me up and how much firepower it took to kill them. BTW, i tried rushing them and that resulted in 2 dead squads, lol. Those guys deserve all the medals the Italians have.

[Bertram]

Yes, those brave Italians helped pull out a DRAW. His 53% to my 47%.:(

Still waiting on Bertram's Brits to finish...................:devious:

[2054172]

We are into our last turn and The Italians this time have done their job for me...The British are rounding up his Italians and in the outher game.:nuts: :smoke:

[antonius]

Myself and jdsu should have our games finished within the next few days (currently on turn 13 and 15).

[Bertram]

Yes, those brave Italians helped pull out a DRAW. His 53% to my 47%.:(

Still waiting on Bertram's Brits to finish...................:devious:

Bertram's Brits have lost!!! I held the airport and intersection but lost all my tanks moving forward too recklessly. The last one exploded violently when the ammo storage was hit by a tungsten round. Schreck played cautiously to his advantage. 7 full squads were in the mosque and he had driven 3 armored cars off map in the last couple of turns. With my last tank gone his 7 squads, 2 mortars and MG would have cleaned me out without reinforcements coming to my rescue. Well done Schreck!

[Iron Mike USMC]

Neilm85uk and I are still locked in battle. We are on turns 17 and 16, or going into 18 and 17. I am out of town, and dopey me forgot to bring my game disk, so I will be unable to revert any turns until Sunday Night.:nervous:

[KGPanzerschrecK]

Bertram's Brits have lost!!! I held the airport and intersection but lost all my tanks moving forward too recklessly. The last one exploded violently when the ammo storage was hit by a tungsten round. Schreck played cautiously to his advantage. 7 full squads were in the mosque and he had driven 3 armored cars off map in the last couple of turns. With my last tank gone his 7 squads, 2 mortars and MG would have cleaned me out without reinforcements coming to my rescue. Well done Schreck!


Good games Bertram! :thumup: I foolishly wasted my proud sons of England too early in my game as the Brits. :paperbag: Even the crafty use of my tanks and the full on slaughter of his entire armored force coupled with the capturing of the Crossroads and Airport VLs couldnt save me from a draw. John's excellent game play and insanely brave squad held me up and kept me from being able to accomplish anything else before the time ran out.

In the game with me as the Italians my 20mm AAG did all the killing. It killed 2 tanks, made 1 other bail, Immobilized 1, killed a BC, made another Bail, killed 6 infantry and captured 1 infantry. Those boys are getting all kinds of medals. They were eventually knocked out but the crew only lost one man and they managed to sneak to a brushy area and hide out for the rest of the game and they avoided being captured. The rest of the Airport defense force manage to live long enough to delay the enemy force and keep them away from the main VL at the Mosque until it was too late in the game for him to do anything. Thats what i wanted to happen and it worked out well. Killing that last tank with one shot from an ATR was the icing on the cake. Pure luck, but ill take it.

Once again John was a top notch opponent! Cant wait to play him some more games!

[TacCovert4]

It's good to hear that the balance of the scenario was about what I had thought when I designed it. I got scared early on as everyone was claiming these wild rolling charges by the Brits, which in playtesting had always resulted in my losing virtually all my mobility. In fact, I added the smoke tank simply because I couldn't keep from getting raped by the 20mm AA.

[Neilm85uk]

It's good to hear that the balance of the scenario was about what I had thought when I designed it. I got scared early on as everyone was claiming these wild rolling charges by the Brits, which in playtesting had always resulted in my losing virtually all my mobility. In fact, I added the smoke tank simply because I couldn't keep from getting raped by the 20mm AA.

In our games neither player has lost a British tank though I think one of Ed's may be immobilised. The Brits will probably have won both though they're pretty close.

[Iron Mike USMC]

That's about right. No armor lost for the Brits.

So far the 20mm has played no significant part in either game.

[TacCovert4]

The thing that really screws both the 20mm AA and the Tanks is that at night, you can't see past 150 meters or so, and you can't have anyone spotting for you. But at those ranges, should a Tank meet the AA, the AA has the advantage because it is dug in, and has a much higher rate of fire. Not to mention that the AA has the right ammo loadouts for the job.

Don't worry, Battle 2 is a daytime thing, so you battlefield suppressive fire gurus, have at it.

[KGPanzerschrecK]

The thing that really screws both the 20mm AA and the Tanks is that at night, you can't see past 150 meters or so, and you can't have anyone spotting for you. But at those ranges, should a Tank meet the AA, the AA has the advantage because it is dug in, and has a much higher rate of fire. Not to mention that the AA has the right ammo loadouts for the job.

The key is to swarm the 20mm AAG with multiple tanks or infantry units after having smoked it with the smoke tank or mortars. That would be the ideal situation. But the problem with that is by the time it came round to dealing with it your either out of time or dont have enough of one unit or another. In my case i had enough tanks to do it and enough smoke in the smoke tank, but i ran out of time in the scenario. I was positioned to make my move on the gun when time ran out.

[TacCovert4]

And that is how it is supposed to be. It's a raid, so your mission was to secure the documents and "prisoners" not to actually take or destroy any installations. Destroying installations was the secondary objective.

[2054172]

From Jeff Cherpeski (Cherper) I have not heard from him in a week we are on our last turns.:cry: :smoke:

[antonius]

More Round 1 results:

Antonius (Axis) - 74% / jdsu (Allies) - 26%.
Major Victory to Antonius

Antonius (Allies) - 53% / jdsu (Axis) - 47%
Draw

The Italians did well in both battles and the action didn't reach the main objective at the mosque. Great fun. Respect to jdsu for being a tough opponent.

[mangus2000]

Just waiting for the last two matches to finish and hopefully we should be ready for the next round.

[2054172]

He would be around this Sunday to return my games.

ANOTHER POINT NEILMUK85 WHERE IS MY GAME!!!!:smoke:

[2054172]

The first of our games is over with a major forthe Allies 76%to 24%axis. This was the third game for Cherper and he has lots of potential. I think he will soon be a force to recon with. This was a very action packed game and WELL DONE GUYS THAT WORKED ON IT.:clap: :thumup: :hail: :thumup: :smoke:

[Iron Mike USMC]

Neil's and my games are still dragging out. He finally got some hits on my armor.

Just waiting for the last two matches to finish and hopefully we should be ready for the next round.

[2054172]

Did Mangus design the next map? I told you guys not to let him drink with a key board in front of him.:angry: :nuts: :smoke:

[Bertram]

Is round two out??

Where's mine??

Numbers, where's your next move?

[2054172]

Is round two out??

Where's mine??

Numbers, where's your next move?

you not up to snuff yet.;) :ciao: :hissyfit: :icon_bs: :violin: :p :nuts: :smoke:

[2054172]

I have finally won with Italians.:clap: :clap: :hurray: :hurray:
The final game with Cherper is over and the Italians won with a 75%.
Th Allies lost with a 25% score.

I take it you post them on the ladder?:smoke:

[mangus2000]

I have finally won with Italians.:clap: :clap: :hurray: :hurray:
The final game with Cherper is over and the Italians won with a 75%.
Th Allies lost with a 25% score.

I take it you post them on the ladder?:smoke:

Congatulations to you:toast: and comiserations to Cherper:cry:

I have been letting everyone report their own games but i can do it for you.
Were they Minor/Major etc?

The next round will be out soon, just waiting for 1 or 2 games to finish. And for Tac to tell me how he wants the players split.

We have decided that the next round will be Mirrored aswell, this is due to us being very new at designing scenarios and the balance issue; hope this doesn't cause to much problems for you all. Maybe in future rounds when were a bit more confident we will have single rounds.

Oh and thanks to Lurker who has been helping with play testing, your a "sound gezzer":laugh:

[TacCovert4]

Sorry Guys,

Between Thanksgiving, apparentely a big holiday here in America, School, Work, and Toys for Tots, I've been offline for a while. I'll coordinate with mangus today, and we can hopefully get battle 2 out soon enough. Thanks to all of you for being so understanding and patient with a new crop of tourney mods/designers.

Daniel Hines
Taccovert4

[Iron Mike USMC]

Neil and I have completed one game, and probably will complete the next on this turn. I won't reveal anything, since I just sent him the latest turn files.

[Cherper]

We have decided that the next round will be Mirrored aswell, this is due to us being very new at designing scenarios and the balance issue; hope this doesn't cause to much problems for you all.


I don't like mirrored games, I am probably in the minority of this, it just seems that each player has too much information about the opposing forces. There doesn't seem to be any difference in forces.

[Neilm85uk]

Neil and I have completed one game, and probably will complete the next on this turn. I won't reveal anything, since I just sent him the latest turn files.

I'm sat at work and the anticipation is too much. I wonder if I could get home and back in my lunch hour :bounce:

[The Hooded One]

I'm sat at work and the anticipation is too much. I wonder if I could get home and back in my lunch hour :bounce:

I bet you lost big time! :stirthepot: :bigfire: :clown: :laugh:

[Iron Mike USMC]

(Don't take that bet. Wait for the next result.):rolleyes:

I bet you lost big time! :stirthepot: :bigfire: :clown: :laugh:

[TacCovert4]

I don't like mirrored games, I am probably in the minority of this, it just seems that each player has too much information about the opposing forces. There doesn't seem to be any difference in forces.

To Cherper in particular, and the TtT community in general:

As those of you that design scenarios for multiplayer play already know, devising force mixxes and maps that can be considered truly neutral for either side is highly difficult. To do so requires a lot of playtesting against live players, and a bit of assumption by the designers. As mangus and I cannot really be considered master players, or designers, we opted in the beginning to go with a mirrored tournament, feeling that such a setup would help alleviate any scoring discrepancies caused by an accidental incident of overwhelming strength on one side or the other. The wild range of scores in battle 1 justified this.

In round 1, I did ask about doing non mirrored games, and the poll recieved a hearty response towards the yes. The reason that Battle 2 is being mirrored therefore is twofold.

1) The major problem with B1 being mirrored was that the setup zones were artificially limited to accurately represent a night raid and a garrisonned defender not expecting any sort of attack. This, however, did create the problem of players knowing pretty much exactly where the enemy would come from and in what strength. Battle 2 is much more random, with setup zones being roughly 200x1200 meters in size IIRC, slightly more random events, and spottier intelligence. I can assure you that from testing Battle 2 over a dozen times, I have recieved even from the highly predicatable computer "a suprise a minute". There are just so many different things that can be done in battle 2, that I do not think mirroring the games would affect the outcome of the battle.

2) Getting the force mixxes for battle 2 was orders of magnitude more complicated that battle 1, with over a dozen units being added/removed over the course of a couple of weeks. While all parties involved believe that balance has finally been achieved, we're not exactly so confident that we'd take the plunge on this scenario. In essence, the battle it represents was just about a walkover for one of the sides, and our more balanced version has had too many instances when that is exactly what happens. We think all the issues have been solved, but the hinge factor is too great with this scenario, IMHO.

To satiate all parties, Battles 3 and 4 will not be mirrored. One person of each pair will be randomly selected and given the setup file for the battle. If the scores are highly in favor of one side or the other, Battles 3 and 4 will be combined in scoring for the final winners of the tournament. However, if battles 3 & 4 come out pretty balanced as far as mean score for each side, battle 5 will be non-mirrored as well.

[Neilm85uk]

I bet you lost big time! :stirthepot: :bigfire: :clown: :laugh:

:upset: :cry:

[mangus2000]

The matches are all over and we have calculated all the scores on the Cern computer and they are

2054172: 12
antonius: 9
Neilm85uk: 8
The Hooded One: 8
JML: 7
KGPanzerschrecK: 7
Victor Charlie: 7
Bertram: 5
BRO Sapper: 4
Iron Mike USMC: 4
jdsu: 3
Cherper: 0

Axis Allied
2054172 vs Cherper Axis Major Victory
Cherper vs 2054172 Allied Major Victory
antonius vs jdsu Axis Major Victory
jdsu vs antonius Allied Draw
Bertram vs KGPanzerschrecK Axis Draw
KGPanzerschrecK vs Bertram Allied Minor Victory
BRO Sapper vs The Hooded One Axis Tactical Victory
The Hooded One vs BRO Sapper Allied Draw
Iron Mike USMC vs Neilm85uk Axis Minor Victory
Neilm85uk vs Iron Mike USMC Allied Minor Victory
JML vs Victor Charlie Allied Total Victory
Victor Charlie vs JML Allied Total Victory

Match 2
Axis/Allies Axis/Allies
2054172 V antonius
Neilm85uk V The Hooded One
Victor Charlie V KGPanzerschrecK
JML V Bertram
BRO Sapper V Iron Mike USMC
Cherper V jdsu


The match will be going out to you all very soon-ish:laugh:

[Victor Charlie]

The matches are all over and we have calculated all the scores on the Cern computer and they are

2054172: 12
antonius: 9
Neilm85uk: 8
The Hooded One: 8
JML: 7
KGPanzerschrecK: 7
Victor Charlie: 7
Bertram: 5
BRO Sapper: 4
Iron Mike USMC: 4
jdsu: 3
Cherper: 0

Axis Allied
2054172 vs Cherper Axis Major Victory
Cherper vs 2054172 Allied Major Victory
antonius vs jdsu Axis Major Victory
jdsu vs antonius Allied Draw
Bertram vs KGPanzerschrecK Axis Draw
KGPanzerschrecK vs Bertram Allied Minor Victory
BRO Sapper vs The Hooded One Axis Tactical Victory
The Hooded One vs BRO Sapper Allied Draw
Iron Mike USMC vs Neilm85uk Axis Minor Victory
Neilm85uk vs Iron Mike USMC Allied Minor Victory
JML vs Victor Charlie Axis Total Victory
Victor Charlie vs JML Allied Total Victory



Actually in our games JML and I both had allied total victories.

[KGPanzerschrecK]

Cant wait for the next set of games, looking foward to playing you Victor Charlie.

[Bertram]

VC is a good aggressive player, you've been duly warned.:) :devious:

[KGPanzerschrecK]

VC is a good aggressive player, you've been duly warned.:) :devious:

Quite a few of those types in KG, so im used to 'em. :D We even have one, who shall remain nameless, who went through Kamakazi school. :nuts:

[Victor Charlie]

VC is a good aggressive player, you've been duly warned.:) :devious:

Well thanks! But aggressive is the only way to play!
And where are my files by the way!

KGPanzerschrecK yeah looking forward to our game as well.

[mangus2000]

Still waiting for thefile Shreck!;)