View Full Version : (COMPLETE!) Round 2 stats and lineups
Here are the rankings, not in numerical order. The 28 listed pass into round 2, and my apologies to the rest, but you weren't able to make the cut this time 'round!
Allied OV avg = 129/-129
Axis OV avg = 132/-132
Axis MV avg = 17/-17
Sturlugur 176 /(132) 308 #1
RavenStrike 176/14 190 #2
LaszloNemedi (Sub.) -168/1 -167 #3 (ER_Chaser (129)/(132) 261 #3 WITHDRAWS)
JLBetin 174 /150 324 #4
Dagger5 (129)/126 255 #5
CyberGeneral 121/113 234 #6
WestPointer -14/161 147 #7 (WITHDRAWS)
Joebob (129)/13 142 #8
Skyvon (INCOMPLETE SCORE) #9 (Deconman 127/-51 76 #9 WITHDRAWS)
Foggy -108/126 18 #10
Xandamere 62/(132) 194 #11 (WITHDRAWN)
Antoni34 (129)/140 269 #12
Chuck Draw/167 167 #13
Southern Dandy 51/17 68 #14
Alf -126/(132) 6 #15
Brevet 122/110 232 #16 (WITHDRAWS)
MikeJ 177/168 345 #17
Fading Captain (129)/36 165 #18
Tiberius 165/98 263 #19
06Maestro 147/108 255 #20
Mensch (129)/17 146 #21
Bruce -17/Draw -17 #22
Boromir (129)/-147 -18 #23
Redstorm -113/17 -96 #24
LaPalice -13/-62 -75 #25
Sergeant Major 49/-165 -116 #26
Keef -1/(-129) -130 #27
Tigersqn -17/-121 -138 #28
Congrats to all that made it to round two!
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This is the list of players that didn't make the cut for this round.
John Paul -17/-122 -139
Hairball (-132)/(-129) -261
Triaxe (-132)/-177 -309
Vindex -150/(-129) -279
Ranger BooBoo -110/-176 -286
LaszloNemedi -168/1 -167 (bumped up to player#3, sub for ER_Chaser)
Jamiam -36/(-129) -165
Hawkeye -98/-174 -272
Touchdown -126/-49 -175
Liveline99 (-132) /(-129) -261
Skyvon (INCOMPLETE SCORE) (bumped up to player#9, sub for Deconman)
Faramir -167 /-176 -343
Viridomaros -161/-127 -288
Cyrus (-132)/(-129) -261
Use the #value given above to determine your player number, and who your opponent will be for round 2.
The first number is side 1, the second number is side 2.
1 21
2 12
3 13
4 14
5 15
6 26
8 18
9 19
10 20
12 22
13 23
14 24
15 25
17 27
18 28
19 1
20 2
21 3
22 4
23 5
24 6
25 17
26 8
27 9
28 10
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Please keep us up to date on your progress through the tourney!
Brent has requested that every fifth turn, you contact him at brent_layman@yahoo.com, and provide:
1. The turn you are on
2. The German VP points - German losses + Allied losses
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ER_Chaser
16 Nov 03, 23:27
sorry for first replying by this kind of message here:
:(
Shane, can you do me a favor by letting me drop out of round 2? Because these days I really do not have enough time to cover all the games I asked for ... (too much time on CMBB .. so many TOAW games are put off ... cannot handle new ones any more... unless extremely simple ones... MG44 is too complicated..) So is it possible to let me drop out and put two of my assigned opponents to each other (i.e., #21 mensch vs. #13 Chuck ) so that nothing need to be fundmentally changed for the whole tourney? Thanks a lot and sorry for this late and stupid decision :p
:hail:
No, put a sub in for ER, some fresh meat would be nice.
No, put a sub in for ER, some fresh meat would be nice.
Lol
:devious:
Menschenfresser
17 Nov 03, 10:41
Let me get this straight:
If ER is quitting, then we dip again into the subs, which as seems, Jamiam is the 2nd runner up? Didn't he quit the tourney? So he quit and still made second runner up?
Man, what a f**king bad ass!
:ar15:
"If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve."
Chuck, can I borrow your old avatar, who had the wisdom to utter that wonderful quote?
Laszlo Nemedi -168/1 -167 (bumped up to player#3, sub for ER_Chaser)
I've editted the list above to reflect the changes. Good luck, and congrats, Laszlo!
I also think I'll hold off on the bonus ladder points, perhaps until the end of the tourney. It's a p.i.t.a. to go modifying stuff after it's done...
Touchdown -126/-49 -175 (bumped up to player#9, sub for Deconman)
I've again editted the list; and once again, congrats and best of luck to Touchdown!
(Which just convinces me even more that I'm glad I decided not to do bonus points yet :D )
Round two will end on Jan 31st.
That provides enough time to complete all 20 turns at a rate of 2 turns/week, with a few days left over for good measure. There is a possibility of a single extension due to the Christmas break, but after that point all games will be tallied, regardless of their status.
laszlo.nemedi
17 Nov 03, 15:54
Thanks Mantis...
Do we have enough subs remained? :p
laszlo.nemedi
17 Nov 03, 15:57
Just curious, do you know something about Xandamere? (Sub??)
Southern Dandy
17 Nov 03, 15:58
Just a question, which will indicate just how closely I've studied the round two scenario....
Is the sscenario programmed to end after turn 20, or is there the likelihood that some of us will have games going a couple of turns beyond that?
And then another question directed mostly at Mantis....
How likely is an extension? Depending on the answer, I may have to reconsider my participation in round two, due to real-life issues that I have mentioned to my opponents and to yourself, superior sir! :D
That's it for my questions for now....other than to comment that I wasn't sure which of the threads regarding round two to post this in....maybe under that "Persia" thread in the EA forum..... :cheeky:
John
Menschenfresser
17 Nov 03, 16:01
I have Xandamere as an opponent too...no word (or turn) yet from him.
Laszlo, expect turn one tonight!
laszlo.nemedi
17 Nov 03, 16:16
Ummmm, pizza...
I knew it... (it will be pizza with pepperoni... :rolleyes:
I knew it... (it will be pizza with pepperoni... :rolleyes:
Pizza with everything? :eek:
"If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve."
...., who had the wisdom to utter that wonderful quote?
LBJ ?
ER_Chaser
17 Nov 03, 18:38
LoL ... 3 old friends then :D ... good luck to all of you :devil:
(although apparently impossible :D )
LBJ ?
Boy!!! I'm easily thrown off-track aren't I??
:D
I have Xandamere as an opponent too...no word (or turn) yet from him.
Laszlo, expect turn one tonight!
There is also a two week old thread about a missing Xandamere. I think he (and others like him) should get an email warning and a set response time before their opponents are re-assigned.
-Tiberius - the devil's advocate. :freak:
Menschenfresser
17 Nov 03, 22:56
Hehe...it's looking more and more like advancing into round two is more a matter of choice than performance.
Maybe we just oughtta skip this Market Garden trash and move on to round three. :cheeky:
I don't believe everyone will win as the Allies. There will be some losses. Who's taking bets?
laszlo.nemedi
18 Nov 03, 00:53
I don't believe everyone will win as the Allies. There will be some losses. Who's taking bets?
I am taking your bets. :p
I also have some concerns with my round 2 opponents not responding to my 16 November correspondence (to include my Allied first turn). However, it's only been a couple of days . . .
So Alf and Boromir, if you're out there and just haven't had time to respond, my apologies. I'll stand by.
On the other hand, if you do not intend to participate in round 2, please indicate such to me via email or post it here on this thread.
Thanks!
CyberRanger
18 Nov 03, 06:33
There is also a two week old thread about a missing Xandamere. I think he (and others like him) should get an email warning and a set response time before their opponents are re-assigned.
-Tiberius - the devil's advocate. :freak:
I have a game going with Xandamere. He's failed to responsed for over 6 weeks and counting. I'd consider him AWOL and plug in the sub!
At this point I vote to have drop-outs opponents re-directed to each other. Too many more subs and the round 1 results will be so diluted as to be meaningless.
laszlo.nemedi
18 Nov 03, 09:07
At this point I vote to have drop-outs opponents re-directed to each other. Too many more subs and the round 1 results will be so diluted as to be meaningless.
I think it is not fair to other boys in the round one losers.
So I think we can use them as subs, or no subs allowed (even me).
Mantis! which way to go?
Damn, maybe all the subs will get to play!
Damn, maybe all the subs will get to play!
Wow...for just a brief second, I thought I was in Madame Eva's Dungeon... :devil:
Sturlungur
18 Nov 03, 11:39
Damn, maybe all the subs will get to play!
:D And all the Top Brass have evacuated :nuts:
Just curious, do you know something about Xandamere? (Sub??)
I'll drop him a quick email now. If we don't hear back in a couple of days, we'll sub him.
Argh - I don't have all the mail guff installed yet. Can someone else send him an email about this, and please post back here about it? Thanks.
I have Xandamere as an opponent too...no word (or turn) yet from him.
Laszlo, expect turn one tonight!
Both you and Chuck should (please!) send him a quick email about this round. Let me know how it goes.
I was just pondering the sub question as I caught up on the rest of the thread. From now on, I believe we'll just 'dis-include' people, and their two opponents can match each other up.
Skip emailing Xandamere. Chuck and Mench (iirc) can play each other. Anyone that cannot make contact with their opponent please post here to that effect.
... From now on, I believe we'll just 'dis-include' people, and ...
Scary...he's even starting to talk like them... :D
Skip emailing Xandamere. Chuck and Mench (iirc) can play each other. Anyone that cannot make contact with their opponent please post here to that effect.
What about Mr. Pizza?
Menschenfresser
18 Nov 03, 13:58
*&@#$()&
Crap, I already emailed Xandamere. I first sent turn one to ER, who quit. Then I sent turn one to Laszlo, who apparently isn't my opponent anymore (hope he knows that too and doesn't waste his time on my turn). And now I have to send Chuck a turn.
:nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts:
Also what about this Boromir guy? Oddly his email address looks like the same one Faramir uses. Someone wrote before he might be AWOL too. We will have to wait and see I guess.
No, current subs (that have already been included) are still in the round. Just no new subs.
Also what about this Boromir guy? Oddly his email address looks like the same one Faramir uses. Someone wrote before he might be AWOL too. We will have to wait and see I guess.
2 days. Then he's out. I've wondered about that email thing myself, but to each his own. I didn't register either of them, before my time... ;)
*&@#$()&
Crap, I already emailed Xandamere. I first sent turn one to ER, who quit. Then I sent turn one to Laszlo, who apparently isn't my opponent anymore (hope he knows that too and doesn't waste his time on my turn). And now I have to send Chuck a turn.
:nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts:
So yes, Laszlo is still your opponent.
Besides, if it all keeps going like this, you and Chuck will end up playing it out for first... :laugh:
laszlo.nemedi
18 Nov 03, 15:34
So yes, Laszlo is still your opponent.
No, you said not! (nothing wrong with it, you sub or notsub that is the question)...
laszlo.nemedi
18 Nov 03, 15:36
*&@#$()&
Crap, I already emailed Xandamere. I first sent turn one to ER, who quit. Then I sent turn one to Laszlo, who apparently isn't my opponent anymore (hope he knows that too and doesn't waste his time on my turn). And now I have to send Chuck a turn.
...
I am not a blindly do it first type of guy :cool:
laszlo.nemedi
18 Nov 03, 15:37
What about Mr. Pizza?
Ohh, someone miss me in the other side of Earth :cry:
Ohh, someone miss me in the other side of Earth :cry:
Actually I thought you'd be a easy victory because you are a sub. Then I saw on the ladder that you only lost to JAMiAM and MikeJ. So you actually might be good, who knows... ;)
laszlo.nemedi
18 Nov 03, 16:22
Actually I thought you'd be a easy victory because you are a sub. Then I saw on the ladder that you only lost to JAMiAM and MikeJ. So you actually might be good, who knows... ;)
I've just reported my victory against Raver (maybe in an unbalanced scen, but it is OV anyhow :coolban: ). But I don't know if I am in the middle class or only a cannon fodder still :cry: and maybe I won't know it :cry:
To the round 2: I think it is not good to use subs, it is even shorten the tourney...
No, Laszlo, you're in. I didn't say no subs at all, I said no more subs after this point. So we still need you! (now go and kick Chuck's butt!) The comment about no subs at all was from a user, not from me!
laszlo.nemedi
19 Nov 03, 00:58
Skip emailing Xandamere. Chuck and Mench (iirc) can play each other. Anyone that cannot make contact with their opponent please post here to that effect.
Mantis: here is you said. I was to play Chuck and Mensch...
I'm pretty sure he is just misremembering who was to be redirected. You are for sure in l.n
laszlo.nemedi
19 Nov 03, 01:45
I'm pretty sure he is just misremembering who was to be redirected. You are for sure in l.n
OK, I hope I could help Chuck and Mensch to get to the round 3
Sturlungur
19 Nov 03, 08:08
Skip emailing Xandamere. Chuck and Mench (iirc) can play each other. Anyone that cannot make contact with their opponent please post here to that effect.
:o This is getting to be very similar to another thread I've just read. :confused:
Let's see. I'm just now squeking out my first turn as the Allies having sent my reply to Tiberius.
Just to find out that I should play Xandamere - or was it a sub - or was it Chuck - or Mench - them both combined??? :nuts:
Mantis. Help pleease. You're so good in expaining things. :love:
Menschenfresser
19 Nov 03, 08:22
Join the crowd!
I'm laying down the first tracks for a new blues song entitled:
"I'm waitin' on my allied turn"
:whist:
Sturlunger I think you're supposed to play Mensh as Xandamere's foes have been redirected toward each other.
TOuchdown are you still there as a sub.? I am waiting for allied move from you. If you don't have the move ready just drop me a line or a post so I know you're there.
Mantis could you update the second post of this thread as to who has been redirected? Only the three lucky subs already listed in post 1 made it right? All new drop-outs are re-directed opponents?
I have German move back from Sturlunger. Struggling to keep Allied pace fast.
The first page doesn't show anyone replacing Xandamere. So #1 has to play #21 now.
Hi happy taxpayers :D
With Bruce we are going on turn03, and Southern Dandy, is going to post his german turn01 tonight
That's a comfortable situation isn't it ??. I like those turns going fluently :D
Der WanderPlayerYouKnowI'mHappy
I just sent my first turn as Allies to Westpointer. And I wait Alf's first turn to move my Germans.
Things start well, but I am not sure I have taken the good option with the airbornes. We will see...
LaPalice.
I'm pretty sure he is just misremembering who was to be redirected. You are for sure in l.n
Thank you! That is exactly the case.
Sturlunger I think you're supposed to play Mensh as Xandamere's foes have been redirected toward each other.
Correct!Mantis could you update the second post of this thread as to who has been redirected? Only the three lucky subs already listed in post 1 made it right? All new drop-outs are re-directed opponents?
? The second post in this thread is from ER. But I've changed the lineup to reflect Xanadamere being out.
To clarify!
Only 3 subs have been assigned:
LaszloNemedi (Sub.) -168/1 -167 #3 (ER_Chaser (129)/(132) 261 #3 WITHDRAWS)
Touchdown (Sub.) -126/-49 -175 #9 (Deconman 127/-51 76 #9 WITHDRAWS)
John Paul (Sub.) -17/-122 -139 #16 (Brevet 122/110 232 #16 WITHDRAWS)
One player withdrawn:
Xandamere 62/(132) 194 #11 (WITHDRAWN)
I have removed Xandamere's #11 from the lineup list at the beginning of this thread, and his two opponents, Sturl and Mensch have had their game redirected against each other. The lineup reflects this.
All dropouts from this point onwards will see their opponents redirected, exactly as outlined above, and shown in the lineup itself.
Menschenfresser
19 Nov 03, 14:09
Alles klar!
Sturlunger, ich warte auf deine Allierten! :cheeky:
Mantis,
No word yet from Alf or Boromir. Have their other opponents (Chuck and LaPalice) heard anything yet? If not, recommend you consider "redirecting" me to Chuck and LaPalice.
WHOA!!!! I just looked and I LOST the game? ERROR ERROR ERROR
I WON the only D-Day match I played with a final score of 270!
I sent several emails detaling this.
Whats going on here?
:mad:
I see the problem here, you gave Antoni the win in our game and he actually lost.
I've been out-of-town on business since Nov 1st and unable to access this page (stuck on the @!%&!@ company intranet) otherwise I would of spoke-up immediately.
Just put him in as a sub... there are enough spots.
I sent Touchdown an email to remind him of his status as a player and it was bounced by earthlink as junk mail.
TOuchdown are you out there?
If TD doesn't respond soon can I have a new opponent?
Menschenfresser
21 Nov 03, 10:44
Laszlo, did you receive the turn I sent you?
Sturlunger, are you out there?
Just wanna make sure before several more days pass. Drop me an email: menschenfresser@rcn.com
Thanks.
laszlo.nemedi
21 Nov 03, 11:07
Laszlo, did you receive the turn I sent you?
Sturlunger, are you out there?
Just wanna make sure before several more days pass. Drop me an email: menschenfresser@rcn.com
Thanks.
Got. will process tomorrow...
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To my opponents Chuck and Dagger5.
I'm in the middle of my essay season and I've been overloaded with work and will be for the next week or so. Soon after that I've exams so I'll be busy for the next little while.
But after that I'll have nothing but time to play Market Garden.
I'll do my best to get some turns out however.
Cheers
2 days. Then he's out. I've wondered about that email thing myself, but to each his own. I didn't register either of them, before my time... ;)
Hate to be the devil's advocate again :freak:
Boromir _has_ shown up albeit one day late. I vote he is in.
Touchdown is going on 5 days since he was instated as a sub. and no contact. He even has his own thread. I vote one week of no response and out.
I've been working with Skyvon in regards to the posting error. I don't have the time to check through the database to find the game report at the moment, but we'll handle it like this - Alf and Touchdown will be given 'til Monday morning to respond. If they don't, they're out, and Skyvon will replace one of them, with the other having his opponents redirected.
Fair enough?
(Pat - again, apologies for the screw up, but 'm not sure where it came into being. I followed all the results from the WitW page to do the scores and rankings, and since no one crucified me, I'm assuming that I didn't make any errors based on the info that's there. At any rate, we'll get you back in here, and straighten everything out!)
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I'll do my best to get some turns out however.
Cheers
Good enough! Try to stay within the timeframes we've laid out for round 2, Boromir. Good luck!
ER_Chaser
22 Nov 03, 14:09
heheh.... it is entertaining to see this big insect head knocking all around like crazy :devil:
thanks for the hard work, man! :hail: :)
'Tis my pleasure.
(No, really... :cheeky: )
Sorry, I'm confused about this tourney. Are we playing mirror games or what? Who's my next opponent, and why isn't any torney info in this site? Put this straight for me will you.
ER_Chaser
23 Nov 03, 09:03
(A student late for about 35 minutes to class ... jumped into the classroom)
(in classroom, other students and professor were discussing in heat)
Late student: Hey, you guys! What are you talking about? I do not get a clue... hey hey
(no one answered yet, and there were a whole mess on the blackboard, equations, graphs..etc.., the late one stared at it for a while..)
Late student: nah, this makes no sense, why do not you guys put on a good summary so that *everybody* understand what you are doing here??!
:devil:
Sorry, I'm confused about this tourney. Are we playing mirror games or what? Who's my next opponent, and why isn't any torney info in this site? Put this straight for me will you.
Check the first page of this thread. All the rounds are mirror rounds.
YOur results are shown in post one as well your numerical 'ID' The matchups for round two are shown on post two. The scenario is Market Garden from the CD.
Not strictly mirror in the truest sense of the word - you play 2 games, one as each side, but your opponents are different.
(Pat - again, apologies for the screw up, but 'm not sure where it came into being. I followed all the results from the WitW page to do the scores and rankings, and since no one crucified me, I'm assuming that I didn't make any errors based on the info that's there. At any rate, we'll get you back in here, and straighten everything out!)
I tried to post on the WitW page but the email link goes to you...thats why you got my final results twice. I thought I asked for his (Mr. WitW) email...maybe I didn't.
In either case, can I please have his email addy so that this doesn't happen again :)
I tried to post on the WitW page but the email link goes to you...thats why you got my final results twice. I thought I asked for his (Mr. WitW) email...maybe I didn't.
In either case, can I please have his email addy so that this doesn't happen again :)
There's a link to the war in the west site and sitrep request email buried deep in some thread somewhere. I added the thread to my favorites list but I would never be able to find it by hand now. Maybe these links could be added to the top of this thread?
Please keep us up to date on your progress through the tourney!
Brent has requested that every fifth turn, you contact him at brent_layman@yahoo.com, and provide:
1. The turn you are on
2. The German VP points - German losses + Allied losses
(The above is also at the end of the very first post in this thread!)
Brent - I copy and pasted your turn/points request directly from your thread about this in round 1, so if you would prefer to change the wording, the email addy, etc; let me know and I'll modify things accordingly.
**Edit ** - I updated the text in the above post based on your round two page. Let me know if there are any other changes.
Touchdown has been relieved as a sub for Deconman, and replaced by Skyvon, who was a sub in round one, and earned the same VP total as MikeJ did as the Allies. In essence, he scored a 'partial' tie for highest score in round 1, but it's not official, as he only played the one game. The way that the scoring went, he would have made round 2 regardless of the outcome of his second game, so I'm quite happy to slot him back in.
So, to Skyvon and his two opponents, let the carnage begin!
(Final note - I've corrected the lineups in the initial post in this thread, so everything here is up-to-date. Brent will let us know when he's updated the webpage, so please remember if you ever see any discrepancies in the lineup, that sometimes the WitW tourney page might not be as up to date as this thread!)
CyberRanger
24 Nov 03, 08:51
(Final note - I've corrected the lineups in the initial post in this thread, so everything here is up-to-date. Brent will let us know when he's updated the webpage, so please remember if you ever see any discrepancies in the lineup, that sometimes the WitW tourney page might not be as up to date as this thread!)
War in the West (http://www.west-point.org/users/usma1987/44419/toaw-1.htm) page has been updated. I think the player list is fairly stable now so I'll start making it "pretty"!
I'd like to congratulate Brent on the birth of his daughter! (Mantis passes around virtual cigars on Brent's behalf) :coolban: :hail: :clap: :thumup: :joy: :bounce:
The sad news is that Brent's previous commitments, coupled with the extra quality time he's spending with his wife and new addition, have necessitated his withdrawl from round two of the tourney.
His opponents (LaPalice and MikeJ, iirc) are now lined up against each other. The first post in this thread has been updated accordingly.
CyberRanger
25 Nov 03, 11:05
I'd like to congratulate Brent on the birth of his daughter! (Mantis passes around virtual cigars on Brent's behalf) .
Thanks to all! Babies are truly wonderful but I forgot how much time they take up! That, combined with other TOAW activities I need to complete, made me decide it was unfair to my opponents to limp along through my games. Good luck to everyone!
I'd like to congratulate Brent on the birth of his daughter! (Mantis passes around virtual cigars on Brent's behalf)
Don't you know virtual cigars may be virtually bad for your virtual health? :D
Congratulations Brent! I am a recent new father myself it's a great thing.
Thanks too for 'taking one for the team' and going ahead with the webpage at the sacrifice of your game. We all really appreciate it.
CyberRanger
26 Nov 03, 07:44
Thanks too for 'taking one for the team' and going ahead with the webpage at the sacrifice of your game. We all really appreciate it.
My pleasure!
A few game updates have been posted plus the first VICTORY!
War in the West (http://www.west-point.org/users/usma1987/44419/toaw-1.htm#round2)
btw - I don't need the game file. Just the german points for objectives + allied loss penality - german loss penality.
Thanks!
email to brent_layman@yahoo.com
laszlo.nemedi
26 Nov 03, 13:10
Congrat Westpointer!
Is it allowed to surrender? How will be the point calculated?
(in the list Boromir showed 3 times, twice is the normal...)
CyberRanger
26 Nov 03, 14:01
Congrat Westpointer!
Is it allowed to surrender? How will be the point calculated?
(in the list Boromir showed 3 times, twice is the normal...)
Thanks! And thanks for catching the extra Boromir ... one of those should have been Redstorm. I made the correction.
btw - I don't need the game file.
Neither do I. We won't require any save game files from now on, but please do keep them until the next round begins, in case we need to have a peek at anything.
Congrat Westpointer!
Is it allowed to surrender? How will be the point calculated?
(in the list Boromir showed 3 times, twice is the normal...)
The winner in a forfeit will receive an OV, and will be awarded the average points received by all players for that same side (Axis/Allies) that also scored an OV.
The winner in a forfeit will receive an OV, and will be awarded the average points received by all players for that same side (Axis/Allies) that also scored an OV.
Average, really? I feel a forfeit coming on Laszlo... :D
John Paul was a sub for Brevet (#16), but is non-responsive. I'm bumping him back down to the list of users that didn't make the cut for round two. Brevet's original two opponents, Cyber General and Sergeant Major, are redirected against each other.
The first post in this thread detailing the lineup has been editted to refect these changes.
laszlo.nemedi
27 Nov 03, 00:29
We can say surrender will be a forfeit to the winner, because everyone else will get higher number.
(If the first turn is good by the allied this scenario is end up overwhelming victory... So it is not a well-balanced scenario. That's why it is important this surrender thing.)
CyberRanger
27 Nov 03, 09:49
John Paul was a sub for Brevet (#16), but is non-responsive. I'm bumping him back down to the list of users that didn't make the cut for round two. Brevet's original two opponents, Cyber General and Sergeant Major, are redirected against each other.
The first post in this thread detailing the lineup has been editted to refect these changes.
War in the West (http://www.west-point.org/users/usma1987/44419/toaw-1.htm#round2) updated to reflect this change.
RavenStrike
27 Nov 03, 11:02
I agree with Laszlo, a surrender calculated as an average OV is just not reasonable. The surrender is probably happening because the opponent is doing better than an average OV, especially if the surrender occurs early in the game. What will you do if the VP total at the time of surrender is greater than the average OV?
Yes, my vote would be to give winners of surrender games _maximum_ points for OV. Or possibly even maximum possible points. Perhaps points for all the objectives on map.
How about 0 points for the loser?
How about 0 points for the loser?
That goes without saying. Of course we are talking one side VPs not differential.
That goes without saying. Of course we are talking one side VPs not differential.
Which side? Very confusing.
Which side? Very confusing.
I was talking about the German or Allied VPs. i.e. if the Germans surrendered they would get no VPs. If it was a differential system they would get negative VPs. Since it doesn't sound like we are going with differential but rather total VPs for each side reporting the Germans would get zero and the allies would get some positive # total.
I was talking about the German or Allied VPs. i.e. if the Germans surrendered they would get no VPs. If it was a differential system they would get negative VPs. Since it doesn't sound like we are going with differential but rather total VPs for each side reporting the Germans would get zero and the allies would get some positive # total.
Are we counting loss VPs in this and if so, of both sides?
What about draws? Maybe this has been posted already, but I would seem to have missed it.
Westpoint said it's German VP - German losses + Allied Losses. However this only give the German VP. Does the Allied player get points too? Very confusing.
CyberRanger
27 Nov 03, 16:21
Westpoint said it's German VP - German losses + Allied Losses. However this only give the German VP. Does the Allied player get points too? Very confusing.
I "think" so. The Allied calculation would be Allied VP's - Allied losses + German losses.
For reporting purposes, I've only ask for the German total to give us all a feel for how the games are progressing.
At the end of each game, I guess I need to know Allied & German vp points and Allied and German loss penalities. I plan to add a table to the web page that shows each players score for his two games.
The tricker part is what score to give in a forfeit. We could just give the winner all the objective points but how is the loss penality handled? I think that's why Mantis is going to use the average of the OV scores in a surrender situation.
It should be setup so there is much incentive for the German player to continue playing.
And also why I strongly discourage surrendering. I've allowed it in a couple of special cases, where it was discussed with me beforehand, but I'd prefer if everyone played this out to the end. If you dig out the original post in round one where I said surrendering was not allowed, you'll see the rationale is the VP system getting fouled up.
So please, no surrenders or requests for such unless you feel you have a good reason.
And yes, both sides score VPs.
It should be setup so there is much incentive for the German player to continue playing.
This was all considered when I started planning the tourney. If you find the original threads talking about this tourney, you'll notice that I said no surrendering (as outlined above) and there were also penalties to be levvied if someone dropped out without a good reason. They would be banned from joining the next WFHQ tourney. But the way this one is going, I won't be able to have another tourney if I do that to everyone, so I guess that rule will have to be suspended.
CyberRanger
27 Nov 03, 16:33
Victory calculation (http://www.warfarehq.com/forums/showpost.php?p=43550&postcount=10)
From Mantis:
Exactly as stated in the other thread, in response to James 'victory' jpeg. Total VPs from both games will determine who advances. OV/SV/etc are only involved as far as the 'report a game' bit goes for the ladder, and has no real effect on the tourney.
To simplify, if your opponent goes AWOL, you get an OV. I'll average out the VPs of all players on your side (Axis/Allied) that scored an OV, and award you that many VPs towards the tourney.
If your game is incomplete, the 'current' victory level will stand, and current VPs will be used.
AND
(I believe it was objectives + enemy losses - friendly losses = VPs, but go check).
..... seems clear to me!
CyberRanger
27 Nov 03, 16:35
Victory calculation (http://www.warfarehq.com/forums/showpost.php?p=43550&postcount=10)
From Mantis:
Exactly as stated in the other thread, in response to James 'victory' jpeg. Total VPs from both games will determine who advances. OV/SV/etc are only involved as far as the 'report a game' bit goes for the ladder, and has no real effect on the tourney.
To simplify, if your opponent goes AWOL, you get an OV. I'll average out the VPs of all players on your side (Axis/Allied) that scored an OV, and award you that many VPs towards the tourney.
If your game is incomplete, the 'current' victory level will stand, and current VPs will be used.
AND
(I believe it was objectives + enemy losses - friendly losses = VPs, but go check).
..... seems clear to me!
I guess this does leave what the one who surrenders or goes AWOL gets. I'd say either the average of the OD's or zero. I'd pick whichever is less!
If you go AWOL, points are academic, as you are withdrawn.
CyberRanger
27 Nov 03, 17:48
If you go AWOL, points are academic, as you are withdrawn.
What about a surrender? Is the person who surrenders withdrawn?
OK, I think I'm understanding now:
1. As the Allied player I count my total VPs and add/subtract the loss penalty.
2. As the Axis player I count my total VPs and add/subtract the loss penalty.
3. Then I add my two totals up. This is my score for the second round.
4. If I surrender, I get zero points. If my opponent surrenders I get the average number of points for that round.
4. If I surrender, I get zero points. If my opponent surrenders I get the average number of points for that round.
I don't think so.
If your opponent surrenders, you get the average of points of all OVs in Round 2.
If you would add in all the MV and SV, it would lower the average.
What about a surrender? Is the person who surrenders withdrawn?
You're not allowed to surrender. If you surrender you are AWOL = withdrawn.
laszlo.nemedi
28 Nov 03, 02:26
Where is the official devil advocate (Jamiam)? :D
CyberRanger
28 Nov 03, 09:39
You're not allowed to surrender. If you surrender you are AWOL = withdrawn.
So far, only one player has surrendered and he surrendered in BOTH games, ensuring he's effectively withdrawn!
So to re-phrase what Chuck wrote:
SCORING FOR ROUND 2
1. As the Allied player, count the total Allied Objective VPs, add the German loss penalty, and subtract the Allied loss penalty.
2. As the Axis player, count the total German Objective VPs, add the Allied loss penalty, and subtract the German loss penalty.
3. Add the two totals up. That is your score for the second round.
4. If a player surrenders, he is WITHDRAWN. If your opponent surrenders you get the average number of points for OV's in that round.
CyberGeneral
01 Dec 03, 14:56
Where do I go to get a Substitute for John Paul who has shown up missing???
laszlo.nemedi
01 Dec 03, 16:03
Where do I go to get a Substitute for John Paul who has shown up missing???
:argh: I think we have to start tourney without drop out, the player number will be reduced round by round naturally...
Where do I go to get a Substitute for John Paul who has shown up missing???
John Paul was a sub for Brevet (#16), but is non-responsive. I'm bumping him back down to the list of users that didn't make the cut for round two. Brevet's original two opponents, Cyber General and Sergeant Major, are redirected against each other.
The first post in this thread detailing the lineup has been editted to refect these changes.
We did this one a page ago.
CyberGeneral
01 Dec 03, 19:05
Thanks Mantis.............Sent a file on to Sergent-Major............CG'ral
Hi Mantis,
It works fine with bruce, we reach turn 10, and I suffer a lot :nuts:
But I have a problem with Southern Dandy. We engage the fight but I still wait his turn 4 for more than a week now.
John if you read me do we have Email problems !!!!
Der WanderWaiting
Menschenfresser
02 Dec 03, 10:18
Still no turn from Sturlunger.
If you need more time, cool. I have a million turns on my HD and I haven't had an ounce of time since Turkey Day. Hopefully this weekend I can catch up...for all you waiting out there in TOAW-land.
laszlo.nemedi
02 Dec 03, 12:00
Still no turn from Sturlunger.
If you need more time, cool. I have a million turns on my HD and I haven't had an ounce of time since Turkey Day. Hopefully this weekend I can catch up...for all you waiting out there in TOAW-land.
I had so much time that my german forces plan their Ardennes counter attack at Eindhoven :D
CyberRanger
02 Dec 03, 12:09
Still no turn from Sturlunger.
If you need more time, cool. I have a million turns on my HD and I haven't had an ounce of time since Turkey Day. Hopefully this weekend I can catch up...for all you waiting out there in TOAW-land.
Make that a million plus one ... check your mail! :cheeky:
Sturlungur
02 Dec 03, 14:52
Still no turn from Sturlunger.
If you need more time, cool. I have a million turns on my HD and I haven't had an ounce of time since Turkey Day. Hopefully this weekend I can catch up...for all you waiting out there in TOAW-land.
Thank god (I mean Mantis) for handing me over to a patient opponent. :hail:
One more day and then my deadline for that article is over :o Then I'm up and ready :rifle:
Hi Mantis,
It works fine with bruce, we reach turn 10, and I suffer a lot :nuts:
But I have a problem with Southern Dandy. We engage the fight but I still wait his turn 4 for more than a week now.
John if you read me do we have Email problems !!!!
Der WanderWaiting
I quote myself as Chuck just drive me to the post of southern Dandy explaining he was moving. So I'll be patient
Der Wanderer
CyberRanger
04 Dec 03, 09:28
Round two will end on Jan 31st.
That provides enough time to complete all 20 turns at a rate of 2 turns/week, with a few days left over for good measure. There is a possibility of a single extension due to the Christmas break, but after that point all games will be tallied, regardless of their status.
If your game is keeping pace with Mantis' deadline, turn 5 should already be complete. So far, I've received updates for only 6 of the 25 games.
Oops! C'mon, gents, let's get those sitreps in!
CyberGeneral
05 Dec 03, 18:36
Originally Posted by Mantis
John Paul was a sub for Brevet (#16), but is non-responsive. I'm bumping him back down to the list of users that didn't make the cut for round two. Brevet's original two opponents, Cyber General and Sergeant Major, are redirected against each other.
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Next!...................Sergeant Major is another No-show.............Are there any subs that wanted to get a game in?................I have Market Garden Turn Allied turn 1 still awaiting a return file................CyberGeneral
Sergeant Major is withdrawn, and his opponents, Cyber General and JoeBob are redirected againt each other. The first post in this thread containing the lineups has been updated to reflect the change.
Just to state the obvious:
Players that do not complete a round (AWOL/Withdrawn) will not be awarded the bonus points for that round!
So if you are withdrawn, or have to pull out yourself for RL reasons, you will only earn the bonus points for the round prior! In other words, anyone AWOL/Withdraws during round two will only earn the 20 bonus points awarded for round 1.
(I've just emailed Brent to have this change included in the tourney page in the scoring section).
Sergeant Major is withdrawn, and his opponents, Cyber General and JoeBob are redirected againt each other. The first post in this thread containing the lineups has been updated to reflect the change.
OH that is going to be tough. I'm pretty sure JoeBob was up to at least turn 4 or 5 with him and killing him. It would be more like a forfeit from his perspective.
Additionaly I think Erik (Sgt. Major) may have had a misapprehension that the games were to be played sequentially. We didn't start up our game last round until a month in or so (my fault) but we were able to catch up and tuck in in time.
JoeBob, Sergeant Major are you there?
Sergeant Major is withdrawn, and his opponents, Cyber General and JoeBob are redirected againt each other. The first post in this thread containing the lineups has been updated to reflect the change.
Unbeknownst to me, SM is almost halfway through his game with JoeBob. This particular game is put on temporary hold until I figure out what's happening. Might have to give JoeBob an OV, and find a replacement to take the slot against CG. Sergeant Major, if you are there, please respond! Not too late to turn this all around!
Ok, I've heard from JoeBob, and he is indeed playing through the tourney with SM at an acceptable pace. Also, I do believe (after seeing some correspondence between JB & SM), that I have talked with SM himself about this kind of thing quite some time ago.
Cyber General - Have you had *any* response to *any* emails from SM? How many times have you tried to contact him? When was the first time?
SM is in the Dutch Navy, and is not AWOL, he's out on duty 'til late December. He's been good about playing around these absences. He'll continue in the slot. (Apologies when you read this, SM, but that correspondence I beleive we had about this was so long ago that it's been cycled through even my backup files several 'clean-ups' ago).
So, back to the status-quo.
Sergeant Major is not withdrawn, and his original games are reinstated. The first post in this thread containing the lineups has been updated to reflect the reversion.
CyberGeneral
07 Dec 03, 08:44
It's been nice getting the Emails about the substitution shuffle, but still leaves me awaiting the next sub in line...............Which is........who?
Read above.
SM is in the Dutch Navy, and is not AWOL, he's out on duty 'til late December. He's been good about playing around these absences.
Sergeant Major is not withdrawn, and his original games are reinstated.
You're still playing SM when he returns.
CyberGeneral
07 Dec 03, 11:18
Then I await his return..............Thanks.
RavenStrike
08 Dec 03, 10:01
Mantis, on a more positive note, does anyone need/want our end of game file. We, Maestro and I, finished over the weekend.
Nope, don't need anything from you guys this time around, except your final VP report to Westpointer!
CyberRanger
08 Dec 03, 16:16
The first two real scores have been posted!
Congrats to RavenStrike (as the Axis) for an SV and to LaszloNemedi (as the Allies) for an OV!
I've also added a section to the web page to tally the final scores as they arrive. It is here (http://www.west-point.org/users/usma1987/44419/toaw-1.htm#score)
Good job keeping the web page updated!
laszlo.nemedi
08 Dec 03, 16:26
Good job keeping the web page updated!
Do you like it? I mean the figures. :p
Thanks Westpointer, I regulary check it, to see the end results :D
--
To my opponents,
My last exam is tomorrow and I'll be on the comp. and sending out my first turns as soon as I get home.
Many apologies for the delay.
Cheers
CyberRanger
15 Dec 03, 11:18
A few turn 5 results posted. Still many games with no updates in.
What's the groups opinion? Should I email folks to check up on how the games are going (in the interest of keeping the tourney moving along at a good clip)? I know some players don't read the boards that often and may not be aware that we'd like to get updates.
OR ... is that being to intrusive? Should we just be happy with what updates I get?
laszlo.nemedi
15 Dec 03, 11:21
I think you can write them email...
Sturlungur
15 Dec 03, 14:07
A few turn 5 results posted. Still many games with no updates in.
What's the groups opinion? Should I email folks to check up on how the games are going (in the interest of keeping the tourney moving along at a good clip)? I know some players don't read the boards that often and may not be aware that we'd like to get updates.
OR ... is that being to intrusive? Should we just be happy with what updates I get?
Brent. My game as Allies against Mensch has started. Unfortunately it started late due to heavy workload on my part and now it has stalled temporarily because of heavy workload on Mensches part :rolleyes:
Well at least we've reached T3 ;)
laszlo.nemedi
15 Dec 03, 14:15
Brent. My game as Allies against Mensch has started. Unfortunately it started late due to heavy workload on my part and now it has stalled temporarily because of heavy workload on Mensches part :rolleyes:
Well at least we've reached T3 ;)
Now I know why Mensch so slow :)
CyberRanger
15 Dec 03, 14:23
Brent. My game as Allies against Mensch has started. Unfortunately it started late due to heavy workload on my part and now it has stalled temporarily because of heavy workload on Mensches part :rolleyes:
Well at least we've reached T3 ;)
Thanks for the info! I made a note that you are on turn 3.
Now ... I know why Zac is slowing down! Plus, he was sick weekend before last.
A few turn 5 results posted. Still many games with no updates in.
What's the groups opinion? Should I email folks to check up on how the games are going (in the interest of keeping the tourney moving along at a good clip)? I know some players don't read the boards that often and may not be aware that we'd like to get updates.
OR ... is that being to intrusive? Should we just be happy with what updates I get?
I say send a few e-mails. Not everybody checks the forum often and it's tough to sift through a ten page thread.
I notice that as of turn 5 I have the fewest points as German and my German opponent has the most. :cry: :cry: :cry: :surprise: :cry: :angry: :mad: :nuts:
laszlo.nemedi
18 Dec 03, 00:52
I notice that as of turn 5 I have the fewest points as German and my German opponent has the most. :cry: :cry: ...
Don't worry, we need you :devious:
CyberRanger
24 Dec 03, 10:45
Should I email folks to check up on how the games are going (in the interest of keeping the tourney moving along at a good clip)?
Okay, emails sent to seven players. I also posted a couple updates today.
Nice work by MikeJ on hitting 517
laszlo.nemedi
02 Jan 04, 09:24
Nice work by MikeJ on hitting 517
Somehow I am not surprised on MikeJ's performance :D
Anyone hear from Keef lately? He's usually very prompt in replying but its been almost two weeks now and nothing :(
Have you pinged him to ensure that he received your last turn?
Also!
Gents, less than one month remains in round 2. Get a good pace going, or it appears that quite a few won't complete the scenario by the deadline!
Please keep Westpointer up to date with your sitreps!
Have you pinged him to ensure that he received your last turn?
Have resent the turn and also sent a follow-up email. Only been 10 days but he's usally pretty fast.
No worries though if we still have about a month to finish the scenario as I'm sure he'll surface before then.
:drink: :clap:
laszlo.nemedi
06 Jan 04, 03:00
Mensch, where are you? The holidays are over...
Sturlungur
06 Jan 04, 19:19
Mensch, where are you? The holidays are over...
I second that Laszlo. :(
How about we start aginst each other if just for me letting someone be hit by the frustrating receiving end of enourmous interdiction and awesome airpower :devil:
Getting fed with getting hit by 50% interdiction and having NO opponent to hit instead :mad:
laszlo.nemedi
07 Jan 04, 00:14
I second that Laszlo. :(
How about we start aginst each other if just for me letting someone be hit by the frustrating receiving end of enourmous interdiction and awesome airpower :devil:
Getting fed with getting hit by 50% interdiction and having NO opponent to hit instead :mad:
Wait some time for Mensch, and if Mantis will decide I am happily see my forces disappear turn by turn without fight :nuts:
Have resent the turn and also sent a follow-up email. Only been 10 days but he's usally pretty fast.
No worries though if we still have about a month to finish the scenario as I'm sure he'll surface before then.
:drink: :clap:
Keef should be back on top of things in another day or so.
No more replacements. We'll now go with what's been posted earlier. AWOLs are auto OVs for the remaining player, and incomplete games will stand as they are.
Sturlungur
07 Jan 04, 02:24
No more replacements. We'll now go with what's been posted earlier. AWOLs are auto OVs for the remaining player, and incomplete games will stand as they are.
Who said I was looking for a replacement?? :halo:
I just need someone to stand still and receive my hits and kicks :whlchr: while I went out my frustration on him for receiving all these air attacks that I'm NOT able to handle to my other opponent. :mad:
Anyway. Since neither my barely started game against Mensch nor a new one against some other would never be finished before the timeout this would be mainly for my fun. :devious:
laszlo.nemedi
07 Jan 04, 04:21
Who said I was looking for a replacement?? :halo:
I just need someone to stand still and receive my hits and kicks :whlchr: while I went out my frustration on him for receiving all these air attacks that I'm NOT able to handle to my other opponent. :mad:
Anyway. Since neither my barely started game against Mensch nor a new one against some other would never be finished before the timeout this would be mainly for my fun. :devious:
OK, I take you, send me your turn (for ladder? well this scenario highly unbalanced, but OK).
Hmmm, if Mensch will be AWOL (or what), when I'll get OV as German, which is a very good result, so Mesch do your job, don't be afraid of my wait... :D
Sturlungur
07 Jan 04, 09:37
OK, I take you, send me your turn (for ladder? well this scenario highly unbalanced, but OK).
Hmmm, if Mensch will be AWOL (or what), when I'll get OV as German, which is a very good result, so Mesch do your job, don't be afraid of my wait... :D
Well actually I need just someone to knock around in an unbalanced scenario to went out my frustration :D
Ladder doesn't matter to me. But if I can send you my first move from the game I started against Mensch then I'd be happy. Mainly it saves time but also there was one thing that succeded that I was very happy and proud of. But also I did not plan other things well enough and some did not succeed as intended. So in the end I think things balance out.
Just let me know if this is ok, if you want any special rules and if you care for ladder points. Only thing I really don't like is when people blow up bridges on roads that lie alongside rivers and canals. Too unhistorical for me since I'm a historian (ther has to be some explantation :rolleyes: )
laszlo.nemedi
07 Jan 04, 10:03
Well actually I need just someone to knock around in an unbalanced scenario to went out my frustration :D
Ladder doesn't matter to me. But if I can send you my first move from the game I started against Mensch then I'd be happy. Mainly it saves time but also there was one thing that succeded that I was very happy and proud of. But also I did not plan other things well enough and some did not succeed as intended. So in the end I think things balance out.
Just let me know if this is ok, if you want any special rules and if you care for ladder points. Only thing I really don't like is when people blow up bridges on roads that lie alongside rivers and canals. Too unhistorical for me since I'm a historian (ther has to be some explantation :rolleyes: )
To balance the scenario, I am not allowing you to use your turn against Mensch :D , and blowing bridges are valid (there is not much road along rivers, so it could not be big concern).
Are you a historian? (I will continue in the mail...)
So I am waiting for your (new) turn...
(for ladder? well this scenario highly unbalanced, but OK).
Make it a mirror game! 'S only fair!
Sturlungur
08 Jan 04, 12:36
Make it a mirror game! 'S only fair!
Hey it's me who is fighting aginst the unfair odds against Tiberius. I need someone to hit and kick :D
Maybe I'll just kick those idiots at the phonecompany who promished to come today and fix my phoneline so that I can start sending out some turns again. Yeah that will probably channel my frustration into something productive :devil:
lol, best of luck with them; if they're anything like the idiots we have over here, you'll need it!
:rolleyes:
So, with 13 pages now...is this the longest thread in Warfare HQ history?
Also, if I read every post will I get bonus ladder points? :nuts:
laszlo.nemedi
08 Jan 04, 17:27
So, with 13 pages now...is this the longest thread in Warfare HQ history?
Also, if I read every post will I get bonus ladder points? :nuts:
Yeah, -100 points (negative number), because your IQ should go downward after that... (except my posts (not counting the Annie Chui and pizza posts)) :D
Hey it's me who is fighting aginst the unfair odds against Tiberius. I need someone to hit and kick :D
:devil:
Did you already forget about hitting and kicking my paratroopers until they were all gone? :cry:
Did anyone else lose all theirs? :mad:
So, with 13 pages now...is this the longest thread in Warfare HQ history?
It is indeed an impressive accomplishment, but is still a hundred posts shy of the OSS...:p
laszlo.nemedi
08 Jan 04, 23:54
Did you already forget about hitting and kicking my paratroopers until they were all gone? :cry:
Did anyone else lose all theirs? :mad:
No :p or not all :cry:
Sturlungur
09 Jan 04, 03:01
lol, best of luck with them; if they're anything like the idiots we have over here, you'll need it!
:rolleyes:
GRR ... The idiots haven't turned up yet. Everyting stuck until their arrival.
Btw. Laszlo. Maybe we can just circumvent the rules of the tournament. ;)
Maybe play the scenario that is to be played the next round.
Then we can both claim to have played the scenario while participating in the tournament. :D
laszlo.nemedi
09 Jan 04, 11:53
GRR ... The idiots haven't turned up yet. Everyting stuck until their arrival.
Btw. Laszlo. Maybe we can just circumvent the rules of the tournament. ;)
Maybe play the scenario that is to be played the next round.
Then we can both claim to have played the scenario while participating in the tournament. :D
As you wish, but send that turn :mad: uhh, I have many turns in my inbox unresolved :o
So sound OK, it could be a good practice... :devious:
When will the war in the west page be updated?
Enquiring minds want to know. :nuts:
laszlo.nemedi
10 Jan 04, 03:05
When someone send new result...
Brent will have to field that one.
CyberRanger
11 Jan 04, 17:04
When will the war in the west page be updated?
Enquiring minds want to know. :nuts:
The page is currently up-to-date with all the results I've been sent.
Keep sending!!!
The page is currently up-to-date with all the results I've been sent.
Keep sending!!!
Looking at Germans VP I don't do it so bad, :rifle:
SO
now as Allies objective 600 :D
:nuts: Der WanderDreamer:cheeky:
Southern Dandy
12 Jan 04, 10:32
Jean-Luc:
I'm doing what I can to get you to 600.....just keep pounding the crap out of the 6 or 7 units I have left on the map and you might make it there yet! :nuts: :confused: :cry:
John
The page is currently up-to-date with all the results I've been sent.
Keep sending!!!
Did you get my final results from my game with Tiberius and my turn 15 numbers from my game with Keef?
CyberRanger
12 Jan 04, 12:57
Did you get my final results from my game with Tiberius and my turn 15 numbers from my game with Keef?
Yes, thanks!
C'mon eveyone! Get Brent those updates!
laszlo.nemedi
23 Jan 04, 14:40
I hate that this scenario doesnot stop at the turn 20, it caused me 50 points less :cry: (I did some all or nothing steps in the turn 20, now I got turn 21...)
I hate that this scenario doesnot stop at the turn 20, it caused me 50 points less :cry: (I did some all or nothing steps in the turn 20, now I got turn 21...)
I liked it! Allowed me to wipe out 99.99% of Tiberius' forces and control every VP hex. :banana:
Boys I need advice, I want to increase the German loss rate. To do that I let the German reinforcements access points ( 21,0 and 36,4) free. I want them to come and I have prepared a nice welcome committee. But they don't come do you know why
I would like to increase my actual results on turn 19
German held 1 UK held 418 German loss 133 UK Loss 56
the one VP left is on German Airfield, no right to airdrop there sh*t
I put my plane quiet as German have only 4 units left now ( no more interdiction)
Any ideas ????
See joined map
Southern Dandy
23 Jan 04, 16:56
Jean-Luc:
I was going to answer this in an e-mail, but since you're fishing in the forums for advice...for any of my reinforcements to appear, I would have to re-take their arrival hexes.
Seeing how I'm just about out of units, this is *quite* unlikely to occur- but it's not as if I hadn't tried previously in our game (when their arrival might have made a difference of a turn or two!).
Now, be a good person and finish destroying the remnants of my forces so we can put this wipe-out in the completed file for WestPointer and Mantis! Thanks! :cheeky:
John
Jean-Luc:
I was going to answer this in an e-mail, but since you're fishing in the forums for advice...for any of my reinforcements to appear, I would have to re-take their arrival hexes.
Seeing how I'm just about out of units, this is *quite* unlikely to occur- but it's not as if I hadn't tried previously in our game (when their arrival might have made a difference of a turn or two!).
Now, be a good person and finish destroying the remnants of my forces so we can put this wipe-out in the completed file for WestPointer and Mantis! Thanks! :cheeky:
Johndo you know the story of the the masochistic and the sadistic ???
The masochistic say : " make me suffer"
the sadistic answer : " NO"
Seriously , I'll try to let my loss rate to be lower ( an other way to get more points :D)
Der WanderSadist :devil:
Menschenfresser
23 Jan 04, 17:03
The horror might go on longer than you think. I just sent Laz turn 22. :surprise:
laszlo.nemedi
23 Jan 04, 17:26
The horror might go on longer than you think. I just sent Laz turn 22. :surprise:
Go back to Toaw as I sent you the answer, almost gain back the points...
Yeezz turn 22, what else can come :mad: :cry:
laszlo.nemedi
24 Jan 04, 01:41
Go back to Toaw as I sent you the answer, almost gain back the points...
Yeezz turn 22, what else can come :mad: :cry:
OK I have got the turn 23... :mad: :cry:
Still holding Arnhem, but it is just not right, my plan was build up for 20 turns...
laszlo.nemedi
24 Jan 04, 09:20
OK I have got the turn 23... :mad: :cry:
Still holding Arnhem, but it is just not right, my plan was build up for 20 turns...
Nice I have got turn 24 :cry:
laszlo.nemedi
24 Jan 04, 09:27
An announcement on turn 24 I lost Arnhem, nice...
Menschenfresser
24 Jan 04, 09:34
This game should be about 15-16 turns, I think. I would have had a MV with less than 200 points if it had ended on turn 20. Now I have, as of my last turn, 360+ with an OV.
It might be because you are retaking several VP locations in my rear area. I always thought that frequent VP location exchanges can prolong the game.
Dunno, but I feel for you. :o
laszlo.nemedi
24 Jan 04, 09:46
This game should be about 15-16 turns, I think. I would have had a MV with less than 200 points if it had ended on turn 20. Now I have, as of my last turn, 360+ with an OV.
It might be because you are retaking several VP locations in my rear area. I always thought that frequent VP location exchanges can prolong the game.
Dunno, but I feel for you. :o
Don't feel bad on that, I was only a subs, so it is a great honor to be here.
This scenario is really a mass murder of the Germans, however the real historical scenario was not that. Chuck and me made some comments on this scenario, which can balance somehow the scenario... :nuts:
laszlo.nemedi
24 Jan 04, 09:49
Oh boys, turn 25, I think we will fight all the remaining fight till the end of the war... :nuts:
Menschenfresser
24 Jan 04, 09:51
I wonder if we'll get to 30. :surprise:
laszlo.nemedi
24 Jan 04, 10:09
I wonder if we'll get to 30. :surprise:
Pheeewww, we not...
Is someone here with higher turn figures? It caused me about 80 points, but surely was exciting...
At least your battle was unique!
laszlo.nemedi
26 Jan 04, 05:07
At least your battle was unique!
Yeah, I like exciting games...
Just for the record:
I felt Mesch was unwilling in fight after turn 20, which is really a fair play on his side...
Secadegas
28 Jan 04, 13:44
Menschenfresser & Laszlo
I can see you had a long game but I think that's not enough to double report that game to the ladder... :confused:
(report 860 and 865)
Will the result page be updated soon ?
Der WanderCurious
laszlo.nemedi
28 Jan 04, 17:47
Menschenfresser & Laszlo
I can see you had a long game but I think that's not enough to double report that game to the ladder... :confused:
(report 860 and 865)
As I see it is a same day report (I got only one email alert, so Mensch reported only once, the interesting the battle rating and the two player status (crack, veteran, regular)).
Mantis or what ever please help, to explain or delete one of the reports!
(Secadegas: Are you regulary scanning the reports?
Deleted one of the two dual reports.
laszlo.nemedi
29 Jan 04, 00:22
Deleted one of the two dual reports.
Thank you, I was not happy seeing two times my defeat :D
Secadegas
29 Jan 04, 05:52
Secadegas: Are you regulary scanning the reports?
No, found it by chance
Menschenfresser
29 Jan 04, 09:06
First round, IIRC, one of my games ended several turns early. But I think that was also in my favor.
With my allied opponent having dropped and my game as the allies that went 5 turns longer, chaulk up any advancement I make, as Mantis pointed out, to luck.
CyberRanger
29 Jan 04, 14:46
Will the result page be updated soon ?
Der WanderCurious
YES! I've updated what I have except for the final between JoeBob and Fading Captain. I'm waiting for points clarification on that one.
Siberian HEAT
29 Jan 04, 14:53
YES! I've updated what I have except for the final between JoeBob and Fading Captain. I'm waiting for points clarification on that one.
I am trying to give Cybergeneral a run for his money, but already on turn 10 he has control of my German supply points (why are there only TWO in the north when it is so close to the Fatherland!?!) and it is only a matter of time now. :cry:
laszlo.nemedi
29 Jan 04, 15:01
I am trying to give Cybergeneral a run for his money, but already on turn 10 he has control of my German supply points (why are there only TWO in the north when it is so close to the Fatherland!?!) and it is only a matter of time now. :cry:
I controlled all the Axis supply point on turn 1 as allied :p (it was the strategy...)
To all of you I would like to confess that on last turn, turn 20, as all the german units were wiped of the map and as I was sure it was the last turn, I send one Airborne unit to seize the last German Vp points on the German airfields.:o
If this point could block Southern Dandy to pass this round I want this point removed from my total victory point and returned to Southern Dandy.
But I was not abble to stand to see this VP point alone scoffing at me.:mad:
I hope you won't take this as cheating.
This made to be honest with John.:cool:
My Best regards to all of you
Jean-Luc
CyberRanger
29 Jan 04, 17:01
To all of you I would like to confess that on last turn, turn 20, as all the german units were wiped of the map and as I was sure it was the last turn, I send one Airborne unit to seize the last German Vp points on the German airfields.
If this point could block Southern Dandy to pass this round I want this point removed from my total victory point. But I was not abble to stand to see this VP point alone scoffing at me.
I hope you won't take this as cheating.
This made to be honest with John.
My Best regards to all of you
Jean-Luc
In my opinion, if the scenario designer gave the hex a vp value, then it's fair game for capture. Otherwise, why make it a vp hex???
Siberian HEAT
29 Jan 04, 17:22
In my opinion, if the scenario designer gave the hex a vp value, then it's fair game for capture. Otherwise, why make it a vp hex???
Not knowing the "gentlemen's rules" associated with this scenario as part of the tournament, I have to agree with Westpointer that any VP location on the map should also be fair game. However, using air units to drop on a reinforcement hex in the upper right corner is a no-no because that does not have a VP value.
It is a function of poor design in situations like this, or perhaps attention to detail is a better way of putting it. What possible value could the city at the top of the map (due north of Arnhem) have besides blocking German reinforcements/supply? If there was no VP location there I would have cried foul when my Allied colleague dropped some units in there - thus denying me my reinforcements. As it is, it was 100% legal and encouraged because of a few lousy VPs. By the same token, what could 1VP be worth on a distant airfield other than to encourage airdrops there?
This scenario should have 75% of it's VP smack on Arnhem, 20% in Nijmegen and 5% in Eindhoven. This scenario is called Market Garden...and should have the same exact goals. While I'm on my soap box, let me just say the Germans should have many more supply points on the north side of the map...they are after all only a few miles from the Ruhr!
I'm just bitter because I am going to lose this one as the Germans so please ignore my rant. :whlchr:
This scenario should have 75% of it's VP smack on Arnhem, 20% in Nijmegen and 5% in Eindhoven. This scenario is called Market Garden...and should have the same exact goals. While I'm on my soap box, let me just say the Germans should have many more supply points on the north side of the map...they are after all only a few miles from the Ruhr!
I'm just bitter because I am going to lose this one as the Germans so please ignore my rant. :whlchr:
I fully approve you, and the map must impose to follow main road through seized bridges as in real history
Der Wanderer
Siberian HEAT
29 Jan 04, 17:48
I hope you won't take this as cheating.
No one calls my friend JL a cheater!
Der WanderFriendofDerWanderer :D
LoL...let's dogpile Shane, since he picked the scenarios... ;)
Siberian HEAT
29 Jan 04, 23:15
LoL...let's dogpile Shane, since he picked the scenarios... ;)
As a former tourney scenario-picker, let me just say on Shane's behalf that the task is insurmountable unless we want to play the same few scenarios over and over. But, in the spirit of fun I throw myself on the dogpile! :D
LoL...I'm just jealous, 'cause I never made it past nose-picker... :eek:
laszlo.nemedi
30 Jan 04, 00:45
http://www.warfarehq.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4328&page=2&pp=15
By Sturlungur:
"Hi guys.
What is the general opinion on airdrops on off-board airfields in a tournament?"
By jlbetin:
"
Me too, I asked Mantis and answser was
NO
Der WanderDisapointed
"
http://www.warfarehq.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4328&page=2&pp=15
By Sturlungur:
"Hi guys.
What is the general opinion on airdrops on off-board airfields in a tournament?"
By jlbetin:
"
Me too, I asked Mantis and answser was
NO
Der WanderDisapointed
"
Yes Laszlo but it was in the curse of the game to block arrival of German Airplanes.
For me it was just rage to pick the last VP at the end of the game when no more German where available ( halas for my score)
But If it cause problem for other playes remove this point and return it to Southern Dandy or if you want me to retire from the tournament ok I will accept.
But really I've no regreat to take this stupid last one point on turn 20 :devil:
Der WandererFellingNotGuilty
laszlo.nemedi
30 Jan 04, 04:51
No need to retire (you don't have to feel guilty)...
but I let the point go away, because of the rules...
Really I don't want to be a ruler here, but I remembered the posts...
So I stop it here :D
Southern Dandy
30 Jan 04, 09:28
Greetings!
I'm not horribly worried about that 1 point on the off-map airfields. I got my rear-end kicked, plain and simple, but I like to think I made things interesting against JL for the first 10 turns or so! That's what I'll cling to in this experience- the fact that until he devastated my line near Eindhoven with perhaps the greatest single turn I've had the opportunity to witness, I had pretty well frustrated him in our game up to that point.
Then I got starved from lack of supply, lack of reinforcements, and all those other bad things that seem to happen all too regularly to the German side in this scenario. My turns then became more along the lines of watching a train wreck in slow motion....I didn't want to watch, but I couldn't help it! This game was over after JL's 16th turn. At that point, he had taken every objective on the map and I was down to half a dozen units or so. The fact that they somehow lasted 4 more turns amazes me!
So, to sum up, I'm not hopping mad or anything like that over that 1 point. I got clobbered by a very good player in a scenario in which getting clobbered is a fait accompli for the German player anyway!
Now to join the dogpile! :cheeky:
John
LoL...let's dogpile Shane, since he picked the scenarios... ;)
Ah HAH! No I didn't. Search through the threads; you'll see that you guys provided all the scenarios that we tested, and you guys did all the testing, and the scenarios were all picked based on your feedback! :D
Covered my butt! :devious:
So I take it everything is OK with JL's game, then?
(JL - I seriously doubt that 1 VP would be a swing-point anyways...)
So I take it everything is OK with JL's game, then?
(JL - I seriously doubt that 1 VP would be a swing-point anyways...)
Sure it was just that I can't stand to see it free :D
JLB
Checking the WitW page (that Brent keeps so nicely up-to-date for us! :hail: ), I notice that there are still several players who are not done their games and reports.
If you fall in to this category, I need to hear from you now, and I'll consider the single extension that was discussed earlier. I know that most of you had progress slow to a crawl due to the holidays, and if people feel that this extra week would help, we'll offer it.
I'll post more on this tomorrow.
Sure it was just that I can't stand to see it free :D
JLB
Better not let Cheetah see that remark. He'll take it as more evidence that the French hate Freedom... ;)
Siberian HEAT
01 Feb 04, 01:32
Better not let Cheetah see that remark. He'll take it as more evidence that the French hate Freedom... ;)
CyberGeneral and I did not get the 20 turns in 9 days I thought we could do...but we are on turn 16 so may be able to finish up tomorrow. Certainly not many units left for me (as Germans) to move so my turns go quick! :cheeky:
Me and Fading Captain are on turn 19.
Should wrap it up tomorrow.
Better not let Cheetah see that remark. He'll take it as more evidence that the French hate Freedom... ;)
We love freedom so much, that to keep HER safe we put her in Jail
DEr WanderGuard
LaPalice and I are on turn 9. At our current pace we'd need probably 3 weeks to wrap up, which is way too long.
I'm prepared to forfeit the game to him, as my unannounced 5-week (or something around that) absence is to blame.
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