Open Source User Campaign Idea

[Double Deuce]

With all the popularity of "Open Source" programming going on out there on the internet an interesting idea (at least I think so) came to mind.

What if we created an "Open Source" User Campaign using either WinSPMBT or WinSPWW2?

What we do is come up with a central theme and each designer creates a single scenario (or more) to utilize the theme's core force. Once they are all done they are strung together into a single campaign. The scenario's could be used as projects to teach and help new designers as well as veterans. When needed, there will be tips and help with maps, storyline, etc.

Perhaps an "Alternate History" theme utilizing a multi-national force. I have some ideas I plan to expand on a little later.

It can be the central core of the new/coming soon Designer Subforum?

[John Osborne]

Count me in. Is this something like the Anzac Campaign?

John

[Double Deuce]

Count me in. Is this something like the Anzac Campaign? To some degree in that there will multiple designers. What I envision is for each designer to take the base storyline and add to it from their perspective, desires, wants and wishes. Something like a multi-national anti-terrorist force going from location to location to location. These locations can have multiple scenario's or single ones, whatever the designer wants to contribute.

I also have an idea for a post WWII campaign using WinSPWW2 (late 45-through 46) where a multinational force (US, UK, Soviet, etc) tracks down renegade nazi forces in South America/Africa, etc. This way there are no real historical limitations, only designer imagination and creativity. :smoke:

[Achilles]

Mike,

With all my activities, I don't know if I will be able to actually design scenarios, but for sure I will support you and provide anyone with technical consultation. :smoke:

cheers,
Pyros

[Double Deuce]

I'm mainly looking to use this as a Design Tutorial (with hands on training) for newer designers although veterans are definitely welcome to add to it and have some fun.

I'd ike to get some of the newer designers out there some experience before the next contest comes about around here. :cool:

[Skirmisher]

With all the popularity of "Open Source" programming going on out there on the internet an interesting idea (at least I think so) came to mind.

What if we created an "Open Source" User Campaign using either WinSPMBT or WinSPWW2?

What we do is come up with a central theme and each designer creates a single scenario (or more) to utilize the theme's core force. Once they are all done they are strung together into a single campaign. The scenario's could be used as projects to teach and help new designers as well as veterans. When needed, there will be tips and help with maps, storyline, etc.

Perhaps an "Alternate History" theme utilizing a multi-national force. I have some ideas I plan to expand on a little later.

It can be the central core of the new/coming soon Designer Subforum?


It's possible to assemble a jumble of independent scenarios into a campaign?:surprise:

[Double Deuce]

It's possible to assemble a jumble of independent scenarios into a campaign?:surprise:

Thats interesting, I would like to design one of the scenarios.

I need the experience.Should be no problem as long as they are designed around a consistently sized force. The designers will need to know the Player's basic force size and structure so they can balance the scenario(s). It would obviously take additional work connecting them into a single storyline and making sure rebuild points are appropriate but I think it could be done and would make for a very colorful and interesting campaign.

[Shortreengage]

I'm in, I like consistancy in my gaming with set forces.

[dita]

I`m up for this.

Looking for extra tuition in designing scenarios. Bumbling along at the moment with various ideas...

[Aries]

I'm not yet confident in ability to design. But I love to test em out fer ya :)

[Double Deuce]

Any more ideas?

I have a few and will elaborate on them once the latest forums changes are completed. I am leaning more toward an alternate history theme, using WinSPWW2 . . . Allied Commando's hunting Nazi's throughout the world 1945-1946.

[Col.Phil1]

Looks interesting. Allied forces hunting down germans makes alot of room for people to create something. I once made a camp in winspmbt with germans useing green oob(had to make the units) in 1950. The germans had a underground city built before the reich fell and was staffed with the finest scientist and officers. The underground city was dedicated to pumping out new tanks and other equipment. The allied forces had to find this base and destroy it but not before the germans got to use some of there experimental weopons and new panther 3s

[PatG]

Any more ideas?

I have a few and will elaborate on them once the latest forums changes are completed. I am leaning more toward an alternate history theme, using WinSPWW2 . . . Allied Commando's hunting Nazi's throughout the world 1945-1946.

Interesting idea that. It would allow for a multi-national core, minor (or major) nation AUX forces and scenarios anywhere in the world.

Hmmm... a snatch mission into the USSR to grab a captured nazi scientist and perhaps break some of the 6th army out of the Gulags....

[Double Deuce]

It would allow for a multi-national core, minor (or major) nation AUX forces and scenarios anywhere in the world.

Hmmm... a snatch mission into the USSR to grab a captured nazi scientist and perhaps break some of the 6th army out of the Gulags....Exactly. This would allow newer designers the freedom to be really creative while still keeping a central theme so the scenario(s) can be incorporated in a single campaign. Then when a designer needs guidance, assitance or whatever, it should be easier for anyone to jump in since we are all using basically the same parameters.

[Achilles]

Interesting idea that. It would allow for a multi-national core, minor (or major) nation AUX forces and scenarios anywhere in the world.

Hmmm... a snatch mission into the USSR to grab a captured nazi scientist and perhaps break some of the 6th army out of the Gulags....

Hi,

You can't use a multi-national core force during a campaign.
You may only use Allies as Aux/Fix units on the map.


cheers,
Pyros

[Double Deuce]

Sure you can, but I don't believe you can replace destroyed units with anything but the core force primary nationality.

[PDF]

Very interesting idea, I suppose it shoul dend up with something like SPWAW Mega campaigns, just better ! :laugh:
Still I suppose it'll require - as in MCs- some SP code changes to allow import/export of data with the SP engine, so we need to have the Camo people help/work, isn't it ?

[Double Deuce]

Very interesting idea, I suppose it shoul dend up with something like SPWAW Mega campaigns, just better ! :laugh:
Still I suppose it'll require - as in MCs- some SP code changes to allow import/export of data with the SP engine, so we need to have the Camo people help/work, isn't it ?Nope, it will done with the standard scenario and campaign editors. :smoke:

[Achilles]

Sure you can, but I don't believe you can replace destroyed units with anything but the core force primary nationality.

This is why I said that you can't!!! :PIMP:

Mike, as you remember from the early alpha versions of the ANZAC project if the player tried to fix a non-ANZAC destroyed core force unit then he would get a completely different type of ANZAC unit.

For example...the Greek Mtn infantry troops were replaced by ANZAC Matildas...LOL :laugh:

cheers,
pyros

[Double Deuce]

This is why I said that you can't!!! :PIMP:

Mike, as you remember from the early alpha versions of the ANZAC project if the player tried to fix a non-ANZAC destroyed core force unit then he would get a completely different type of ANZAC unit.

For example...the Greek Mtn infantry troops were replaced by ANZAC Matildas...LOL :laugh:
Who said I was gonna let them fix anything! :smoke:

[PDF]

Nope, it will done with the standard scenario and campaign editors. :smoke:

Huh, in this case what can it offer than the standard user campaign mode cannot ? :confused:

[Double Deuce]

Huh, in this case what can it offer than the standard user campaign mode cannot ? :confused:Sorry for the confusion.

The project would not be intended to make use of anything except the current editors. By open source I meant that people will add to the campaign as they choose to advance the storyline. A Core Force will be determined by the group and everyone will design their scenarios with that force as the basis. It will not be based on any historical battle or event so each designer will have the latitude to be as creative as they want.

It is primarily to be used as a teaching tool where new designers can contribute to a custom user campaign. Experienced designers will be asked to assist them by providing tips, tutorials and playtesting. Anyone can playtest anyone elses work, provide input, etc. Designers will have a seperate thread for their scenario(s) in a dedicated designer/playtester subforum. They can upoad their text and scenario files to the thread for review by others in the group. If you want help with a map, you post it and ask in your thread.

Basically, everyone is free to provide assistance to everyone as long as the central theme of the campaign is advanced.

[Double Deuce]

Here is some inspiration for a fun, open to the imagination, user campaign where historical limitations can be thrown out the window! The core force can be an international coalition formed to hunt them down across the globe, from South America to Antartica to Africa. :stirthepot:

Uebersee Sued: The Ultimate Truth about Nazis Fled to South America

After WW II, at least five German U-boats reached Argentina with no less than 50 high ranked Third Reich officials on board. During the trip they sunk a US battle ship and the Brazilian cruiser Bahia with a death toll of more than 400, including US citizens. Both the US and the British Government have systematically covered up the operation. Why? Did they take Hitler to Patagonia?

Supporting their research with irrefutable first hand documentation, two Argentine investigators, Carlos De Napoli and Juan Salinas, made an extraordinary contribution to unveil what has been called the last secret of World War II. Ubersse Sьd, Overseas South in English, is the name of the operation that, according with this investigation, helped high Nazi officials to escape from the Soviet fist under the umbrella of the British Government and the US hawks.

"WWII finished on May 7th 1945 and the first submarine arrives in Argentina on July 10. The second one, in August 17", says De Napoli. The Argentine investigator makes reference to the well-known landing of the German U-boats U-530 and U-977 that surrendered to the Argentine Navy in those days.

This is a fact, as their commanders Otto Wermuth and Heinz Schдffer, respectively, were arrested and interrogated several times in Buenos Aires, Washington and London. However, what has been systematically covered up by US and British authorities is the fact that they sunk the USS Eagle 56 battle ship in front of the US coasts and the Brazilian cruiser Bahia, amid three other vessels. So, the immediate question is why the British and the Americans (from the North and the South) harbored the assassination of more than 400 people when the war had finished two months ago?

"There was a conspiracy against the USSR. It was the Operation Sunrise (Crossword for the British) designed to stop the advance of Stalin troops over Europe. Therefore, the English needed to count with German officers and soldiers to continue the war against Russia and destroy communism. Ubersse Sьd is part of this large operation", explains Juan Salinas, former investigator of the bomb attack to a Jewish club in Buenos Aires in 1995.

Unfortunately is impossible to check this information with official sources as documents related to Operation Sunrise have been classified by both the US and British authorities: Top Secret. It means that they are kept out from the insidious sight of investigators for 75 years. Another detail: they are the only ones that remain classified about World War II.

"Churchill was the mastermind of the escape. The Argentine Navy established a free zone to let Germans to disembark without disturbs, following British instructions", told Salinas to PRAVDA.Ru. In fact, exists an order issued by Argentine authorities to stop attacks to German submarines operating close to the Argentine beaches. The cautious reader may point out why other forces attacked the German U-boats if the British Government was behind the operation. De Napoli answers: "Churchill successors (Tories lost the elections immediately after the war and the Labor Party came into power), did not want the operation to go on."

However, as facts show, the operation went ahead and no less than 50 Third Reich high officials found cover in the desolated lands of Southern regions of Argentina and Chile. It is important to notice that the Patagonia holds the largest German community of Latin America and many Nazi and Ustasha's criminals lived there after the war: Menguele, Eichmann, Martin Bornmann -NSDAP General Secretary-, Ante Pavelic and Erick Priebke among others.

According with documentation supplied by the Argentine, Brazilian and US navies, the Norwegian and Danish Embassies in Buenos Aires and the United States National Archives and Record Administration -NARA-, Salinas and De Napoli could recreate the trip of the U-boats. Juicy data has been also provided by the memories of Hanz Schaeffer, Commander of the U-977.

A fleet of almost 20 submarines sailed out from the Norwegian port of Bergen, between May 1st and the capitulation of the Third Reich, six days later. They joined another group of U-boats coming from the US coasts (the U-530 and others) in Cape Verde, an Atlantic archipelago close to Africa. There, they got noticed that the Flensburg Government, headed by Great Admiral Dцnitz after Hitler dismissal, and kept alive by the Western Allies until May 23rd 1945, had fallen.

Consequently, German commanders, whom expected a new turn on international politics based in the outbreak of a conflict between the Soviet Union and the Anglo-Saxons, became aware that they would have to go on by their own. Some Kriegmarine Officers decide to sink their U-boots, surrender to the enemy or come back to Europe. However, at least six U-boats, including the U-530 and the U-977, headed South to Argentina carrying on "heavy" passengers and gold.

"Then, the tragedy came", points out Salinas. "Disguised as fishing vessels, the German submarines sail on the sea. Shortly after crossing the Equator Line, they come across with the operation to guide US planes to Japan. The route Natal - Dakar." The Brazilian cruiser Bahia, was taking part of the operation when, according with the results of the investigations, was shot by two acoustic torpedoes fired by the U-977. The toll: 336 crewmembers died in what is, by far, the largest-ever catastrophe of the Brazilian Navy.

William Joseph Eustace, Andrew Jackson Pendleton, Emmet Peper Salles and Frank Benjamin Sparks, were the four US radio operators of the Bahia. They died after the shooting, but the US Government reported them as "disappeared". Obviously, this is the main reason why the German Government did not cooperate on Salinas and De Napoli's investigation. The Brazilians said that the sunk of the Bahia was a fatal accident; exactly the same speech of the US Navy on the shooting of the USS Eagle 56... until last year. Then, the U-977, the U-530 and others went down to Argentina and the first two surrendered to the local authorities.

Was Adolf Hitler a passenger on one of these U-boats? De Napoli answers: "We think that Hitler, Eva Braun, Grettel Braun and Martin Bornmann escaped thanks to this operation. However, we cannot assure whether Hitler landed in Argentina or not." Martin Bornmann died in Paraguay. Perhaps, Stalin's suspects become true someday: "Hitler fled either to Spain or to Argentina", he told to the that-time US Secretary of State, James Byrne. But this is subject to further investigations.

Hernan Etchaleco
PRAVDA.Ru
Argentina

This article is based on the book "Ultramar Sur. La Ultima operaciуn secreta del Tercer Reich", published by Grupo Editorial Norma, and conversations with Juan Salinas and Carlos De Napoli co-writers of the book.
Source: Uebersee Sued: The Ultimate Truth about Nazis Fled to South America (http://english.pravda.ru/world/2003/02/27/43768.html)

[PDF]

Oh, indeed I misunderstood, and sadly the "create your own fantasy campaign" theme doesn't interest me... :OHNO:

[Double Deuce]

The Nazi storyline is not a definite yet. I am open to input BUT in order to allow newer designers the freedom to be creative without having to spend a lot of time on researching historical facts and then having their data constantly questioned I prefer as non-hostorical script as possible.

[Double Deuce]

Just an FYI, I have at least 5 campaigns (WW2 to Modern) in various stages of completion that I am considering adding to the design subforum once it goes active for anyone wanting to jump in and help work on some of these, with design work credit of course.

These could be used for the campaign side of any future design clinic.

[Col.Phil1]

Any idea ofwhen the user camp design might git started?

[Col.Phil1]

I mean open source.

[Thatguy]

Just an FYI, I have at least 5 campaigns (WW2 to Modern) in various stages of completion that I am considering adding to the design subforum once it goes active for anyone wanting to jump in and help work on some of these, with design work credit of course.

These could be used for the campaign side of any future design clinic.
What are the subjects?

[Double Deuce]

What are the subjects?Right now I have;

Warsaw Pact Recon Unit (Polish) in Denmark - 1985 (WinSPMBT)
Rumanian Tank unit in Bessarabia (1941) (WinSPWW2)
Japan Special Forces in Hawaii (1941) (WinSPWW2)
Manchuko Cavalry in Mongolia (1939) (WinSPWW2)
US Armor in Normandy Breakout (1944) (WinSPWW2)