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Aries
18 Aug 06, 11:02
I don't think I am much of a "scientific" player, but then neither are my local buddies I play against.

I hear guys claim to play the hardest setting and beat the game and get bored of it. and to be truthful, sometimes I think it would be nicer if they stuck to saying it drags on the ground :)

Anyway. I have been noticing a variety of dynamics in the game, and I am wondering, what others experience of the game.

For me, the earliest thing in the game is establish a religion. You need a religion to keep your people happy, as unhappy people don't produce once a city has any real size. And small cities rarely produce any real commerce or production.

I generally like Ghandi, not very warlike, no military perks. But I keep telling my friends, I'll be building "ordinary" swordsmen long before you even have the chance to build anything better than well trained warriors.
I usually go and get Budhism first thing. It leads to Priesthood, which allows the Oracle, which gives a free tech, and I always see to it it's Metalcrafting, because that means Forges, which means rapid production.
Naturally you have several techs you have to grab first.
I find Bronze Working to be critcal, and if you have a copper resource close that's definitely a home run.
If you score Iron Working soon after Metal Crafting, and have an Iron resource, you don't really "need" a military power leader, as you will be more than able to build a decent army all the same.

With the Warlord expansion, it has become apparent, that building the Great Wall is a big deal. But, if the map is small, you will soon run out of barbarian threat anyway. If you have copper and iron early on, you likely can build better military units than the barbarians too. So getting the Great Wall is only important on larger maps that can support health barbarian populations.
I usually go with either Raging Barbarians, or agressive AI though, and if you are using Raging Barbarians, yep, you WANT that Great Wall :)

The next stage of the game for me though, doesn't come till much later. I call it the cultural shoving match stage. This is where your cultural boundaries and beginning to shove back and forth with your neighbours. I have found, that the game's AI players, will routinely build massive sums of units, the moment they become the player with the smallest point score.
My friends and I basically try to be the second highest point score in the game as long as is practical, just so the loser AI player goes after the front runner. Because we have noticed, that unless you are really in their face over a specific resource, the AI always attacks the guy with the highest score.

So the last critical stage, is the military build up stage, where it's time to build a dang big military for the big attack. There usually is a "big attack" sequence in time.

And we have noticed, that no matter how powerful your units, 5 vs 20 means you likely lose, or at the very least, they ransack the hell out of your surrounding improvements, and that means a long period or rebuilding (assuming you win).

I usually play on Warlord level. I find Warlord difficulty level, with one other human, 3-4 AI players set on agressive, and no tech trading provides a fun game that can be played in about 8 hours. We usually pick medium size maps, all victory types available start from ancient, and play on quick mode speed

griffitz62
19 Aug 06, 14:19
I tend to play very much the same way. I think founding a religion is very important. Maybe not right away, but getting one eventually is critical. I go for Budhism first thing because I think it's easier to get a religion earlier than later.

I don't play Civ as a wargame so I pick Ghandi, Cyrus, Catherine, Mansa Musa. I like the cultural push a lot and focus there as much as feasible.

I play on the Noble setting and haven't tried it any harder. I find that setting to be just about right and am not sure what to think when people say they beat the game on the highest setting. I struggle a lot with barbarians and still don't have a solid idea of how to deal with them. The Warlords expansion makes the Great Wall a must for me, but I've only played Warlords once so far.

I play with one other friend and about 3 AI players on medium maps with all victory options. We like to team up so we allow permanent alliances and tech trading. I also like a slow pace so we play on the epic time setting (or whatever the slowest one is, can't remember for sure right now).

Mantis
05 Sep 06, 18:07
Well, I'm one of those so-and-so's that could beat previous versions of this game on Deity/hardest/etc, but I have yet to even attempt it on Civ IV.

(Basically, it's a 'trick', in that once you know how it's done, (and if you have enough patience), you can manage to swing it alot of the time. And even if you can't get it to work as well as some, it almost certainly makes it possible to beat higher difficulty levels than you were used to).

From the things I've seen in IV, however, it might not be so easy this time.

Caveat - I'm only playing Civ IV again after quite a bit of time off. When I first got it, pre patch, it was soooo slow, that I simply couldn't deal with waiting between 5 and 55 minutes to do my next turn (yes, in the early game, lol).

DLed the latest patch on a whim, and was pleasantly surprised to see things running quickly.

Mantis
08 Sep 06, 11:43
Now however, i'm starting to get really annoyed as the game keeps crashing my entire system anywhere from 2 to 20 minutes after I load my save.

Odd - when I first got this game, it wouldn't run worth a pinch of crap on 3 different systems I tried it on, and after having a bit of luck with the new patch, now I'm back to this. The movies also play totally choppy, always have, all patches/PCs I've used... Anyone else go through/still experiencing issues like this?

Aries
08 Sep 06, 13:44
Unlikely the game or Patch, as post patch, the game perked up a lot for me.

But I have not played a basic Civ IV game in some time. I'm all into Warlords. I don't think that the expansion made a big alteration there though, so I don't think the expansion was made as a cure all for some earlier troubles.

The game though is a resource hog. Long games, with many sides (player or AI), can cause the game to slow down near the end game. Just that much to process.

This game likes lots of ram period.

On game play, in Civ 3 I got owned a lot. I don't think I ever got around to a victory.

In Civ IV there are not magic fixes, you just have to be on your toes. There are many more ways to win than are readily obvious.
Watch the AIs like a hawk. They are not actually "thinking" per se, but, they do seem to be nastier in Civ IV all the same.

Be wary of your culture pushing too hard on another, it makes them crazy.
Be wary of AIs that have low scores, it makes them suicidal.
Keep a firm eye on open borders. If you aren't going to enter theirs, don't let them in yours unless you look like a solid warmonger saturated in military muscle. If you are weak, letting them see it is a bad idea.

I have found the AIs will gladly trade with each other. Don't assume you can give to a friendly AI, and they won't then trade it to another AI you don't like. They don't seem to understand this notion of "you don't like that other AI".

Keep a large military visible. You might not like paying for it, and you might not even want to use it, but if you are found to have no muscle, they WILL beat you up. The game likes beating up on the weak.

If you are playing multi human with AI's it is not a bad idea to let another be the highest points in culture occasionally. The moody suicidal AI's usually freak on the person with the best score. Seems the AIs hate winners :)

Make absolutely sure you understand which wonders will actually benefit you. They are NOT equal in value to all civs. They always work the same way, but, what works for you, might not be critical for another.

tomart
25 Dec 06, 23:12
The movies also play totally choppy, always have, all patches/PCs I've used... Anyone else go through/still experiencing issues like this?
Yes, while I have enough RAM that the game runs ok, my Wonder movies all-too-frequently are choppy or even lock up the game, forcing me to restart.
But I found out that after the restart, the movies run ok... So I've learned that the computer running for a lot of hours is when the movies crap out. :shock:
So now I watch for an approaching Wonder Movie, Save and restart; then the movie usually runs fine.

Mantis
27 Dec 06, 15:58
I'll have to try that when I get back into the game. (Heroes 5, the expansion for same, GalCiv 2 and NWN 2 seem to be eating a bit of my time... ;) )

Memory leak in the game, perhaps? I have 2 gigs of RAM on one machine, and do not use a zillion TSR progs. Still happens. Also, I've noted doing many reboots for Civ IV, but not for the movies specifically, so I'll have to check on that one.

Thanks!

Veers
02 Feb 07, 01:15
Well, I'm one of those so-and-so's that could beat previous versions of this game on Deity/hardest/etc, but I have yet to even attempt it on Civ IV.

(Basically, it's a 'trick', in that once you know how it's done, (and if you have enough patience), you can manage to swing it alot of the time. And even if you can't get it to work as well as some, it almost certainly makes it possible to beat higher difficulty levels than you were used to).

From the things I've seen in IV, however, it might not be so easy this time.

Caveat - I'm only playing Civ IV again after quite a bit of time off. When I first got it, pre patch, it was soooo slow, that I simply couldn't deal with waiting between 5 and 55 minutes to do my next turn (yes, in the early game, lol).

DLed the latest patch on a whim, and was pleasantly surprised to see things running quickly.
No kidding!!! I got it for a gift, played it for a couple days and gave up on it entirel because it was so slow. Where is this patch? :D I'll have to find my copy and dust it off (plus find the serial code for the patch...)

Don Maddox
02 Feb 07, 11:03
I haven't had a problem with it running slow since the patch.

numbersix
02 Feb 07, 11:53
I've found it slow but then my system only has a 64Mb graphics card...

James

Mantis
28 Mar 07, 13:30
I was initially using a 256 meg graphics card, and 2 gigs RAM on an AMD XP 2800+.

Troy Goodfellow
04 Apr 07, 13:34
I tend to play very much the same way. I think founding a religion is very important. Maybe not right away, but getting one eventually is critical. I go for Budhism first thing because I think it's easier to get a religion earlier than later.

If you can get Buddhism or Hinduism with your first research choice, go for it, but otherwise I find that agriculture or bronze working are much more important.

If you miss these first two faiths, though, rush to build The Oracle (you need Priesthood. Marble means faster work). Then you can choose whichever religion is left with Code of Laws/Confucianism being your best option.

On a small map, btw, founding a religion isn't nearly as important as simply having one. The biggest asset of a holy city is the extra gold that comes with the Holy Shrine. If your empire isn't that large, this extra gold won't necessarily help all that much since you can maintain the empire at a lower cost in any case. Getting a religion opens up all the benefits from the civics selections, and you don't need to found the faith to get these. Founding is good, but not necessary.

The upcoming expansion will open up the religious game to the end game by adding corporations as something whose tentacles can be spread. I look forward to seeing this play out.