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Seeing the Elephant- A new/inexperienced player event.
This event is open to all registered SZO CM Ladder members with the following restrictions/requirements applying: (they are still subject to change).
Event Moderators have the final say in who plays in this event.
1. You consider yourself to be new to CM (CMBB will be the version played).
2. You consider yourself to be inexperienced at playing CM.
3. If inexperienced you'd like some “instruction” on how to play a better game.
4. You have played 5 or less “Ladder” games anywhere (and still feel inexperienced).
5. Your only opponent up to now has been the A.I.
Tutors will be provided for players to ask tactical or game play questions- but not questions concerning the scenario being played.
It is scheduled to begin in mid/late July.
There will be 4 games played and all will count on the CM Ladder.
Anyone who believes that they qualify for this event should post below indicating that they would like to participate.
I would interested. I've only played one PBEM game. I play bit against AI a bit, but as we all know real people is a lot tougher than AI.
KG_Crimson
30 Jun 06, 22:23
I am interested.
I have played 6 games.
Neilm85uk
01 Jul 06, 07:06
I'd like to play but don't know if I qualify. Can you adjudicate? :)
Edited to say 'If I can't play :cry: is there any other way I can assist / be involved?'
If Neil's good than someone he crushed could be allowed as well!:cool:
Unfortunately Neils 10+ ladder games is more than the "5 or less" we'd like inexperienced players to have.
But as mentioned if we don't have enough "newbies" signup we'll expand the requirements as needed.
KG_Crimson
02 Jul 06, 20:26
But as mentioned if we don't have enough "newbies" signup we'll expand the requirements as needed.
so then us "Newbies" would be playing veterans, that doesn't seem to fair.
so then us "Newbies" would be playing veterans, that doesn't seem to fair.
Trust me I know what you mean!
But we really need at least 12+ new players to make a decent event.
But don't worry with only 4 games being played we should be able to match up players of the same skill level/experience. And if you hear some of the lower ranked players talk they need as much help as a new player! :laugh:
Btw, Did I foget to WELCOME you & Neon to SZO the CM Forum? :eek:
If so Welcome Aboard to you both! :salute:
I hope you enjoy your time here and get past the CM learning curve quickly. :toast:
KG_Crimson
02 Jul 06, 21:50
Thank you for the warm welcome!:D
Btw, Did I foget to WELCOME you & Neon to SZO the CM Forum? quickly.
Thanks Palantir, by the well. What is the "the elephant"? :confused:
Neilm85uk
03 Jul 06, 06:38
Unfortunately Neils 10+ ladder games is more than the "5 or less" we'd like inexperienced players to have.
But as mentioned if we don't have enough "newbies" signup we'll expand the requirements as needed.
There I go again. Must learn to read the whole post not just selected highlights :o . I just saw tourney and got over excited! The offer to help still stands though. :halo:
I would like to play in this tourney. I have never played against real people.
There I go again. Must learn to read the whole post not just selected highlights :o . I just saw tourney and got over excited! The offer to help still stands though. :halo:
question? Are all you limeys that thick? Hay did you post a pic? You most likely look like Monty and little stiny twig.:laugh: :smoke:
I would like to play in this tourney. I have never played against real people.
Palantir will prep you for a future victory.... learn well grasshopper.:smoke:
What is the "the elephant"? :confused::nofear:
Well I could tell you right now, but I'm absolutely positive that there are a few members here that would love to answer that question for you...
:popc1: :D
:nofear:
Well I could tell you right now, but I'm absolutely positive that there are a few members here that would love to answer that question for you...
:popc1: :D
I though it may have a bit of history behind it. :D
No one jumped on this, so in a nutshell:
It has to do with the first experiences of a soldier & deals mainly with the first time a soldier comes under enemy fire /or fires at the enemy it's called "Seeing the Elephant."
The phrase could date back to either Alexander the Great's men seeing elephants in India or "Italian" soldiers seeing Hannibal's elephants along the Alps. But the phrase became popular in the American Civil War I believe, used by the green recruits after their first battle, "I've seen the elephant" (= now I've seen it all).
I figured why not use it for the first "CM Event" of the new players.
No one jumped on this, so in a nutshell:
It has to do with the first experiences of a soldier & deals mainly with the first time a soldier comes under enemy fire /or fires at the enemy it's called "Seeing the Elephant."
The phrase could date back to either Alexander the Great's men seeing elephants in India or "Italian" soldiers seeing Hannibal's elephants along the Alps. But the phrase became popular in the American Civil War I believe, used by the green recruits after their first battle, "I've seen the elephant" (= now I've seen it all).
I figured why not use it for the first "CM Event" of the new players.
Thank for the enlightenment. :thumup:
Neilm85uk
05 Jul 06, 07:28
question? Are all you limeys that thick? Hay did you post a pic? You most likely look like Monty and little stiny twig.:laugh: :smoke:
Expletives deleted :mad: :mad: :mad: Less typing more installing CM so I can kick your ass
Not a big rush to sign up, which is a concern.
Might be that the really new players don't know we're here.
One way or another there will be an "inexperienced player tourney."
A voice comes from hind a large rock suitable for hiding even a large human. It is heard to say:
"Perhaps you should post an announcement about the "Elephant Tournament" on the Battlefront web site."
Where? :whist:
That might be a way to save a few new players from... :halo:
Sir KG_Jag, :hail: would you ever be so kind as to handle that for me? :hmmm:
I'll tell you where Stu is hiding his guns.... :thumup:
:laugh:
Deal--but don't tell Stu (aka KG_Panther) about our little arrangement!;)
Done--posted on the Battlefront forum in the CMBB section here:
http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=23;t=011539
and in the public section of the KG forum here:
http://www.kampfgruppe.us/showthread.php?p=37599#post37599
michammer
06 Jul 06, 07:43
Not a big rush to sign up, which is a concern.
Might be that the really new players don't know we're here.
One way or another there will be an "inexperienced player tourney."
I was going to sign-up, but I only have BO and AK.
Neilm85uk
06 Jul 06, 11:50
I was going to sign-up, but I only have BO and AK.
I see in my chrystal ball, in your future there is a small amount of expenditure :D
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00006M3YF/026-5131995-0190846?v=glance&n=300703
You know it makes sense!
Of course I looked at the Union Jack and thought this would help so I merrily typed away. Now I notice you're in Michigan so you'll have to track it down yourself. I feel spurned!
I was going to sign-up, but I only have BO and AK.
Then you have to get BB! :halo:
It is a different animal and you get to play with all the cool WW2 toys!
You've been around SZO for awhile but I can't recall a CM post by you so,
WELCOME to our little corner!! :toast:
I hope you're soon hanging out HERE & posting away but watch out for Mangus2000 & 2054172 (or as we like to call him- Wayne!) they'll drag you down a slippery slope that you'll never get out of. :clown:
:salute:
mangus2000
06 Jul 06, 13:17
I hope you're soon hanging out HERE & posting away but watch out for Mangus2000 & 2054172 (or as we like to call him- Wayne!) they'll drag you down a slippery slope that you'll never get out of. :clown:
:salute:
:devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil:
michammer
06 Jul 06, 22:31
Then you have to get BB! :halo:
It is a different animal and you get to play with all the cool WW2 toys!
You've been around SZO for awhile but I can't recall a CM post by you so,
WELCOME to our little corner!! :toast:
I hope you're soon hanging out HERE & posting away but watch out for Mangus2000 & 2054172 (or as we like to call him- Wayne!) they'll drag you down a slippery slope that you'll never get out of. :clown:
:salute:
Thanks for the welcome. I have followed a number of the threads here for quite a while, but I have not had the time to become properly involved - something I hope to rectify!
michammer
06 Jul 06, 22:32
I see in my chrystal ball, in your future there is a small amount of expenditure :D
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00006M3YF/026-5131995-0190846?v=glance&n=300703
You know it makes sense!
Of course I looked at the Union Jack and thought this would help so I merrily typed away. Now I notice you're in Michigan so you'll have to track it down yourself. I feel spurned!
Thy cristal ball is working well! I just have to placate her indoors!
KG_Crimson
08 Jul 06, 00:46
How many do we have interested?
Great idea. I am very interested in playing. I am in the middle of my first two PBEM games and am getting smoked in both. So, the thought of going up against another newbie with a tutor to help both of us sounds like a nice way to play.
Bob
A few... everyone who's indicated they want in have posted.
SO far only these players are in:
Neon
JML
Clements
KG-Crimson
Simonsezdie
(Michammer?)
simonsezdie
18 Jul 06, 22:39
I would be interested to play. I need some people who suck as bad as i do.:smoke:
Lets just say as "inexperienced" as you are and go from there! :)
And I think an official WELCOME to the SZO CM Forum is in order! :hurray: :redapple:
Glad to have you on board "SSD." :cool:
Make sure you check out our new "Tactical Talk" forum which has some pretty interesting information for players of all skill levels.
Post any questions you have, we have an experienced & friendly group of players here that you can draw on for help.
:toast:
Don't forget- :nofear:
Good Hunting!
Might need to expand the parameters of this one for the "played but inexperienced guys."
I am willing to play. I have played two games in a tournament, but never in a ladder. I have played less than 10 against a real person.
Can I help out if necessary, count me in to assist:smoke:
By the way what slope are you talking about?:bite:
Hi,
fresh meat reporting...I have played only against the AI. Count me in.
Updated list of current "rookies:"
Neon
JML
Clements
KG-Crimson
Simonsezdie
(Michammer?)
Kineas
Thewood
This tourney will begin in mid-late August.
We'll run it with 8 players, more will be welcome.
Remember, 4 scenarios played in 4 or just 2 rounds (maybe).
Stndrtnfhr
25 Jul 06, 11:52
Gents,
I would be very interested in joining this tourny. I have never played CM against a human player but would like to give it a try. I have not yet joined the ladder but will. Let me know if any spots are still available. Thanks.
Stnrtnfhr
Consider yourself on the list "Alphabet!" :laugh:
You aren't a student of old 2054172 = Wayne's are you? :bite:
And welcome to the SZO CM Forum! :joy:
On behalf of the the CM Staff & other players I hope you enjoy our little neck of the woods. :toast:
Don't hesitate to post any questions you might have. :salute:
Good Hunting!
Gen Schmaeter
26 Jul 06, 09:46
I'm pretty new, never played against a human opponent, only against AI.
I'd love to join in on this.
Gen Schmaeter
26 Jul 06, 09:47
Will this be Scenario based or Quick Battle. I have a strong preference for Scenarios.
Glad to have you with us G.S. and welcome to SZO, the CM Forum!! :D
This will be a chance to test your tactical wits vs. other new players. :crosseye:
I'm sure that you'll enjoy your time here. :salute:
Good Hunting! :bite:
All 4 rounds will be on designed & play-tested scenarios.
Current StE players:
Neon
JML
Clements
KG-Crimson
Simonsezdie
Kineas
Thewood
Gen Schmaeter
Stndrtnfhr
Antonius
Timu24
Michammer
If you have any questions about CM post them so you can practice vs. the AI before hand. Once the tourney starts you will be able to ask "your sides tutor" questions as well. :halo:
Stndrtnfhr
27 Jul 06, 12:19
Thanks Palantir,
I assume player match ups and info will be posted to this forum, or will it be sent directly to our email addresses?
Thanks
Stndrtnfhr
This tourney will follow previous formats. There will be a post of the matchups plus an email with all the instructions needed.
You can check the other tourneys by looking at their individual threads or on the CM tourney page.
Consider yourself on the list "Alphabet!" :laugh:
You aren't a student of old 2054172 = Wayne's are you? :bite:
You just can pronounce it Palaintir, it's.....:hmmm: :whist: :argh: :drink:
Oh well welcome Stndrtnfhr :hurray: :toast: :banana: :coolban: You will find that these guys are not very smart , funny , and good looking like all of us up here in Canada.:smoke:
Is there room for one more? If so let me know and I'll join the ladder.
I'm heavily involved in various 18th and 19th century internet wargame clubs but have wanted to get more involved with CM for a while. I couldn't decide whether to join here of the Blitzkrieg Wargame Club but this tournament looked like a good intro so here I am.
I have CMBB and CMAK but have never played a human opponent so I have lots to learn...
Is there room for one more? If so let me know and I'll join the ladder...
you're in, sign up! & welcome aboard! :D :toast:
you're in, sign up! & welcome aboard! :D :toast:
Excellent, thank you. I have joined the ladder.:toast:
I would like to be a part of this as well. I have played against the AI but never against a human.
Thanks,
Tim
michammer
31 Jul 06, 10:19
All 4 rounds will be on designed & play-tested scenarios.
Current StE players:
Neon
JML
Clements
KG-Crimson
Simonsezdie
Kineas
Thewood
Gen Schmaeter
Stndrtnfhr
Antonius
Michammer- did you / are you getting CMBB?
If you have any questions about CM post them so you can practice vs. the AI before hand. Once the tourney starts you will be able to ask "your sides tutor" questions as well. :halo:
I will be getting the game in early August, so count me in!!
I would like to be a part of this as well. I have played against the AI but never against a human.Thanks,Tim
GREAT! :joy:
Welcome aboard Tim. :D
Make sure to take advantage of the forum, ask questions, check out the CM Downloads page and read up on TAC tips before the big dance. :redapple: :vegguitar: (sorry no :hurray: have signed up yet :cry: )
Glad to have you here. :thumup:
Good Hunting! :nofear:
Thanks Palantir,
I am really looking forward to being in a game with real people. :p The SZO Combat Misson community is WAY better than battlefronts. :D
BTW should I sign up on the ladder right now?
Thanks again,
Tim
I am really looking forward to being in a game with real people. :bite: :devious:
The SZO Combat Misson community is WAY better than battlefronts. :banana: :halo:
BTW should I sign up on the ladder right now?
Please do that way I won't have to keep asking- "please sign up on the ladder..." :laugh:
Good luck with your first games! :ar15:
Stndrtnfhr
31 Jul 06, 15:10
2054172
Thanks for the welcome aboard. Interesting screen name. I have a friend whose last name is PYE, we just call him 3.14159 No relation I am sure. ;)
Stndrtnfhr
John Powderly
31 Jul 06, 17:25
Ok, I'm late...but I'm here.
I'd love to join. I haven't played in many a moon, and have only played against another person about five times. Never a ladder game.
Let me know if I'm in - if so, I'll sign up for the ladder ASAP.
duck_feet
01 Aug 06, 02:25
I'm interested in participating in this noob-fest.
I've never played any ladder contests and my experience is vs the AI only.
If there is still room remaining, I would love to play vs a thinking OPFOR.
Cheers,
duck_feet
Updated: Current StE players:
Neon
JML
Clements
KG-Crimson
Simonsezdie
Kineas
Thewood
Gen Schmaeter
Stndrtnfhr
Antonius
Timu24
Michammer
John Powderly- Welcome aboard! :hurray:
Duck_feet - Same to you! :thumup:
Joe CZ- Glad to have you here, good luck vs the AI & good hunting!:joy:
I know all of our new members will enjoy our little place here- the old vets will make you feel right at home so please post & jump on it, the water really is nice here! :D
PS- make sure everyone registers on the ladder! :nofear:
Sweet we got 14 players. I can't wait to play. :yummy:
Tim
Sweet we got 14 players. I can't wait to play. :yummy:
TimMe too!:bite:
Gen Schmaeter
02 Aug 06, 19:55
I hear that!
This promises to be very exciting. Thanks to the SZO ladder for putting this on.
Now, about putting this on, when should we be expecting to begin?
As posted elsewhere in this thread- mid/late August. :)
Have only played a couple of PBEM against others, never as part of a ladder. But I just signed up this afternoon so I could join. Hopefully another person will sign up and we can have 16? Seems like that would be an ideal number for a tournament (heck, it is in Basketball and Hockey).
Joe
As posted elsewhere in this thread- mid/late August. :)That gives me some time to practice against the AI in a variety of scenarios.:devious: Actually I really need it.:laugh:
Victor Charlie
08 Aug 06, 03:35
K
let me know if you need any help in running the tourney?
I'd love to join too.
I've never played against human, so i hope it would be a good start :)
Updated: Current StE players:
1 Neon
2 JML
3 Clements
4 KG-Crimson
5 Simonsezdie
6 Kineas
7 Thewood
8 Gen Schmaeter
9 Stndrtnfhr
10 Antonius
11 Timu24
12 Michammer
13 John Powderly
14 Duck_feet
15 Joe CZ-
16 Ada
17 Irishwop67 (Welcome to the SZO - CM Forum! I hope you enjoy your time here :))
Again welcome to all the new members!
Don't hesitate to post & ask questions etc. or let us know how your battles are going vs that :devil: AI!
K, let me know if you need any help in running the tourney?
Thanks for the offer, it's undercontrol but don't think I won't ask if needed! :halo:
Gen Schmaeter
08 Aug 06, 20:29
I was wondering if it would be okay to play "warm-up" battles with other members?
Maybe TCP/IP, so that it's done by the time the tournament begins? I don't even know how long PBEM takes . . . anyone?
If anyone is interested, JasonC on the battlefront.com forums has posted a series of training lessons using Russian forces. The scenarios are on www.blowtorchscenarios.com.
http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=23;t=011117;p=1#000 000
Playing warm up games would be fine as long as you still consider yourself a new player.
Gen Schmaeter
09 Aug 06, 15:35
Great! That being the case, if anyone is interested in a warm-up PBEM, send me an e.mail or a private message.
:laugh:
irishwop67
10 Aug 06, 12:50
I have downloaded CMBO, CMBB and CMAK the Demo from the Battlefront website about a month ago and just recieved both games in the mail this week. Im basically new to the Combat Mission series so count me in as newbie for the tourney, just hope the human opponent is somewhat better then the AI.
Joe
Has this closed yet?
I've only played AI. So im pretty new to this. I've actually only played AI half dozen times maybe.
Let me know if there is still openings. I'll sign up for ladder if i hear slots are open. I might need help to do thePBEM.
Thanks,
Rick
Latest update on players:
1 Neon
2 JML
3 Clements
4 KG-Crimson
5 Simonsezdie
6 Kineas
7 Thewood
8 Gen Schmaeter
9 Stndrtnfhr
10 Antonius
11 Timu24
12 Michammer
13 John Powderly
14 Duck_feet
15 Joe CZ
16 Ada
17 Irishwop67
18 Rickie
19 Redbear415 - You're not too late this one will begin in a week or so. Welcome to the SZO-CM Forum.
redbear415
19 Aug 06, 18:42
I hope is not to late i ask on battlefront forum but i was thinking that the tournament already began. but not
I would like to participated I felll i qualified to this tournament i have just played a couple of PBEM games mostly i have played with the A.I. I would drop a note on the battlefront forum under the Isaac.A. nick just in case :smoke:
Noob here, Just purchased CM 1,2 & 3 this week...love it!
Anyways, I would like to sign up for this tourney if not too late.
Blade
LoneWolf Texan
23 Aug 06, 18:55
Add me to the tourney. I have CMBB and CMAK
Looks like we now have 21 players, including Lonewolf Texan, who just posted on this thread.
The list just gets longer & better!
1 Neon
2 JML
3 Clements
4 KG-Crimson
5 Simonsezdie
6 Kineas
7 Thewood
8 Gen Schmaeter
9 Stndrtnfhr
10 Antonius
11 Timu24
12 Michammer
13 John Powderly
14 Duck_feet
15 Joe CZ
16 Ada
17 Irishwop67
18 Rickie
19 Redbear415
20 Blade91 - Welcome aboard :clap:
21 Lone Wolf Texan - and the same goes for you :thumup:
22 Cherper - another new face- welcome to the CM Forum!:joy:
Temporarily close the list unless we get 2 others to sign on below.
23 Setanta- glad to have you with us! :toast:
24 :hmmm:
Hate to sound so noobish...but what is the process for tounement play? I have been gleening the threads but have not come accross anything yet. Let me know where to look or what to do
Thanks for your help,
Blade
Hate to sound so noobish...but what is the process for tounement play? I have been gleening the threads but have not come accross anything yet. Let me know where to look or what to do
Thanks for your help,
Blade
Since we're all new at this (I think), I'm hoping for some pretty good intructions in this myself. Never played anything other than AI (in this game) before, so I know nothing about how to do tournament play.
Thanks!
Rick
Don't worry guys. Kerry will fill you in. I knew almost nothing about computers and had never played against another human at the time of my first tournament--CMBO in those days. If I could figure it out, it will a breeze for each of you in no time at all.
I do suggest that you read the manual. It has a great deal of useful information, including about playing by email [PBEM].
I would be interested. I bought the games, played a couple of times but haven't ever tried PBEM.
If there's a spare space available, I'd like to sign up as well. I've got CMBB and CMAK, only played against AI so far.
I will be passing along instructions to the entire group at one time to save me a ton of mailings.
Don't worry everything will be explained & easy to follow, so simple in fact that even Mangus2000 could play! :p
Don't know if it is too late to join the tourney (I think I qualify as a noob). I've played a total of 4 PBEM's with CM (3-CMBB and 1 CMAK) and would love to learn and join in. I have never played in a ladder or tournement. If you need another member for an even number of contestants...I raise my hand.
WeAgs2
michammer
28 Aug 06, 07:30
I am afraid I will have to withdraw before the tourney starts. I have had a couple of RL issues rear their ugly heads, and I am not going to have the time to participate for the next couple of months.
1 Neon
2 JML
3 Clements
4 KG-Crimson
5 Simonsezdie
6 Kineas
7 Thewood
8 Gen Schmaeter
9 Stndrtnfhr
10 Antonius
11 Timu24
12 Setanta
13 John Powderly
14 Duck_feet
15 Joe CZ
16 Ada
17 Irishwop67
18 Rickie
19 Redbear415
20 Blade91
21 Lone Wolf Texan
22 Cherper
Temporarily close the list unless we get 2 others to sign on below.
23 Weags2- Weclome to the Forum- I'm sure you'll enjoy the site & competition of your fellow CM'ers!
24 ??
Make sure everyone has signed up for the CM ladder or you won't be able to participate.:halo:
Any idea when this is going to kick off? I am getting all tingly to play, or maybe it was the cough syrup I took this morning. :cheeky:
This should kick-off very soon, by next weekend I am hoping.
Hi Palantir, guys...
I don't know if I'm on time, but before jumping in I would like to ask what would be the turnaround for the games. I mean: are we speaking about a move per day? Or is it more flexible, so you have enough time to ask your instructor before moving?
And... What about the size of the scenarios?
I bought the game a month ago, and I have only played the first tutorial, as I don't like to play against a computer. I would rather to discover the game slowly, while I'm being beated again and again ;)
Thanks in advance for the info,
miguel.
mangus2000
30 Aug 06, 05:57
Welcome Swing. A turn a day is about normal, you can work it out with your oppo.
Not sure how big the rounds will be but 20-30 is about the norm.
Good luck and hop[e you learn lots.:salute:
Dan--I would say that a file per day for each player is about the high norm. That is except for Kerry's giant tournament battles for experienced players. In those he expects about 2 full turns per week.
Of course Kerry (Palantir) will let everyone know the expected pace for the "Elephant" Tournament. I'm sure it will be fast enough to keep all involved in the games, but not so fast as to make it chore. Remember that consultation with more experienced CM players will be available for the players in this tournament. So that factor might slow the pace just a tad.
mangus2000
30 Aug 06, 12:45
I do have to add to my comment above.
I have been very tardy with my turns of late so a turn a day is much below a turn a day at the moment.:shy: :o :o
TacCovert4
30 Aug 06, 13:12
It's ok, you have a lot to do, what with the cat and beta testing and helping me build scenarios, and more beta testing, heck you're CMSWAMPED.
The scernarios will be "small" overall, about 20-30 turns each offering a variety of units & the use of different tactics in each. They will work their way up in complexity.
Turns as of now will be 3+ a week as the Rounds (once began) need to be quick and completed in a short time (or no one will be Newbies when the tourney ends). We may be running 2 scenarios (rounds) at the same time but that has not been finalized.
Players will be matched up randomly: you will not be playing the same player twice.
I NEED all players on the list to send me an email/PM with whatever Email they wish to use for this tournament. Without your email I can not send you the game files.
Hi guys,
Thanks for the kind answers. As I've joined, we have a full house with 24 players waiting for the start of the Tourney.
Good look everyone! ;)
miguel.
This tourney looking good now with 24 odd players. For a little time there I thought that it wouldn't get off the ground with only 3 or 4 players sign up in the first few weeks. Of course I sign up first. Do I get a extra points or something. :p
Here are the upcoming match-ups for "StE"
Ada* vs John Powderly
Antonius* vs Redbear415
Blade91 vs Kineas
Cherper* vs Stndrtnfhr
Clements vs Timu24
Duck_feet vs Thewood
Gen Schmaeter* vs Simonsezdie
Irishwop67 vs Neon*
Joe CZ vs Lone Wolf Texan
JML vs KG-Crimson
Rickie vs Weags2
Setanta vs Swing*
* = Email address sent to me (no address = no play so you have 1 week to get them into me)
Make sure everyone has signed up for the CM ladder or you won't be able to participate.:halo:
The scenarios are small as are the unit counts so everyone should be able to handle the file return rates. Players are encouraged to get in contact with their opponents (once I send out the information) to coordinate the files. They are small and can be done relatively quickly- -so you can send them back & forth and get 2-3 done a day or spread them out across a few days- check with your opponent.
KG_Crimson
02 Sep 06, 02:02
So, we will be starting in about a week?
redbear415
03 Sep 06, 13:33
Here are the upcoming match-ups for "StE"
Ada* vs John Powderly
Antonius* vs Redbear415
Blade91 vs Kineas
Cherper* vs Stndrtnfhr
Clements vs Timu24
Duck_feet vs Thewood
Gen Schmaeter* vs Simonsezdie
Irishwop67 vs Neon*
Joe CZ vs Lone Wolf Texan
JML vs KG-Crimson
Rickie vs Weags2
Setanta vs Swing*
* = Email address sent to me (no address = no play so you have 1 week to get them into me)
Make sure everyone has signed up for the CM ladder or you won't be able to participate.:halo:
The scenarios are small as are the unit counts so everyone should be able to handle the file return rates. Players are encouraged to get in contact with their opponents (once I send out the information) to coordinate the files. They are small and can be done relatively quickly- -so you can send them back & forth and get 2-3 done a day or spread them out across a few days- check with your opponent.
I already send my email address to you todya using the your email address on the forum please confirm if you recived it.
From "Mrs." Palantir:
Ok, just to keep you updated- this will start by Sept 8th.
Everyone involved behind the scenes in getting this tourney finalized/setup & underway (with all the new players etc) has been sick or hospitalized during the past 2 weeks (including Palantir).
We apologize for the unexpected delay in getting this one started.
Everyone is still recovering, we'll try to get things done as the organizers heal!
John Powderly
03 Sep 06, 22:13
Palantir,
Thank you and your colleagues for putting this tournament together. I'm sure it must be quite a piece of work. I hope you & yours get better soon.
So, it all starts on the 8th. Sounds good. Is it safe to assume that any news will be posted to this thread?
Again, sincere thanks. I look forward to a good time.
Palantir,
Thank you and your colleagues for putting this tournament together. I'm sure it must be quite a piece of work. I hope you & yours get better soon.
So, it all starts on the 8th. Sounds good. Is it safe to assume that any news will be posted to this thread?
Again, sincere thanks. I look forward to a good time.
I second those sentiments. Thank you and get well soon:)
The following players are not yet registered on the CM Ladder:
Blade91
Redbear415
Irishwop67
Simonsezdie
Weags2
Also- if you have not sent me your Email address please do so ASAP.
This one should be kicking off on Sept 8th.
Players have been randomly assigned to play either the Allied or Axis side.
There will also be a "Seeing the Elephant" Help Thread for each side labled: StE Axis or StE Allied. Only players playing on that side should look at that thread. (If you are playing the Axis side DO NOT look in the StE Allied thread & visa-versa!)
If you are playing and have any game-play questions please post them in the appropriate thread. Scenario "detail" questions will not be answered (ex. does my opponent have any tanks etc.) A type question that will be answered is: "I see I have have off-board Artillery (mines/flamethrowers/etc) how do I move/use it? Will be answered.
This of course is an honesty issue- if you feel the need to cheat by looking in the other sides thread please go back to just playing against the A.I. as it doesn't care if your are a cheater- we do.
Gen Schmaeter
05 Sep 06, 15:37
I also salute Palantir & Co for this laudable effort.
This is one heck of a service!
The following players are not yet registered on the CM Ladder:
Blade91
Redbear415
Irishwop67
Simonsezdie
Weags2
Also- if you have not sent me your Email address please do so ASAP.
This one should be kicking off on Sept 8th.
Players have been randomly assigned to play either the Allied or Axis side.
There will also be a "Seeing the Elephant" Help Thread for each side labled: StE Axis or StE Allied. Only players playing on that side should look at that thread. (If you are playing the Axis side DO NOT look in the StE Allied thread & visa-versa!)
If you are playing and have any game-play questions please post them in the appropriate thread. Scenario "detail" questions will not be answered (ex. does my opponent have any tanks etc.) A type question that will be answered is: "I see I have have off-board Artillery (mines/flamethrowers/etc) how do I move/use it? Will be answered.
This of course is an honesty issue- if you feel the need to cheat by looking in the other sides thread please go back to just playing against the A.I. as it doesn't care if your are a cheater- we do.
Will you be emailing us about assignments? Also about just how we play the tournament. I really am rather new to all this.
Thanks
Rick
Gen Schmaeter
05 Sep 06, 20:13
One question regarding the forums:
Won't having these forums possibly spoil the scenario for other players playing the same side?
For example, if I'm on turn 15 and ask a question but someone else is still on turn 10, won't that reveal the later content of the scenario?
The questions answered in the threads should not spoil the scenario in anyway.
Also don't have any worries about playing, everything you need to know about playing the tourney WILL be answered in the opening email sent out to everyone.
Not only that, should you still have any questions about playing I'll even let you ask me! :p
I take it that we will be email the scenario file and what side we are playing etc.
EDITED 9/7:
Matchups (with changes):
Allies vs Axis
Ada vs John Powderly
Antonius vs Redbear415
Blade91 vs Kineas
Cherper vs Stndrtnfhr
Duck_feet vs Thewood
Gen Schmaeter vs Simonsezdie
Irishwop67 vs Weags2
JML vs KG-Crimson
Joe CZ vs Timu24
Rickie vs Neon
Setanta vs Swing
Clements# vs Lone Wolf Texan#
# = NO Email address sent to me. No address = no play: you have until 9/8 to get them into me or be dropped.
CM Ladder: make sure you sign up by 9/8 or you won't be able to participate. {To join the CM ladder click on the “W.A.R.S. (ladder)” tab across the mid-top bar. In the drop down menu click on the join/leave a ladder.” Select the “Combat Missions” option.}
We WILL be running 2 scenarios (rounds) at about the same time. We will start RD1 FRI/SAT then start RD2 soon thereafter. Players will keep the same side (Axis or Allies) in both but will face a different opponent in each one.
I will be posting the RD2 matchups on 9/9. The StE tourney page has been set up.
Besides for the above "missing" player info we are good to go for a 9/9 start date- this 1st round will end in 11/4/06. Players will have 8 weeks to get in 20turns. The scenario / unit count is small so this should not be a problem. :halo:
If you have any game Setup / PBEM / File questions etc I will be home on 9/9 so send me a PM or email & I will get back to you as quickly as I can. If you have any "in game" tactical or unit questions post in the appropriate StE side thread. The threads will be checked daily.
Good Luck & Good Hunting :nofear:
:salute:
redbear415
06 Sep 06, 21:01
From my side ladder reg set and email send to you
I will be sending out all the information on 9/9, including the email addresses.
The Allied player will get the initial setup file and then send it on to his Axis opponent.
It may take a day or two for the Allied player to do & send his completed setup file to his Axis opponent.
HOWEVER, the Allied players should send an EMAIL to his Axis opponent ASAP after getting the file this lets both players know they are ready to begin.
:thumup:
Ok all you "Seeing the Elephant" players, the files will be working their way out tonight.
{minus Clements & Lone Wolf Texan}
Remember only the Allied players will be getting the GAME file: Allied players-it is a SAVED GAME FILE so save it into your CMBB "saved games" folder. (explained in the file you will get.) Axis players will save the file they get from their Allied opponent into their PBEM folder.
The Allied player should be getting his Allied setup out within 1-2 days. If you (Axis player) have not heard from your opponent within 3 days let me know!
Make sure you get in email contact with your opponent when you get the information to show you are ready to play- also explain any special play schedules you might have (only able to send files on X days, or can play weekends etc.).
If you have questions post or send a note to me.
Good luck to everyone. :nofear:
Thanks Palantir, it looks like an interesting scenario.
I have started my game...:bite:
Ok all you "Seeing the Elephant" players, the files will be working their way out tonight.
{minus Clements & Lone Wolf Texan}
Remember only the Allied players will be getting the GAME file: Allied players-it is a SAVED GAME FILE so save it into your CMBB "saved games" folder. (explained in the file you will get.) Axis players will save the file they get from their Allied opponent into their PBEM folder.
The Allied player should be getting his Allied setup out within 1-2 days. If you (Axis player) have not heard from your opponent within 3 days let me know!
Make sure you get in email contact with your opponent when you get the information to show you are ready to play- also explain any special play schedules you might have (only able to send files on X days, or can play weekends etc.).
If you have questions post or send a note to me.
Good luck to everyone. :nofear:
Palantir,
Will you post here when you've emailed out the games to everyone? Just in case there is a problem with email address.
Thanks
Rick
Sent my set-up off late Friday night.
I have sent set up file to my opponent.
Those who have not recieved starting email, remember to check your spam folder as i found my email there.
The "game" file was sent to the Allied players:
Ada
Antonius
Blade91
Cherper
Duck_feet
Gen Schmaeter
Irishwop67
JML
Joe CZ
Rickie
Setante
All other players (Axis) were sent informational files & briefings.
Setup file sent to Swing.
Palantir, I'm an idiot. I missed the fact that you didn't have my e-mail. I just sent you a PM on the topic but I'm guessing that I'm too late. Its a shame since I was one of the first signed up and the start was so delayed. If there is any way to squeeze me in, please let me know.
Bob
Since we are one player short (Lone Wolf Texan has not sent me his Email) we have room for another "Newbie" to play vs Clements.
First one to post here that qualifies as a Newbie & is registered & has a Email address posted is in. This will remain open only until 9/13.
I just got an e-mail from my opponent (Irishwop67) stating "Im sorry but after looking at the CMBB Tourney file i think im going to drop out. I just think its a tad to big for me, i have already notified the SZO Staff. Hope you will get another opponent soon to fill in. Take Care".:angry:
He stated he has also notified you. Hope you can drum up an opponent for me. Thanks again for everything you guys are doing.
WeAgs2
EDITED- New opponent will be Clements!
Finally sent game file to opponant!
Good luck guys!
Blade
I'm posting this here since it applies to both sides. Thi is first time I've played CM PBEM. The file naming seems confusing to me. My opponent and I have exchanged a few files. I started the naming convention using the 001, the second file I sent to him, I named 002 thinking that would make since, but actually, it was still turn 1, and in fact when he returned it to me still using the 002 name which seemed right, it was the turn 1 action phase, I watched action and returned to him for him to watch turn 1 action and plot his turn 2, manual-wise I just completed step 5 in PBEM sequence, but the file name I used was ....002action.
This doesnt seem very intuitive to me. I feel like this should have been named 001final or 001action or something.
I read your doc about file naming, but could you go into a bit more detail on file naming conventions commonly used?
I've also invited my opponent to let me know if he has a better way to do this.
Also, I tend to be pretty cautious, so I tend to save all of my files (both recieved and sent). Is there any benefit to this? i.e. are thes of any use in event of file corruption?
Sorry for questions that probably seem pretty obvious to veterans.
Rick
There is no one correct way to name files.
However, allow me to offer some suggestions from experience. Don't worry about turns; instead use a "numbering" system that allows each of you to identify each file in its order. I have found it easiest to use a numeric based system in which the files numbered (in smaller games--in larger ones [not applicable here] I start with 001) XXX_game_T01, 02, 03, 04, etc. in order. I have also found it easier for one and only one player to also use a letter designator to further identify each file he creates. For example, 01, 02a, 03, 04a. So if I am the second player I can instantly recognize each file I have created by knowing that it has an even numbered file and ends in "a". If I am the first player, I know that each file I created has an odd number and no letter follows that number. KISS! This is especially helpful when you are playing more than one game.
I just use the next number in order 001/002/003 etc.
Example: Allied move 011/Axis move 012/ Movie file 013...
John Powderly
15 Sep 06, 03:12
I finally completed my set-up and sent the file back to ADA. That's a tricky map...placing the units required lots of decisions.
And now, I wait...
Mad Russian
15 Sep 06, 08:00
When playing PBEM's I normally keep the last two full game turns or about 6 emails. That way I have the latest turns "backed up" but don't have 110 email files on my computer. For those of you only playing one game that may not seem like much...wait until you have 7,8 or 10+ games going.
And as far as returning game files I check my emails to see which ones I have sent return emails to. Helps me not skip over anybody.
Good Luck and Good Hunting.
MR
Mad Russian
15 Sep 06, 08:01
That's a tricky map...placing the units required lots of decisions.
Thanks...that was the intent.
Good Luck and Good Hunting.
MR
OK, antoher general question, now that I'm actually playing an email game, for me at least, it seems to be easy to lose track of what pahse of a turn I'm getting from my opponent. I've adopted a naming scheme where we simply increment numbers, to keep things simple. But when I get a turn, I have a hard time rembering if I'm going to just watch, or if I'm going to watch and plot.
The computer takes of it for me of course, but I'd like to know ahead of time so I can budget my time better. I'f I'm just going to watch a replay, I can do that and zip that file back to my opponent in nothing flat, but if I'm going to actually have to think about what I'm doing I need a little more time (I'm not one of these 3 minutes and I'm done movers, I'm old and slow).
So, question: Do you vets use any chklist of current email games to keep track of phase youre in (or some other aid?)?
And, on a related note, can you save an email turn in middle of your phase, then load it later and continue on (i.e, if somthing like well supper interupts it?
I'm not sure how you vets manage to not get confused when you're playing multiple email CMBB games. I have to admit, I am looking forward to getting a turn in the mail (though that will probably stop quick when it means I'm getting shot at).
Thanks
Rick
Every PBEM game goes in a three phase cycle. Where you start within that three phase cycle depends on who began the game. and of course depends upon when you start counting them. The three phases are:
1. View movie and return the file you generate to your opponent
2. Plot orders only (there is no movie to watch) and return
3. View movie, then plot orders and return
You will generally see that the phase 2 files are smaller than in the other two phases, as it does not contain a movie. All other things being equal (meaning a rough equivalence in movement and combat), the phase 1 & 3 files should be roughly the same size.
After the initial force placement files, the first player (who also did his initial force placement first) will plot orders only--this will be the third file exchanged in the game. The second player will then plot his orders, hit go and generate a movie file that the first player will get to see when he receives file number four from the second player.
Every PBEM game goes in a three phase cycle. Where you start within that three phase cycle depends on who began the game. and of course depends upon when you start counting them. The three phases are:
1. View movie and return the file you generate to your opponent
2. Plot orders only (there is no movie to watch) and return
3. View movie, then plot orders and return
And why is the 2nd phase needed? Why can't we just view the results of the previous turn and plot moves for the next?
Mad Russian
17 Sep 06, 16:40
And why is the 2nd phase needed? Why can't we just view the results of the previous turn and plot moves for the next?
The watch and then plot alternates between players each cycle. It was a way to make the system more tamper proof I think...
Good Luck and Good Hunting.
MR
Our game with John has ended. Axis minor victory. I've submitted report to the ladder.
WTG John ;)
John Powderly
29 Sep 06, 02:14
It was a very tough go. Two tiny German teams made all the difference. If it weren't for those teams, Anton probably would have carried the day. The flag was not controlled at the end - the game was decided on casualty count.
Good gaming with you, Anton. We'll start another game soon!
Some early results from {edit}"'HSG B Guards At Klematina'," 6 games reported in.
Allies:
Major- 1
Axis:
Major- 2
Minor- 3
:hmmm: Seems the Axis have a strong upper hand in this one. :crosseye:
Check the CM tourney page for individual results.
Kerry,
Hope you are feeling better. As you know, I goofed on the report for the first game of the tourney, thanks for deleting it. Additionally, do I need to send you the last game turn that I had from round two so that you can ceasefire it and determine the point total? Just let me know and thanks again.
Mike
Mad Russian
24 Nov 06, 23:16
Some early results from "HSG AM First Clash," 6 games reported in.
Allies:
Major- 1
Axis:
Major- 2
Minor- 3
:hmmm: Seems the Axis have a strong upper hand in this one. :crosseye:
Check the CM tourney page for individual results.
WHAT??!!! Even with all of my excellent tutoring?!! :p
That is interesting. During playtest BOTH sides complained bitterly about this scenario being unbalanced in the OTHER SIDES FAVOR!!! It was quite funny actually but very hard to balance that way.
The results are actually historical since the Romanians did win this fight but I would have thought that the Soviet gamers could have done better in six games than to only win one of them. I'm assuming that the big difference in the games played here and our playtests is tactics. These scenarios were playtested using veteran gamers and it is hard to determine what inexperienced gamers will do. Or how a scenario, or QB, will play between a group of gamers at any level.
In any event, I'm surprised to see the dominance by the Axis gamers here. I would have though that the more experienced gamer should be Axis in this scenario, with the harder task to win, being placed on the Axis gamer. That, of course, depends on what the Allied gamer does....
Very interesting.
Good Hunting.
MR
Some early results from "HSG AM First Clash," 6 games reported in.
Allies:
Major- 1
Axis:
Major- 2
Minor- 3
:hmmm: Seems the Axis have a strong upper hand in this one. :crosseye:
Check the CM tourney page for individual results.
Aren't these actually the results for the first scenario 'HSG B Guards At Klematina (http://www.xtreme-gamer.com/forums/wfhq-ld-ladder-games.php?ld=on&ladder=&scenario=6308)' between The Russians and the Germans, or are there games that are finished but not on the tournament page yet?
According to the tournament webpage there have only been two results reported for the second scenario 'HSG AM First Clash (http://www.xtreme-gamer.com/forums/wfhq-ld-ladder-games.php?ld=on&ladder=&scenario=6309)' with one victory each way so far, so fairly well balanced so far as MR predicted.
Doof! My error you are correct! :halo:
Due to the MASS confusion concerning players dropping in & out of round one, if you have a Round 1 game still going on please let me know.
Ok, Round one is about to wrap up (one match never got off the ground but we're working on that) So rd 3 will start once I know who is still in.
Gen Schmaeter
09 Dec 06, 21:49
StE Round 1
Gen S (Allies) vs Simonsezdie (Axis)
Allied Minor Victory 62% vs. 38%
An excellent battle!
Gen Schmaeter
09 Dec 06, 22:01
Still looking for a Round 2 opponent though = (
Gen Schmaeter,
Did you ever receive my file for our CMBB GB-Recon game? I've sent it a couple of times but but maybe it went missing. Anyway I've sent it again today. I'm keen to get through the last few turns and finish it.
Paired you two up- (GS & Antonious) Allied file on the way to Antonious.
Palantir,
I already have a round two opponent and am half way through the game, thanks. However, I saw on another thread that there is someone else without a round two opponent due to drop-outs. Perhaps GD could play him?
mangus2000
29 Dec 06, 15:32
Here are the results from the previous rounds.............Drum roll...................
Allied----------------------Axis
ada (15)------------vs--- John Powderly (0) AXIS (1409) Minor Victory
antonius (23)--------vs ---redbear415 (0) ALLIES (1362) Minor Victory
Blade91 (21)---------vs ---Kineas (79 AXIS (1409) Major Victory
Cherper (0)----------vs ---Stndrtnfhr (30 AXIS (1409) Major Victory
clements (0)---------vs ---weags2 (0) AXIS (1409) Major Victory
Gen Schmaeter (62)--vs ---simonsezdie (0 ALLIES (1362) Minor Victory
JML (19)-------------vs ---KG_Crimson (19 Draw
Joe Cz (0)------------vs ---cwsommer (0) -
Rickie (0)------------vs ---neon (23) AXIS (1409) Minor Victory
setanta (0)----------vs ---Swing (0) AXIS (1409) Minor Victory
John Powderly
29 Dec 06, 18:57
Mangus,
A minor correction for your table in message #154 - I was axis, and ADA was allies. However, the result you show is correct - Axis minor victory.
What do the numbers in the parentheses mean? Just wondering.
mangus2000
29 Dec 06, 20:49
Cheers for that John, i relly need to be kept on a short lease sometimes:o
Not too sure what the numbers mean, i'll try to find out for you.
Mad Russian
30 Dec 06, 00:45
Cheers for that John, i relly need to be kept on a short lease sometimes:o
Not too sure what the numbers mean, i'll try to find out for you.
Are those just the results for round 1 or for all games finished in the tournament so far?
Good Hunting.
MR
mangus2000
30 Dec 06, 06:43
Are those just the results for round 1 or for all games finished in the tournament so far?
Good Hunting.
MR
Just round1 at the moment, will get round 2 up today. Only 4 games finished in that one so far.
Here are the results from the previous rounds.............Drum roll...................
Allied----------------------Axis
ada (15)------------vs--- John Powderly (0) AXIS (1409) Minor Victory
antonius (23)--------vs ---redbear415 (0) ALLIES (1362) Minor Victory
Blade91 (21)---------vs ---Kineas (79 AXIS (1409) Major Victory
Cherper (0)----------vs ---Stndrtnfhr (30 AXIS (1409) Major Victory
clements (0)---------vs ---weags2 (0) AXIS (1409) Major Victory
Gen Schmaeter (62)--vs ---simonsezdie (0 ALLIES (1362) Minor Victory
JML (19)-------------vs ---KG_Crimson (19 Draw
Joe Cz (0)------------vs ---cwsommer (0) -
Rickie (0)------------vs ---neon (23) AXIS (1409) Minor Victory
setanta (0)----------vs ---Swing (0) AXIS (1409) Minor Victory
A quick question regarding the scores. I entered my own score but used the battle points that came up in the ladder report rather than the percentage at the end of the game. Is that right? I assumed so but I notice that the other allied minor victory is down as 62 rather than the 23 I got. One of these must be wrong mustn't it? It looks like one or two others might have used the percentage instead of battle points too.
mangus2000
31 Dec 06, 06:37
Mangus. What do the numbers in the parentheses mean? Just wondering.
They are the points spent by each winning team, so 1409 is what was spent on the Axis force and 1362 for the Allies.
Antonius, regarding the difference in points. I'm not too sure how Palantir was doing the points for the StE, i'll get back to you on this one:o
mangus2000
31 Dec 06, 06:48
The latest results for Rnd 2 HSG AM FIRST CLASH are as follow
Allied-------------Axis
Cherper (0) vs--Swing (0) AXIS (1700) Total Victory
JML (28) ---vs--Stndrtnfhr (12) AXIS (1700) Tactical Victory
Okimaw (0) -vs--weags2 (0) ALLIES (1250) Total Victory
Rickie (0) ---vs--simonsezdie (0) ALLIES (1250) Total Victory
Mad Russian
31 Dec 06, 22:26
The latest results for Rnd 2 HSG AM FIRST CLASH are as follow
Allied-------------Axis
Cherper (0) vs--Swing (0) AXIS (1700) Total Victory
JML (28) ---vs--Stndrtnfhr (12) AXIS (1700) Tactical Victory
Okimaw (0) -vs--weags2 (0) ALLIES (1250) Total Victory
Rickie (0) ---vs--simonsezdie (0) ALLIES (1250) Total Victory
How many games are still being played of Round 2?
Good Hunting.
MR
John Powderly
01 Jan 07, 00:20
I am very near the end of my game with Clements. Turn 21 just started.
John Powderly
01 Jan 07, 00:31
Mangus - thanks for the information regarding the four-digit numbers.
Like Antonius, I am also curious about the two-digit numbers.
And don't worry about not knowing - I understand you picked this up from Palantir. Just make sure you get that report on our desk first thing in the morning. :laugh::clown:
mangus2000
01 Jan 07, 06:25
MR "How many games are still being played of Round 2?"
There are 7 more games to finish.
John P "Just make sure you get that report on our desk first thing in the morning."
Yes Master:hail: :hail: :hail: ;) ;) ;)
Myself and KG-Crimson are still playing our Round 2 game and are about 2/3 of the way through it. Slow but progressing steadily. A fascinating battle by the way.
Mad Russian
01 Jan 07, 11:46
Myself and KG-Crimson are still playing our Round 2 game and are about 2/3 of the way through it. Slow but progressing steadily. A fascinating battle by the way.
Yeah....Mangus thinks so too....:horse: :hurray: :bandrum:
Good Hunting.
MR
Mad Russian
01 Jan 07, 11:47
Okay then...how many gamers do we have in Round 3?
Those that are still alive in the villages and those on the hills..... :surprise:
Good Hunting.
MR
Okay then...how many gamers do we have in Round 3?
Those that are still alive in the villages and those on the hills..... :surprise:
Good Hunting.
MR
I'm still in Rnd 3. Fairly early in game.
RIck
mangus2000
02 Jan 07, 18:15
How many games are still being played of Round 2?
Good Hunting.
MR
Sent out an email to all participants to contact me, so we can see if they are still playing or not.
Mad Russian
02 Jan 07, 23:08
Sent out an email to all participants to contact me, so we can see if they are still playing or not.
I would think so. You need some kind of an idea who is still playing what rounds and who they are playing. I know that Palantir was having some issues with this. Several players dropped and several more joined and they just seemed to pair themselves up and start playing! LOL!!!!
My kind of tournament. A round robin tourney!!! :cool:
Good Hunting.
MR
John Powderly
03 Jan 07, 03:26
Dan,
I tried to reply to your e-mail but it couldn't get through 65.54.244.8. A Trace Route declared the IP unreachable.
My second-round game with Clements is soon to end. However, my third-round game has, perhaps, stalled. I have not heard from Gen Schmaeter in almost a week. I'll send another couple of e-mails and keep you informed.
I would think so. You need some kind of an idea who is still playing what rounds and who they are playing. I know that Palantir was having some issues with this. Several players dropped and several more joined and they just seemed to pair themselves up and start playing! LOL!!!!
My kind of tournament. A round robin tourney!!! :cool:
Good Hunting.
MR
Dan,
I tried email twice, but it was rejected. I'm still in, playing rnd 3 scenario against Joe.
Finished rnd 1 and 2.
Thanks!
Rick
Dan,
Your mailbox was 'unavailable'. Anyway I'm still playing my round 2 and 3 games and really enjoying the experience.
Dan, guys,
Happy New Year!
I'm still playing; just started my Round 3 game vs. JML, after completing rounds 1 & 2.
Thanks for the work taking over the reins, Dan.
miguel.
Stndrtnfhr
03 Jan 07, 11:06
Dan,
My email to you was rejected, I am playing Neon in rd 2 as his first opponent quit. I have started round 3 with Simonsezdie and that game is into turn 5, so all is well.
Stndrtnfhr Out!
mangus2000
03 Jan 07, 14:20
Rnd 3 games to be finished
ada vs setanta (MIA)
antonius vs Kineas
Cherper vs redbear415 (MIA)
Joe Cz vs Rickie
John Powderly vs Gen Schmaeter (MIA)
KG_Crimson (MIA) vs weags2 (MIA)
neon vs Okimaw
Stndrtnfhr vs simonsezdie (MIA)
Swing (MIA) vs JML
Rnd 2 games to be finished
ada vs cwsommer (MIA)
antonius vs KG_Crimson (MIA)
clements (MIA) vs John Powderly
Gen Schmaeter (MIA) vs thewood (MIA)
Joe Cz vs Kineas (MIA)
setanta (MIA) vs redbear415 (MIA)
Stndrtnfhr vs neon
Rnd 1, games to be finished
Joe Cz vs cwsommer (MIA)
The MIA just indicates that you have not replyed in person to my email. I know they have bounced back but feel free to PM or post a reply.
As far as i can tell the ones who seem to be definatley out
cwsommer
redbear415
setanta
I think i will give it 2 weeks from today for reply from all players then i will take them off the list.
With regards to the games that are going to be lost, once i know for sure who's out and i will rematch you if you want.
Swing is around. I just recieved turn from him.
Mangus,
Sent you an e-mail that bounced and so sent a PM (pasted below).
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Tried to send this via e-mail but my message was returned:
Dan,
My Rd2 game with kineas is on turn 19/20+
Rd3 game with Rickie has recently started--one turn played.
I saw on the forum that you have me listed as playing cwsommer in Rd1. That's news to me. I started against Timu24, but he dropped out early on. I later received a cc on a message from Kerry to cwsommer asking him if he'd like to play me, but never heard anything further. I'd be happy to play it, but would prefer to play as Allies, since that's what I was assigned originally. Never had any enemy contact in my original game.
Thanks for taking over the chore of managing this beast of a tournament. Happy New Year!
Joe Cz
mangus2000
05 Jan 07, 08:20
Got your PM Joe cz, so no worries ;)
Update.
I've recently recieved turn from Setanta, so rd3 is going again.
As for round 2, Cwsommer was my 1st opponent, when he dropped out, we arranged game with Gen Schmaeter. Unfortunately, he has gone MIA too.
redbear415
08 Jan 07, 07:23
i started my 3rd turn yestarday and i am finishing 2sd round every thing goes fine
mangus2000
08 Jan 07, 08:39
Just to keep you all updated on the current situation regarding players involved, point allocation and Passwords.
We have Setanta and RedBear on side so hopefully apart from cwsommer we have a full roster, if not please bing to my attention!
I have emailed Kerry to see how he was allocating points, am gonna give it another week or so and if no reply i will do an over-haul of the points.
What i will be doing is taking your scores as reported on the ladder for your points. For example Blade91 (21) vs Kineas (79) AXIS (1409) Major Victory will then read Blade91 (8) vs Kineas (30) AXIS (1409) Major Victory
I hope you find this fair but if you have any concerns then feel free to voice them to me.
With regards to the password problem Redbear bought to my attention, as above i have emailed Kerry and hopefully he can update me on what they are aswell.
Once again apologies for all the confusion.
redbear415
08 Jan 07, 12:26
well the game between setanta and me is almost finished i think there is one or two more turns to finish it i s he send me the file it will finish this week.
John Powderly
08 Jan 07, 17:37
Mangus/Dan,
Sounds like you're on top of things - thank you very much!
Now if only my Round 3 opponent would reappear...I want to play with Tigers!
At this rate, I'll be forced to ask ADA for another game...:clown: :laugh:
redbear415
08 Jan 07, 18:04
well round 3 i don play with the tigers:( i i have seen some nasty cats coming my way hehehe
Hi Dan,
The game with JML ended with a Ceasefire asked by me after testing the hard way what the Tigers can do. Victory went to him as he played with the presence of mind that I found lacking, so our 3rd round game is over.
Russian Tactical Victory, I believe. JML will confirm, though.
Congrats again to him for a well deserved victory over the evil Tigers! :clap:
miguel.
Just to let you know, not MIA. Got REAL busy with holidays and selling a house. I need to get my priorities figured out! Sent turn one of Rnd 3 to my opponent and am waiting a reply. Can't wait!
Mike
John Powderly
15 Jan 07, 19:37
I received a turn from Gen Schmaeter yesterday. Just FYI.
mangus2000
16 Jan 07, 03:13
LAtest Game Reports Rnd 2
Axis----------------Allies
JML...............vs.....Stndrtnfhr.........AXIS (1700) Tactical Victory
Joe Cz............vs.....Kineas.............ALLIES (1250) Minor Victory
Okimaw..........vs.....weags2............ALLIES (1250) Total Victory
Rickie.............vs.....simonsezdie......ALLIES (1250) Total Victory
setanta..........vs ....redbear415.......ALLIES (1250) Major Victory
Cherper..........vs.... Swing..............AXIS (1700) Total Victory
clements.........vs....John Powderly....ALLIES (1250) Major Victory
Still outstanding
ada (0) vs Gen Schmaeter (0)
antonius (0) vs KG_Crimson (0)
Stndrtnfhr (0) vs neon (0)
I will be redoing the points in the next few days as i have not heard from Kerry.
PS: Could a Allied and Axis player email me the documents they received with thier first game files for each match please, i need this to rearrange a couple of matches:D
Gen Schmaeter (0) vs thewood (0)
ada (0) vs cwsommer (0)
As Gen Schmaeter's and mine opponents for round 2 dropped out of tourney, Palantir arranged round 2 game between us. This game is nearly at end now.
mangus2000
17 Jan 07, 12:32
As Gen Schmaeter's and mine opponents for round 2 dropped out of tourney, Palantir arranged round 2 game between us. This game is nearly at end now.
Cheers for that, will amend!
mangus2000
17 Jan 07, 14:50
I have altered the scores now and the leaderboard looks like this
Total Score
weags2: 66
John Powderly: 55
Kineas: 54
simonsezdie: 51
Cherper: 48
JML: 47
redbear415: 47
Stndrtnfhr: 42
Swing: 27
antonius: 23
Gen Schmaeter: 23
neon: 23
setanta: 23
KG_Crimson: 19
Rickie: 19
clements: 16
Joe Cz: 16
ada: 15
Blade91: 8
Okimaw: 4
cwsommer: 0
duck_feet: 0
irishwop67: 0
LoneWolf Texan: 0
thewood: 0
timu24: 0
Still all to play for at the top, any reports on how the current turns have been?
My round 2 game has ground to a standstill as I haven't heard from KG_Crimson in over a month. Has anyone heard from him? We were about 2/3 through the game.
My round 3 game against Kineas is progressing at a good rate and we are about half way through. He is playing it cool as the defender and keeping well hidden as I approach the village. Very very quiet...
KG_Crimson
18 Jan 07, 10:34
Ant,
I am at work right now and I don't remember getting a file for quite some time. I just thought you were on an extended break for the holidays. I have sent a few emails with no reply, when I get home I will see what the last file I sent was.
Sincerely,
Andrew
Ant,
I am at work right now and I don't remember getting a file for quite some time. I just thought you were on an extended break for the holidays. I have sent a few emails with no reply, when I get home I will see what the last file I sent was.
Sincerely,
AndrewOK Andrew no problem. I sent my last file a couple of times so obviously some emails have gone astray, both yours and mine by the sound of it. I'll resent my last file again (dated 16 Dec) again and we can take it from there. It's a good game anyway:)
KG_Crimson
18 Jan 07, 21:25
I got your resend and I sent file 45a your way.
Good Luck the rest of the way!:)
mangus2000
26 Jan 07, 18:26
And Cherper has crept up for number 5 to steal first place, it's gonna be neck and neck for the finish, can weags scrape through and win by a nose? will Stndrtnfhr edge it by a nsoe?
Only time will tell!
Total Score
Cherper: 89
weags2: 66
Stndrtnfhr: 63
John Powderly: 55
Kineas: 54
redbear415: 51
simonsezdie: 51
JML: 47
Swing: 27
antonius: 23
Gen Schmaeter: 23
neon: 23
setanta: 23
KG_Crimson: 19
Rickie: 19
clements: 16
Joe Cz: 16
ada: 15
Blade91: 8
Okimaw: 4
cwsommer: 0
duck_feet: 0
irishwop67: 0
LoneWolf Texan: 0
thewood: 0
timu24: 0
Mad Russian
26 Jan 07, 20:48
And Cherper has crept up for number 5 to steal first place, it's gonna be neck and neck for the finish, can weags scrape through and win by a nose? will Stndrtnfhr edge it by a nsoe?
Only time will tell!
Time and the last scenario. The toughest scenario was saved for graduation!!
:hurray: :horse: :devil:
Of course, by now, you have noticed that these scenarios are pretty easy wins for both sides!
Good Luck and Good Hunting.
MR
mangus2000
26 Jan 07, 21:09
Time and the last scenario. The toughest scenario was saved for graduation!!
:hurray: :horse: :devil:
Of course, by now, you have noticed that these scenarios are pretty easy wins for both sides!
Good Luck and Good Hunting.
MR
I don't know about 1st Clash!:laugh:
John Powderly
27 Jan 07, 23:41
Anyone seen Gen Schmaeter recently? I think it's been about two weeks since we exchanged files...:(
I'd like to recieve a turn from him too. :(
Mad Russian
29 Jan 07, 09:04
I don't know about 1st Clash!:laugh:
1st Clash isn't all that tough. The Soviets have numbers and the Romanians have something far more important...intelligence. This should allow the Romanians to concentrate their firepower wherever they want it.
Either in a big block of firepower or in smaller blocks that outmaneuver the Soviets.
An all across the map advance, with no concentration anywhere, will get you cut to pieces by this Soviet tank force. The Soviets only have T-26's. The armour is like paper. So is the R2 armour. Then what is the difference? The Romanian reaction time! To put the Soviet armor in a position that it has to defend multiple threats from different directions at the same time.
A mass of Romanian tanks coming over either the left or right flank of the Soviet position will give the advantage of having to deal with only a portion of the defenders immediately while the R player has numbers in his favor. Once the S tank force starts to deteriorate the game is on it's way to the history books. Especially if there are some tanks on the other flank to take advantage of that initial OMG knee jerk when the S player sees his forces being hit on a flank with the concentrated R tanks. Once his tanks turn to face the concentration a delayed attack force moves over the ridge and then hits those tanks in the flank as well since they turned to face the concentration. At this point no matter which way a S tank turns it is being hit in the flank.
This is basic warfare. Demonstate in front of them to get their attention then hit them in the flanks. This map will allow that.
Hope this helps.
Good Hunting.
MR
Another Round 3 Result:
HSG S Surprise
Antonius (Axis) 53% -v- Kineas (Allied) 47% -- DRAW
Respect to Kineas who fought a good battle. I actually thought I had lost and feel fortunate to have achieved a draw.
A really enjoyable scenario.:toast:
Yes, it was a good game, with a good turn rate. Thanks for the game. (No more analysis here, I almost posted a spoiler...)
Mad Russian
30 Jan 07, 20:23
Yes, it was a good game, with a good turn rate. Thanks for the game. (No more analysis here, I almost posted a spoiler...)
LOL!!! No, no more analysis here. We will have a thread for this one as soon as more of you finish it. I can't wait to see the different sides of how you think this one went. Tigers and Tiger hunters!!
Palantir, Nemisis Lead, General Failure and I playtested these scenarios.
It was hard to determine how they would play with less experienced gamers than how they turned out when we tried them. I'm glad to see that they are so far doing well. My deepest thanks for the playtesting help I recieved from the playtest group.
And no matter what NL says he plays scenarios just fine!!
Good Hunting.
MR
Round 2 Result:
HSG AM FIRST CLASH (CMBB) (http://www.strategyzoneonline.com/forums/wfhq-ld-ladder-games.php?ld=on&ladder=CM%3A+Scenarios+and+Operations&scenario=6309)
Antonius (Axis) 49% -v- KG_Crimson (Allied) 51% -- DRAW
Well played KG_Crimson! A very balanced and really enjoyable battle.:toast:
John Powderly
05 Feb 07, 00:10
To the Tournament Coordinator,
Gen Schmaeter still has not responded to my e-mails. Sadly, I request that this Round 3 game be cancelled. Please advise. Thanks.
mangus2000
05 Feb 07, 08:37
I will email him tonight. If i do not recieve a reply in 2 days the match will be yours.
How as it going? was there a probable outcome?
Mad Russian
05 Feb 07, 21:57
I will email him tonight. If i do not recieve a reply in 2 days the match will be yours.
How as it going? was there a probable outcome?
What is more important is the fact that the scenario doesn't get finished by JP...
We need to find a replacement if we can....how far along is this match?
Good Hunting.
MR
John Powderly
06 Feb 07, 02:37
The match really hadn't even started. I believe turn 1 was executed and played back, but I don't recall seeing a turn 2. He sent an e-mail stating that work was very demanding at this time, so I was patient.
If the game is cancelled, please call it a draw. There's no way to determine who would have bettered whom.
I'll be happy to match up against a substitute Red Army player.
mangus2000
06 Feb 07, 17:54
Any takers to match up with John?
Mad Russian
08 Feb 07, 23:54
Any takers to match up with John?
Got an opponent for JP yet? I may have a candidate if you don't have.
Good Hunting.
MR
mangus2000
09 Feb 07, 03:45
Got an opponent for JP yet? I may have a candidate if you don't have.
Good Hunting.
MR
Sign em up MR!
Mad Russian
10 Feb 07, 16:16
Sign em up MR!
I asked him. We'll see if he joins now.
I don't think he has played many ladder games at all. I played him his first PBEM game a couple months ago. We have played several since then but not these.
He should hold his own now. I have tried to show him some of the basics to winning the game of CM. If he joins I guess we'll see how good a mentor I can be. Or maybe not as the case may be.... :surprise:
Good Hunting.
MR
mangus2000
10 Feb 07, 16:33
If he's on the ladder, just gimme his name i'll join him up on the tourny board.
Mad Russian
10 Feb 07, 17:04
If he's on the ladder, just gimme his name i'll join him up on the tourny board.
He's not even a member here yet. We'll see if he's interested enough to join. He really likes the game so we'll see.
Good Hunting.
MR
Mad Russian
10 Feb 07, 23:33
He decided against coming into the tournament. So we still need a body. I'll play
JP if nobody else is available. I'm pretty new to ladder games. Only on my second one. While I did make the scenario I would be on defense as the Soviets and it would make my knowledge much less important.
Whatever you guys want to do is fine with me.
Good Hunting.
MR
John Powderly
11 Feb 07, 04:16
Back from LA....great place to visit.
Hmm...why do I think Mad Russian would crush me like a gnat?:)
Mad Russian
11 Feb 07, 11:39
Back from LA....great place to visit.
Hmm...why do I think Mad Russian would crush me like a gnat?:)
I have no idea...I wouldn't be attacking you would. There will be no Soviet "crushing like a gnat" to any German with Tigers unless you have something that can take them out at range.
In this scenario the Soviets are tasked with keeping the village not Tiger hunting. You keep the Tigers back at range they are safe. Question is can you do that? Are the Germans strong enough to keep the Tigers back out of harms way or do they have to come on in? Can the Soviets keep the village under their control?
You can ask anyone that has ever played me that I am a very conservative and cautious player that is very timid...both on attack and defense.... :lier: :crosseye:
I can guarantee an experience that you will not get with another player. I won't take advantage of the fact that you are new and do outlandish things to you...just ask Mangus...but wait until you finish Black Pigs, the last scenario of the tournament...he'll have an insight or two of how aggressive or passive I can be and what kind of an opponent.
You call. We can still keep trying to find somebody else.
Good Hunting.
MR
KG_Crimson
11 Feb 07, 18:44
Round 2 Result:
HSG AM FIRST CLASH (CMBB) (http://www.strategyzoneonline.com/forums/wfhq-ld-ladder-games.php?ld=on&ladder=CM%3A+Scenarios+and+Operations&scenario=6309)
Antonius (Axis) 49% -v- KG_Crimson (Allied) 51% -- DRAW
Well played KG_Crimson! A very balanced and really enjoyable battle.:toast:
It was indeed a very well played engagement. A very good opponent!
Thank you.
John Powderly
11 Feb 07, 23:39
baah....how bad could it be? I've already been trashed so bad by ADA that I'm afraid to install CMAK!
Send your e-mail addy and I'll send you the most recent file.
Mad Russian
12 Feb 07, 22:34
baah....how bad could it be? I've already been trashed so bad by ADA that I'm afraid to install CMAK!
Send your e-mail addy and I'll send you the most recent file.
If you are referring to playing against me, not bad at all....I'm routinely beaten.
I had a playtester beat me on both sides of my own scenario once during playtest. He beat me both as the Germans and the Russians. I just went ahead and released it after that. I knew it could be won from both sides and in a H2H match that is all I was trying to determine.
My email is:
sro_cm@yahoo.com
I always answer questions, comments or other CM issues for those that email me as well. Just make sure you put something in the title of the email that shows it is CM related.
Good Hunting.
MR
I will email him tonight. If i do not recieve a reply in 2 days the match will be yours.
I haven't recieved responce from Gen Schmaeter since Jan 14. I suppose our game was nearly at end. I can e-mail my last turn to you.
In fact, it's a second time I've almost finished round 2 scenario :D First as Axis, now as Allies, opponnents dropping out of tourney in both cases.
Mad Russian
14 Feb 07, 20:10
baah....how bad could it be? I've already been trashed so bad by ADA that I'm afraid to install CMAK!
Send your e-mail addy and I'll send you the most recent file.
Did you get my return email to you? I sent you a reply and am now awaiting your attack with my men hugging the bottoms of their foxholes....
Just so you all know, Mangus has played, or is playing me, in all four of the tournament scenarios. So that he has a good idea of the kind of scenarios that are in the tournament. Since he didn't set it up, he thought it would be good idea to play them.
He will tell you that I am a mild mannered and meek commander....:eek:
Good Hunting.
MR
John Powderly
15 Feb 07, 03:47
Sent...I appreciate the opportunity to destroy a village....
mangus2000
15 Feb 07, 06:00
He will tell you that I am a mild mannered and meek commander....:eek:
Good Hunting.
MR
Try sneaky and underhand:laugh:
As i said to him the other day, hulldown T34s are just not cricket:angry:
Mad Russian
16 Feb 07, 00:15
Try sneaky and underhand:laugh:
As i said to him the other day, hulldown T34s are just not cricket:angry:
Hey, I resemble that remark...besides he just killed two of my T-34's...hull down or not...
Good Hunting.
MR
Mad Russian
16 Feb 07, 19:17
Sent...I appreciate the opportunity to destroy a village....
Im still trying to get the password. If you werent too deep into the game we could start again. Or not as you decide. We can wait on the pass word and go from where you are now.
Good Hunting.
MR
John Powderly
17 Feb 07, 05:12
Starting over is fine. Actually it would probably be better because otherwise you would be tied down to a set-up that you might not want.
Mad Russian
17 Feb 07, 20:04
Starting over is fine. Actually it would probably be better because otherwise you would be tied down to a set-up that you might not want.
Your choice. If you want to start over send me your setup. If you want to wait we can.
I'll take his setup or use one of mine. If you think about it the default setup is MINE!!!
Good Hunting.
MR
Mad Russian
21 Feb 07, 22:21
Starting over is fine. Actually it would probably be better because otherwise you would be tied down to a set-up that you might not want.
Did you get the turn I sent you? Not a start up but the game in progress?
Let me know. if not I'll send it again.
Good Hunting.
MR
John Powderly
22 Feb 07, 02:08
Received and replied tonight. Sorry for the delay.
Our Round 3 game with Setanta has just ended in Axis (me) major victory.
He was very good at killing my infantry as I got 24 casualties, but Tigers are Tigers.
Anyway I was surprised by 2 things - the bridge wasn't mined at all!! And I lost a lot of time moving tanks through all this scattered trees along the river . Another surprise was that Mark didn't try to sneak by river bank with his horde of T34s and rush my Tigers.
Mad Russian
24 Feb 07, 10:24
Our Round 3 game with Setanta has just ended in Axis (me) major victory.
He was very good at killing my infantry as I got 24 casualties, but Tigers are Tigers.
Anyway I was surprised by 2 things - the bridge wasn't mined at all!! And I lost a lot of time moving tanks through all this scattered trees along the river . Another surprise was that Mark didn't try to sneak by river bank with his horde of T34s and rush my Tigers.
Ok guys...if you're ready to start talking about this one then I'll open the thread. Let's don't discuss it in here.
I have opened a thread called: Eye of the Tiger...Let's Discuss Surprise! It doesn't go to the top of the page. Look for it down the thread listing.
Mangus, did you guys notice, that you have so many sticky threads here in the tournament section, that a normal thread almost doesn't make it to the front page? There should be enough posting in the tournament threads that they don't roll off the front page don't you think?
As usual, I posted my thoughts on the scenario and the strengths and weaknesses of each side. What tactics will win and what more than likely won't win.
This thread is open only to those that have finished the scenario...MANGUS KEEP OUT until we finish....lol....
Good Hunting.
MR
Mad Russian
24 Feb 07, 11:19
Why can I never find the tournament results????
Is there some plot to keep the tournament results so hard to find?
You guys have tons of tournaments shouldn't you have a simple way to find the results?
Or am I the only one who can't see the tree for the forest?
Good Hunting.
MR
Joe Cz reporting an Axis minor victory (woohoo, that's me!) over the Soviet hordes (that's Rickie). I'll go look for the scenario thread and post some hindsight over there. Final score: 58-42.
Is there a round 4 to this tourney? How many of us are still left?
This has been fun so far (though it wouldprobably have been more fun if I wasn't on the bottom of the ladder.).
Thanks for taking over on this MR.
Rick
Mad Russian
10 Mar 07, 10:13
Is there a round 4 to this tourney? How many of us are still left?
This has been fun so far (though it wouldprobably have been more fun if I wasn't on the bottom of the ladder.).
Thanks for taking over on this MR.
Rick
I haven't taken over. I'm just the supporting staff. Mangus is the one that took over. All credit goes in his corner.
There is a 4th scenario. The tournament was planned to have 4 scenarios and I have heard nothing that indicates that that has changed.
The fourth scenario is going to put everything you have learned in the first three to the test. You will feel abject horror or elation as the scenario moves through it's different stages of battle. It is quite different than the three battles before it and should prove to be quite instructive for those still wanting to be involved in the tournament.
Good Hunting
MR
I haven't taken over. I'm just the supporting staff. Mangus is the one that took over. All credit goes in his corner.
There is a 4th scenario. The tournament was planned to have 4 scenarios and I have heard nothing that indicates that that has changed.
The fourth scenario is going to put everything you have learned in the first three to the test. You will feel abject horror or elation as the scenario moves through it's different stages of battle. It is quite different than the three battles before it and should prove to be quite instructive for those still wanting to be involved in the tournament.
Good Hunting
MR
You mean I was supposed to learn something from these defeats??? (other than losing gracefully, I mean) Uh oh. I'm in trouble now.
Thanks M.R. You did the scenarios though didn't you? Haven't seen many posts from Mangus lately.
thanks
Rick