What constitutes a fortified line?

[Benbur]

Hi,

As stated in the title, how many hexes (with units fortified in them) is considered to be a "Line"? What effects does pre-made Forts (ie - DMZ Korea) have?

"Line" = 3 connected hexes with units in them?


Thanks for your help.

[Telumar]

I'd say a line is a line.. :laugh: the more units, the longer, the deeper, the more entrenched, the better.
A line shouldn't have gaps..:)

"Line" = 3 connected hexes with units in them?

What do you mean exactly?

What effects does pre-made Forts (ie - DMZ Korea) have?

Fortified hexes have an entrenchment level of 100% and make it easier for units to reach the fortified deployment. See also the terrain effect table in the manual or the thread here in the workshop forum for defensive bonuses and note that these apply only if the hex is attacked on its fortified side.

Here is a pic from one of my lines as an example - 82nd AB east of Nijmegen in defence against the Korps Feldt:
http://img324.imageshack.us/img324/8972/lineba2.png

[Benbur]

Hi,

First off, thanks for your time. :cool:

The online help says the following about Defensive Strengths (this example is for Infrantry):

"In fortified line hex (any deployment), or fortified deployment (any terrain), x8 "

So my question is how many units in a "Line" makes it a "Line". If I have 2 units next to each other and both are fortified, is this then a fortified line? Or do I need 3 units in line, 4...?

"What effects does pre-made Forts (ie - DMZ Korea) have?"


IYou'll see what I mean if you look at Juno Beach (Hexes; 73,28, 74,28 & 75,28). Do these make any difference for the defender?

Once again thanks!:smoke:

[Telumar]

So my question is how many units in a "Line" makes it a "Line". If I have 2 units next to each other and both are fortified, is this then a fortified line? Or do I need 3 units in line, 4...?

You will need as much units for your fortified line as necessary to prevent the enemy from outflanking your line.
If the terrain you defend is, let's say two hexes flanked on each side by marsh or impassable terrain your line would consist of two units. If you defend Moscow as the russians in a barbarossa scenario i.e. DnO your line will have to be a zillion times longer...
What's the problem here? Do we misunderstand each other? :confused:

"What effects does pre-made Forts (ie - DMZ Korea) have?"
IYou'll see what I mean if you look at Juno Beach (Hexes; 73,28, 74,28 & 75,28). Do these make any difference for the defender?
Once again thanks!:smoke:

Ahem, look in the post above...the defenders have increased defensive strengths, thus taking less losses..

Example for Infantry:

Defensive Strengths of Infantry (Infantry, Infantry weapons)

Infantry and non static weapons in defending units benefit from increased defensive strengths in some terrain or deployments. Effects are not cumulative.

Light woods, forest, hills, wadi, or defending x2.0
Bocage, urban, urban ruin, jungle, dunes or entrenched x3.0
Dense urban, dense urban ruin, badlands, fortified line or fortified deployment x4.0


Bold font added by me. This refers to the pre-made forts you mentioned.

[Benbur]

You will need as much units for your fortified line as necessary to prevent the enemy from outflanking your line.
If the terrain you defend is, let's say two hexes flanked on each side by marsh or impassable terrain your line would consist of two units. If you defend Moscow as the russians in a barbarossa scenario i.e. DnO your line will have to be a zillion times longer...
What's the problem here? Do we misunderstand each other? :confused:

I just wanted to be sure of the bonus. In theory a line could be 1 unit. As long as it's fortified it will get the mentioned defensive bonuses. In other words I was :confused: not you!


Ahem, look in the post above...the defenders have increased defensive strengths, thus taking less losses..

If you look at Juno Beach (Hexes; 73,28, 74,28 & 75,28 Units Invisble) you'll see the Stone colored (Grey) permanent fortifications. Do these increase the defensive bonuses of the hex beyond what a unit that is in fortified deployment adds to the hex?

If the permanent fotifications increase the defensive srength of the the hex (in this example, x4) and fortified deployment (also x4) then a fortified (F) unit in the hex where the permanent fortification is would receive x8 on it's defensive strength. Correct?

[Telumar]

If you look at Juno Beach (Hexes; 73,28, 74,28 & 75,28 Units Invisble) you'll see the Stone colored (Grey) permanent fortifications. Do these increase the defensive bonuses of the hex beyond what a unit that is in fortified deployment adds to the hex?

If the permanent fotifications increase the defensive srength of the the hex (in this example, x4) and fortified deployment (also x4) then a fortified (F) unit in the hex where the permanent fortification is would receive x8 on it's defensive strength. Correct?

Ah, now i see what you want.. No, the effects are not cumulative. Just best single bonus is used.

Glad we finally got it..;)

[Benbur]

Thanks man! It's been a long day! ;)

[Telumar]

Thanks man! It's been a long day! ;)
The longest day! :laugh:

[Benbur]

:laugh: :laugh:

[m5000]

by the way, do you have to be dug in, entrenched, or fotified in a fortified line to get the defensive bonus or can you stay mobile?

by fortified line i mean of course the hexes that are surrounded by a grey line (which i think represents fortifications)

[Secadegas]

by the way, do you have to be dug in, entrenched, or fotified in a fortified line to get the defensive bonus or can you stay mobile?

The fortified line gives youdefensive bonus even if mobile


by fortified line i mean of course the are surrounded by a grey line (which i think represents fortifications)
Yes

[Becker]

You should build your line near rivers, mountain ranges. You can also experiment with the shape of lines according the situation.

[Snefens]

The fortified line gives you defensive bonus even if mobile

Remember that there are different types of defensive mulitpliers; vs. infantry, vs. vehicles ect. Some of which the fortified line doesn't modify, but fortified deployment does. (I can't remember which off the top of my head.)

So all in all it's better to be fortified, than just in mobile deployment in a fortified line. But at the same time better to be mobile in a fortified line vs. open.

[Secadegas]

Remember that there are different types of defensive mulitpliers; vs. infantry, vs. vehicles ect. Some of which the fortified line doesn't modify, but fortified deployment does. (I can't remember which off the top of my head.)

So all in all it's better to be fortified, than just in mobile deployment in a fortified line. But at the same time better to be mobile in a fortified line vs. open.

True... even if sometimes beeing in fortified deployment in a fortified line is redundant for certain type of units (exactly for the reasons you just stated)


(Edit: clearly explained in the manual)