Is anybody so kind

[sea knight]

Is anybody so kind to post some photos of the interior of those ships, expecially engine room?
I tried to find them in internet, but bad luck..
An other question, did those ship used sails when cruising, not to move the whole ship therselves but just to aid the engines and extend autonomy?
Thank you very much to all future benefactors

[Bullethead]

Is anybody so kind to post some photos of the interior of those ships, expecially engine room? Can't help you there, I'm afraid :(.

An other question, did those ship used sails when cruising, not to move the whole ship therselves but just to aid the engines and extend autonomy?

This I can help with....

Back when steam 1st got put into ships, the engines of the day were so inefficient that no ship could carry enough coal to go any great distance at all. None could cross the Atlantic completely under steam, for example, or even come close. Thus in the beginning, sail remained the primary means of movement, with steam only used as an aid, such as entering and leaving harbor, getting through calms at sea, and to gain freedom of maneuver in battle.

Throughout the 2nd 1/2 of the 1800s, steam power became more and more efficient. Boilers were able to withstand higher pressures and became better at heating water, and engines were designed that made better used of the available steam. Each of these incremental improvements reduced the need for ships to carry full sailing rigs, but they still needed sail to cross oceans for a while. The Brits built the 1st mastless battleship in the late 1870s, but she had extremely huge coal bunkers for her size, and they built many battleships later that still had sails, although the sails were used less and less as time went on. It wasn't until the 1890s that sails were totally abolished from front-line battleships, although by then they'd just been kept around for the last 10 years or so by tradition and not quite yet trusting steam. Even the USS Maine was designed with a sailing rig, although she lacked them by the time she was built.

But that's just battleships, that weren't intended to go too far from home or at least from civilization. Lesser units, such as cruisers and gunboats, carried sails much longer. This was because the coal infrastructure took quite a while to be established in the far reaches of the world. A colonial gunboat or cruiser in some distant area might only be able to get coal reliably at its home port, but had to cover thousands of miles away from there. Even with relatively efficient engines, therefore, such ships needed sail to stretch their range.

Of the DG ships, things like Koreyets fell into this category. She was a true (although poorly performing) sailing colonial vessel with enough steam to go quite a ways, but with need of sail to ensure she could get back home.

[Doctor Haider]

Is anybody so kind to post some photos of the interior of those ships, expecially engine room?


Try this: http://www.aurora.org.ru/

The site has the English version too.

Some more interior: Rurik http://www.tsushima.org.ru/fotoarhiv/russia/brkr_rurik/images/03.jpg

Rossya: http://www.tsushima.org.ru/images/fotoships1/russia/russia_06.jpg
http://www.tsushima.org.ru/images/fotoships1/russia/russia_10.jpg

Varyag: http://www.tsushima.org.ru/fotoarhiv/russia/bpkr_variag/images/04.jpg

[Rhetor]

"Riurik" was designed as a steam/sail ship. Also "Rossia" and "Gromboi" could rig some canvas and make a few knots.

[Vigilante]

There is an online album of photos of the engine and engineering spaces of the U.S.S. Olympia (launched 1892) at this site (http://www.survivingworldsteam.com/gallery/album36).

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/vigilantefromvenus/uss_Olympia.jpg

She participated in the Spanish-American War as Commodore Dewey's flagship at Manila Bay. The oldest surviving steel warship, she is still afloat as a museum ship in Philadelphia, but is in need of repair and further restoration, especially belowdecks. Anyone interested in contributing to her restoration may do so simply by buying a book; details regarding the ship and restoration project are available at http://www.spanamwar.com/olympia.htm.

[sea knight]

THANK YOU very much to all of you:) :) :)

[Zakalwe]

Great site about Olympia, Vigilante! THX!

I once built the Revell modell of her around 20 years ago, beautiful ship. It ended on the scrap when I moved a few years ago. Now regretting it.

Z.

[Bullethead]

"Riurik" was designed as a steam/sail ship. Also "Rossia" and "Gromboi" could rig some canvas and make a few knots.

Ryurik orginally had a complete barque rig, but the other 2 could just carry a couple of gaff sails for emergency use only (although the original intent early in their design process was that they'd carry much more).

In the RJW, pretty much all ships that were about 20 years old at the time, and some that were slightly younger, either possessed a substantial sailing rig or had been built that way originally. They had needed such a rig when they were built, thanks to the coal-hungry engines tech of their day, although some of these old ships got more modern machinery by the time of the RJW.

The Russians have far more old ships like this than the Japanese, and most of them (except for the Port Arthur gunboats and clippers) are in the 2nd Pacific Squadron. At the time these old ships were being built, the IJN amounted to only a handful of ships, which had been replaced and vastly outnumbered by modern, non-sailing ships by the 1890s. Thus, except for a few things like the ancient auxiliary cruisers, none of the Japanese ships in the game could ever move under sail.

[saddletank]

Got to say that this forum is great for the good links people post. Thanks very much from someone sick of spending hours googling and not finding very much of interest in this period :)

[saddletank]

Varyag: http://www.tsushima.org.ru/fotoarhiv/russia/bpkr_variag/images/04.jpg

Heh hehe, what an amazing image, thanks very much for posting! (I love those hanging plants in the light fitting and all the polished dresser etc. Must have made a real mess of that room when the gun was in action :)

[Doctor Haider]

Heh hehe, what an amazing image, thanks very much for posting! (I love those hanging plants in the light fitting and all the polished dresser etc. Must have made a real mess of that room when the gun was in action :)

I like this photo also:) Very usable. You can shoot up some japanese if they bother you during your dinner:laugh:

A propos. Russian sailors very liked Retvisan and Varyag because these american-built ships were much more comfortable than any russian and european-built vessel.

[saddletank]

It's now my desktop. My wife used the PC first thing this morning and she didn't even notice the gun in the window.