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Poor Old Spike
01 Aug 06, 18:01
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Poor Old Spike
01 Aug 06, 18:13
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Poor Old Spike
01 Aug 06, 18:27
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STOP PRESS NEWS! - The turn after the above pic, a grenade bundle came sailing gracefully out of the woods on the left courtesy of Iron Mike and killed one of my T-34's, but the other two reversed to safety. So the result of the action was one tank loss apiece..

Poor Old Spike
01 Aug 06, 18:56
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Poor Old Spike
02 Aug 06, 08:39
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Poor Old Spike
02 Aug 06, 12:06
LONE WOLF ATTACK - I DETACH A T-34 TO RACE AROUND THE FLANK TO BACKSTAB BERTRAMS MARDER, BUT WHEN HE ARRIVES I FIND THERE ARE TWO MARDERS THERE (gulp) MY FIRST SHOT MISSES, A MARDER FIRES BACK AND HITS, BUT MIRACULOUSLY I'M NOT SCRATCHED! MY T-34 THEN BLOWS IT UP..
MEANWHILE THE OTHER MARDER HAS GONE YELLER AND RUNS OUT ON HIS MATE BY AUTO-SLAMMING INTO REVERSE WITHOUT FIRING. BUT MY T-34 QUICKLY FINISHES HIM, HE CAN RUN BUT HE CAN'T HIDE..
(PS-they might have been Wespes, can't tell yet because of extreme fog-of-war)
(PPS - Elsewhere this turn Bertrams Nashorn just got a T-34 down in the ville before I got the Nashorn..)
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/CMmards1.jpg

Poor Old Spike
02 Aug 06, 18:25
INCIDENTALLY THIS WHOLE THREAD IS OPEN TO EVERYBODY, ANYBODY CAN READ IT INCLUDING ONGOING OPPONENTS, I'M KEWL ;)
And anybody feel free to add comments, I'm still kewl

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/aaaCMPOSWPC.jpg

timu24
02 Aug 06, 20:27
I think everyone is amazed by your destruction. =O
Tim

BRO Sapper
03 Aug 06, 07:41
Hey POS, I thought we were up for a game?

Poor Old Spike
03 Aug 06, 09:24
Hey BRO I mailed you my bocage map a couple of days ago to look at and asked if you want to play on it but I'm still waiting to hear back from you..
Maybe your spam filter or whatever blocked it because of the attachment?
And remind me again of your mail address, some people have addresses that are nothing like their screen-names and I have to scratch my head thinking "who the hell is this guy, Tom or Dick or Harry?" ;)

Poor Old Spike
03 Aug 06, 09:43
ROUND THE HOUSES - I send a "hunting pair" of Wolverines down into Red Devil's ville to sniff out his 3 x SPG's, but the first Wolv takes a shrek in the side from somewhere and never gets off the start line. Meanwhile the other Wolv slaloms down like a skiier and plays peekaboo again with the Hetzer to put a slug into his kidneys, but I don't know yet if he's kaput. His mates begin closing in on me like sharks..
Tac note - I admit it was reckless of me sending just two Wolvs into an enemy village that might be bristling with shreks and stuff, but Red Devil has only got 4 x SPG's on the field as far as I can tell, whereas I've got around double that number of Wolvs, so I can afford to lose heavier than him in a battle of attrition like this ;)
Stay tuned to this bat-channel for the outcome of the action, I'll edit a piece into this post later..
STOP PRESS NEWS! - yup, I killed the Hetzer deader'n hell! Red Devil didn't seem to like it though, he said to me in his next pbem mail - "I must say this is an interesting style of gaming you have, now I know why you wanted unrestricted setting.
I find it rather cheesy, but it is only a game, although I would have expected better of someone of your caliber. Carry on, enjoy it while it lasts"...


http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/CMm10.jpg

RedDevil (FGM)
03 Aug 06, 17:20
Any reason why you post a private email in a public forum?
That's as unethical as your tactics :OHNO:

BTW anyone have some reasons why my Squad can't move now that they've gotten next to Spike's M10?
http://www.theblitz.org/gallery/pos2.gif

Poor Old Spike
03 Aug 06, 17:49
Hey Red Devil, my guess is that you've got chronic sour grapes ;)
You specified "random rarity" for this game and I agreed even though I was a bit suspicious of your motives, maybe you were hoping to get Tigers on the cheap but it backfired on you because it lowered the price of my Wolverines and I spent to the hilt on them, ha ha ha :)
As regards private mail,I shall plaster anybody's on the net if they hint I'm gamey or cheating..
Hey feel free to post the mail I sent you today in which I said I'd gladly abandon this game if you think the map favours me in some way ;)
As for your squad, they just threw a grenade bundle and hit the Wolv but it survived, no wonder you're bellyaching ;)

RedDevil (FGM)
03 Aug 06, 18:02
Yeh that's it Spike old boy, I'm pressing sour grapes because of my lack of Tigers.. I also requested Combined arms, but you didn't follow thru on that part because it's against your gaming style I guess? LOL
I want to move my squad so you'll turn your turret away from my armor..oww my achin belly... LOL

Since you did the setup, perhaps you reset up with it enough to get those M-10s cheap and got a map to your liking. Hell, how would I know? :surprise:

If you want to spread manure, I'll get out of the way here as you're really slinging it. Got to hand it to ya, a real classic with no class.

I'll post your win here, you deserve it.

Ratzki
04 Aug 06, 03:49
Boys, ... boys,... play nice! Or someone will have to send you to your rooms. :blab:
That is why I made sure POS and I had an agreement with what kinda game we were gonna play, so there would be no suprises and no reason to yell foul, no matter what the outcome. That's why I hate that unrestricted type game, too many variables to try to plan for. So when I was back **TURKEY SHOOTIN' POS'S troops(notice the dig there, it might be a little hard to see, so I thought I would point it out:laugh: ) he could only cry softly to himself, and I would have had to do the same if the shoe was on the other foot. (But it wasn't :laugh: :laugh: )

Poor Old Spike
04 Aug 06, 18:47
Ratzki quote - That is why I made sure POS and I had an agreement with what kinda game we were gonna play, so there would be no suprises and no reason to yell foul, no matter what the outcome.
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Right mate, that's the way to do it :) When two players begin a game,it's no good one of them squawking "not fair" halfway through, and welching out!
Sometimes I wonder if this is a serious adult wargame club or a bleddy kindergarten :)
I wish more people were like 205, the map was against him but he took it like a man and never raised a murmur, so I never bothered reporting my win.
Hey, I see Red Devil (FGM) is now hinting I tweaked the setup in my favour behind his back, ha ha ha :)
(Between you and me I thought RD was on top in the game and I knew I'd have a helluva job beating him, so I was surprised when he started belly-aching. For example I launched a four-pack of Wolvs over the ridge at him but they took one look at his SPG's and popped smoke and reversed! How could I have won with such chickens?)
Anyway, I'm not abandoning the RD game, neither am I accepting the win if he's quitting, I'll be happy to continue it after he publicly withdraws his accusation that I've been tweaking..
I can only guess he's so obsessed with winning that its distorting his perspective..

Nemesis Lead
04 Aug 06, 19:16
Right mate, that's the way to do it :) When two players begin a game,it's no good one of them squawking "not fair" halfway through, and welching out!
Sometimes I wonder if this is a serious adult wargame club or a bleddy kindergarten :)

I agree with you Spike. If people agree to params....they should not complain when things don't go their way (although this whole debate is yet another shining example of why playing with Combined Arms is far less gamey).

Having said that:

One thing you should do is....if you define the params....your opponent should get to pick the side OR you should play two "mirrored" games where you swap sides.

Taktik mentioned that they params you outlined were biased towards the Russians. He is right. If you define params and your opponent picks the side then.....I don't see how anyone could ever complain.

Also--taking private debates and making them public is not good. Waleed once did this to me and it was annoying.

2054172
04 Aug 06, 20:01
I wish more people were like 205, the map was against him but he took it like a man and never raised a murmur, so I never bothered reporting my win.
..[/QUOTE]

We will see:hog: if your still a buddy after I whip your big pink ar$e? One on it's way Parameters ahead of game up for debate.:horse: :drink: :broccoli: :redapple: :vegguitar: :violin: :smoke:

Poor Old Spike
04 Aug 06, 20:23
And I forgot to mention 205's file return rate is Elite quality, we ripped through that game in no time..
Not bad for a canuck, it proves they obviously must take time off from seal-clubbing sometimes..

Ratzki
04 Aug 06, 20:45
That's why laptops are such a hit up here in the frozen north, you can get a few turns of CM out while you club seals and feed your dog team.:)

Lurker
04 Aug 06, 21:31
That's why laptops are such a hit up here in the frozen north, you can get a few turns of CM out while you club seals and feed your dog team.:) ..........:laugh:

RedDevil (FGM)
04 Aug 06, 22:28
Right mate, that's the way to do it :) When two players begin a game,it's no good one of them squawking "not fair" halfway through, and welching out!
Sometimes I wonder if this is a serious adult wargame club or a bleddy kindergarten :)

You posted my email, nothing in it says " not fair", don't go putting words in my mouth or twisting the story around now.


I wish more people were like 205, the map was against him but he took it like a man and never raised a murmur, so I never bothered reporting my win.
Hey, I see Red Devil (FGM) is now hinting I tweaked the setup in my favour behind his back, ha ha ha :) I'll be happy to continue it after he publicly withdraws his accusation that I've been tweaking..


Given your character disposition in leiu of recent postings, IMHO what's to say you don't manipulate things in your favor?


Anyway, I'm not abandoning the RD game, neither am I accepting the win if he's quitting,

Let's see in my email here..(which was PRIVATE at one time)

"I must say this is an interesting style of gaming you have, now I know why you wanted unrestricted setting.
I find it rather cheesy, but it is only a game, although I would have expected better of someone of your caliber
Carry on, enjoy it while it lasts"

NOPE.. I didn't see anything here that points to quitting, or sqawking "unfair"
It states you've got interesting tactics that I didn't know about beforehand and I thought were cheap, but since it's only a game, to carry on with it and enjoy your fun.

Let's see your email (which you GAVE me permission to post BTW)

Incidentally we can abandon this now and not register a result if you like mate, because I've just adopted a policy of sending my oppos a map for them to look at before every game so they can see if they like it first. We didn't do that, which is why we can pack this in now if you think the map favours me more than you :)

You're a twist it in your favor kinda guy there Spike?. I believe you're ready to quit this one, and it's time (in mid game of all times to squawk) to inform me of your new adopted policy and if I feel it favors you, to stop playing. Hrrrmmm


Seems you're not popular in many gaming circles? because you're not a serious wargamer? you're just a wannabe who sends predetermined setups that favor you from the get go. Then you get all honorable and don't post the games because it makes you look great in the eyes of the decieved. Sound like a complex ego issue to me, if you'd just play the game without rigging your setups and earn your wins and losses like the wargamers do you'd prolly be a decent challenge.


I can only guess he's so obsessed with winning that its distorting his perspective..
That's why I posted my loss to you, I'm so obsessed...
In reality I didn't figure you on much of an opponent I'd want to play after you
showed your true character by going public with my email and twisting things around in an saracastical manner. There's better people to play games with than your type.

Good gaming!

timu24
04 Aug 06, 22:58
Remember it is just a game...:rolleyes: ;)
Tim

Poor Old Spike
04 Aug 06, 22:59
Red Devil quote - Given your character disposition in leiu of recent postings, IMHO what's to say you don't manipulate things in your favor?
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Mate, go up to your room and manipulate yourself for a while will you, it'll do you the world of good.. ;)

2054172
04 Aug 06, 23:25
That's why laptops are such a hit up here in the frozen north, you can get a few turns of CM out while you club seals and feed your dog team.:)

How do you keep your batteries from freezing up? I have tried seal gut and whale blubber but my keys stick after awhile.:smoke:

RedDevil (FGM)
05 Aug 06, 10:23
Red Devil quote - Given your character disposition in leiu of recent postings, IMHO what's to say you don't manipulate things in your favor?
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Mate, go up to your room and manipulate yourself for a while will you, it'll do you the world of good.. ;)

That's about as "kiddygarten" a response as your signature, which has some obvious truth in the first line..

"It's out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with."

I'm done being dragged down to your level, you're just slaying me with your experience. I bow out to your superior social ineptitudes and call it a day here.

Palantir
05 Aug 06, 12:20
Private emails ARE private & not to be posted unless both involved agree. This should have been handled privately not on the forum. Disagreements between players should be between those players & not involve the forum.

Players should agree before hand on parameters so there are no questions.


Because I'm reaching my limit on NOT banning/restricting players, locking/deleting threads & onesided accusations...

But NOT to pick on Mick- please notice this below comment posted by POS that I use only as an example because I just read it.

"Anyway we began playing but I noticed odd things were happening, as if your tanks were materialising behind me out of nowhere like de-cloaking Klingon Birds of Prey even though I had spotters watching that approach.
I even half-jokingly asked you if you'd fitted your tanks with Klingon cloaking devices.."
Taken at face value this would equal the same level as the above mentioned "cheesy" reply. It suggests his opponent was somehow manipulating the game to his favor.

Strange things happen in games, players comment off-hand & those thing happen in a lot of games but there is no reason to post about them.

If a player states he playes one way, only one game system or with one set of parameters & has talked about it openly then there should be no surprise when that happens.

Personal snipes will come to an end in this forum: we're here to enjoy our hobby with others not carry out personal vendetta's.

2054172
05 Aug 06, 13:02
You woke him up and I think he's not happy.:nervous: :eek:

Poor Old Spike
05 Aug 06, 13:21
Hey Palantir I deleted that bit about Walp Nacht even before you expressed your disapproval of it, so I'd advise you to delete it from your post too ;)
See, I'm just a softie really..

RedDevil (FGM)
05 Aug 06, 13:31
Well that's just it, would you be happy if you just joined and responded to a game challenge.

Then,a few turns into the game you realize you've been "suckered" and let the player know in a PRIVATE email and in the next instant find it posted on a forum with comments that you're squawking or whining?

It's quite disturbing to know somethings like that prosper here. I hope it's not a common occurence, as I won't be here long and I wouldn't recommend it to my fellow gamers.

Poor Old Spike
05 Aug 06, 13:50
I began hanging at The Proving Grounds about a year ago when its membership was about 1900. Then I began posting tactical hints and tips and diagrams and playtest reports etc and its membership skyrocketed and currently stands at 4600.
I like to think I contribute in some small way to that sites success ;)

PS here's a post by Master Russian at TPG only this week, it illustrates the good vibes that permeate TPG, there are no sour-bellies there ;) -

"And in POS"s defense...he is the most active of all of us in playtesting!
He has tons of experience and freely gives his advice!
It is up to the designer to decide if he agrees with the assessment of the playtester or not. I sometimes am undecided about a comment, or suggestion ,that a playtester will make, and will wait for another playtest. I want to see if this is really something I need to look at or just a fluke of war.
So, while POS and I often cross swords here over various ranging subjects don't misunderstand my appreciation for the time and effort he puts into all of our hobby! AND I read every article and post he puts on this site!!! Because I often find tidbits that I can either use in my game or my designing to make my own gaming more enjoyable!
POS ur priceless!
Good Hunting.
MR"

Poor Old Spike
05 Aug 06, 20:04
EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED -
It's only turn 2 and 205's armoured car in the background topped a rise in the road, not expecting to see my spearhead anywhere near the flag yet. Bad call...
PS - I've told 205 that as soon as he starts killing my stuff i'll post shots of that too, the same applies to anybody else who kills my stuff..
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/CMwwcar.jpg

2054172
05 Aug 06, 20:58
I figured you were there and I sent him to see if your up to your old tactics.;) He was cannon fodder to me.:hush: :laugh: :smoke:

Palantir
06 Aug 06, 11:57
Hey Palantir I deleted that bit about Walp Nacht even before you expressed your disapproval of it, so I'd advise you to delete it from your post too.

1. I commented on it while it was still up for everyone to read.
2. No.
3. Since this thread has RD's private email comment in it & it was not deleted the use of your post as an example of what not to do stays.

4. Personal attacks etc. are not tolerated here nor will they ever be a common occurance. We are here to discuss CM & related topics.

Poor Old Spike
06 Aug 06, 14:25
Palantir mate, as soon as I set foot in this forum a few weeks ago you've let the :censored: sourbellies call me every name under the sun (gamey, cheesy, tweaker etc) and I'm beginning to wonder who runs this site, you or them?
There was even a poll asking "should POS be banned?" :)
In fact I'm beginning to wonder why I seem to be wasting my time supporting this site with stunning tac diagrams and stuff..
Hey Jesus what's your advice for me? -
"If any place will not welcome you or listen to you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave, as a testimony against them" (Mark 6:11)

Palantir
06 Aug 06, 15:24
Because I've been with this site nearly forever (but not nessessarily meaning I'll be here forever), I've seen a lot & know what we want at this site.

I'm tied of the crud that's starting to go on across the board & NOT by just one person, and some members thinking this is becoming a free-fire zone without "LEADERSHIP" I post below.

Mick, I will post & tell you & everyone else whats been happening- you've been an excellent member with great threads, tactic's, etc. since your return and more than one member has posted as such including me.

More importantly you have dealt with / responded to annoying posts with such aplomb that I felt you had dealt with the problem better than I could have (member self-policing).

It is true your "Full-speed ahead" style has ruffled a few feathers but that's nothing others should squawk about- others before you have been like this as well so it should be water under the bridge by now.

As far as the "ban POS" question- you jumped right in and wanted a vote to see who should go first, etc. So again you handled the "problem" without me having to. (But that was all BEFORE & not now).

We've gone over the "POS tweaking" issue before & dealt with that. You are handling that (without MOD's stepping in) by taking on various games vs other SZO members to prove that you don't just play "one para" setting games. What do you want me to do, tell everyone they have to play you when you're handling it perfectly well yourself?

I believe you think everyone here is out to "get you" when in reality everyone just wants everyone else including you to relax and enjoy playing CM. Unlike other CM sites/forums this one is laid back: no requirements on # of games played & no requirment to play on the ladder or in a tournament (unless you want to). Plus offensive language / posts are not tolerated AT ALL.

So-
I let some "things" slide along if I think the players themselves are handling an issue and sometimes dozens of posts are made before I pop in to read ALL of them. (Which is a reason I asked for help in the forum).

This is foremost a members forum not a Moderators forum. We have no agenda to carry out or goal except to provide a nice comfortable & respectful place to come, play & discuss CM. I've stated before this is YOUR (the players) forum, what you make of it is up to you. (Which goes back to the self-policing deal).

And if anyone lets one player destroy a site for them well...
The Mod's will do their best to halt that problem when it occurs.

If this stuff continues we will begin to impliment temporary bans or restricting a players posts to being APPROVED BEFORE being posted. "Cheap-shots" are not allowed either & will be edited.

I appreciate all the Emails, PM's & posts I get from players about concerns , problems etc. about the forum. But please remember that I see everything from only one perspective mine. What might bother you I might not see at all unless you tell me!

Lurker
06 Aug 06, 15:32
Excellent post Kerry. :thumup:

2054172
06 Aug 06, 15:41
Poor Old Spike..... Poor Old Spike.....Don't take offence when none is intended. You have done great since you came back from the first time here. I at first didn't care for you but have since come to enjoy you Pics and commentary. Most of all you have shown your self to be a sportman par none in our games which I am still enjoying.
It would be a lost to see you leave,or quit posting. I wish more members would post and use all the SZO Forum to it's fullest measure. Everyone oppion is important no matter the issue.
Kerry is right and I have come to learn alot from his style of leadership. I believe that we as CM members are a cut above the average citizians, of this globe. We can police ourselves to a point and we should but as with myself and others we at times get carried away in emotions and stubborness. I for one have been there and done that.

jdsu
06 Aug 06, 16:31
Palantir - that was an excellant post. Says it all.

I'm relatively new to this forum/ladder. I'm glad to say that it's members (including POS) and the message board with your style of leadership have convinced me to stay.

And yah, sometimes in the heat of the momment certain boundaries will be crossed. Hopefully, lesson learned or eddicts followed and we all carry on.

Feathers gets ruffled at times, but Big boys are big boys they will shrug it off.

Ratzki
06 Aug 06, 16:35
POS, you have no problems from me, I too enjoy the posts and informative information that you put out there. It takes all kinds to make a community, some you will and some you will not get along with.

Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Jesus saith unto him, "I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven."
ST. MATTHEW 18 v. 21-22

British Tommy
06 Aug 06, 18:51
LOL! :laugh:
Well old spike has hit this message board with his usual style. I have been sat here following all the different threads with slight amusement.
You got to hand it to him, he really know how to play the game inside out. He has certainly ruffled a few feathers here (and also at the Proving Grounds!) and no doubt where ever he visits a CM message board but he can back up his boasts and isn't afraid to play anyone.
I can imagine him typing out some of his messages with tongue firmly in cheek! :devious:
His tactics work (I know as I tried selected ones myself) and his screenshots are interesting (but maybe not for his opponent!:mad: ).
Without old spiker (or old spice as someone called him) this message board would be a lot quieter :hush: and the CM community would miss him if he moved onto another game.
Maybe someone should challenge him to play a scenario and not a QB next time? :bite:

Neilm85uk
07 Aug 06, 05:31
I would like to apologise if any of my posts breached any of the boards rules. I shall return to a policy handed down by my dear old mum, 'if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing.'

Edited to say:

She did add a caveat 'except if its 2054938567418 in which case flame him 'til he's crispy.'

mangus2000
07 Aug 06, 16:47
I would just like to thank POS for all the informative ARRs and valuable tests that I'm sure we have all found to be very useful, keep up the good work:thumup:

Bertram
08 Aug 06, 00:05
You've certainly put in some hours and shared valuable information we can all use. Thank you very much!:cool:

Victor Charlie
08 Aug 06, 02:44
Kerry nice post there!

I just want to add my 2 cents about the issues/fears some player have about the ‘unrestricted’ setting. If my opponent wants that it says only one thing to me: They are going to buy LOTS of armour! Unless the map is heavily wooded or a city what else are you going to buy!? To say its gamey or unrealistic (not that its been said in this thread) is just not thinking about your opponents plans/intentions for the game.

Geordie
12 Aug 06, 18:36
My tuppence would be a case of 6 of one half a dozen of the other. I believe if you take a game, you should finish playing it and if you think your opponent is somehow being gamey, simply never play them again. I see no need to add any negative comments in a PBEM turn and never have. I also think that private emails are just that and shouldnt be used for any reasons unless the other party agrees.

Like all things in life, a little common sense needs to be applied.

jdsu
12 Aug 06, 18:55
I have asked - sometimes during the TCP game, sometimes in an email, why someone did something that I wasn't expecting. I don't immediately jump to conclusions that it is gamey, nor do I believe everyone should play like I play. If the answer is not satisfactory, just finish the game and never play them again.

I agree that unrestricted means just that, modified by any ground rules set beforehand.

In AK, the combined arms force generally should win. In BB, a heavy armor force can carry the day.