OP Turn 1 Movement Orders Planning

[Double Deuce]

OK gents, you need to begin considering movement orders for Operational Turn 1.

Since this is the 1st turn we'll do it piece by piece in baby steps to make sure ALL units are accounted for and your questions are answered before orders become final.

More requests from me to follow shortly. :smoke:

[Stonefire]

Just to let you know.

I will be changing the motherboard in my PC this weekend.

I have never tried that before so if I get out of tuch you know why ;-))

Regards

Stonefire

[Double Deuce]

NOTE: You do not have to wait until ALL are thought out or done. You can post just those units whose orders are confirmed for the turn. This should make it easier to see who needs orders and who might be missing.

[jadpanther]

I need to find the file of the map so I can print it out since I cannot get the cocat system functioning.

Jad

[Double Deuce]

You can get it from HERE (http://www.xtreme-gamer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=507986#post507986).

[jadpanther]

Ok I have the map where is my at start position. I will move from there. Is there a listing for all our troops start positions?

Question for the team....

Who is leading us?

Where are all our units located?

Who is in command of our recon forces?

Did we ever get around to combining our helo's and arty into the large attack units that talked about?

Who will command that unit if we do?

[Double Deuce]

Ok I have the map where is my at start position. I will move from there. Is there a listing for all our troops start positions? Here are the start locations by HEX --> http://www.xtreme-gamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37563

[jadpanther]

DD

OK that helps alot.........

Jad

[Double Deuce]

OK that helps alot.........Just an FYI.

All units are deployed, I just need the movement orders for them for the 1st OP Turn. ;)

[jadpanther]

Ok i have what I think are most of my units orders ready to go. Where is the discussion from the other commanders and what they want to do with their forces........need to hear from the commanders of the following:

11th MN Tank unit
9th TR/2nd MR
7th MRR/2nd MR
Hungarian 9th TK/9th MRR

I wish to cordinate my movements or at least have a parley for an overall strategy session.

I have been studying our setup and we are set up to push straight forward. THis will suffice until we encouter the enemy. Any ideas on who will be kept back as reserve who will push forward. In my opion I think the 7th MRR is our strongest defensive formation we should try to position them against the americans if we can. I think we should look for the canadians and try to isolate and destroy them first, then the Germans if we can. I'm sure they will be looking to do somthing similar to us(looking for our own weaker units to hit).......unless they figure on us to be very aggresive and let our break our own necks. Well I am looking forward to hear what anyone else thinks?

Jad

[Artur]

Jad,

As an input for the initial deployment:

The BTR regiment and the Tank regiment are the so called reserves. If the main line holds, with the BMP regiment in the cener, than you can commit these two regiments to a counter attack elsewhere. If they break through you can counter-attack their spearhead. The BMP regiment was deployed in the center for a reason. If NATO finds the weaker Hungarians on the right flank or the GDR on the left they will most likely go for a breakthrough there. Then you can slam the attacking force with your 2 reserve regiments.

I anticipate they will go to eliminate the Hungarians simply because they are in open terrain, they are in the flank and the GDR regiment is in the forest, whuch less good for NATO nit to mention the reinforced BMP regiment with all the SP-ATGMs. Just examine the strategy discussions forum and you can go from there.

Good luck Comrades!

Artur.

[jadpanther]

Arthur,

Ok I understand your logic now in how you deployed us. That's a well thought out plan. Where are these strategy discussions you mentioned? I must of missed the link. Arthur I hope you are feeling better. I Have not sceen much input from others.

Jad

[Artur]

Jad

Try this subforum with the name "WP Operational Planning"
http://www.xtreme-gamer.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=227

Read through all the threads especiealle the folowing:
Initial deployment,
Initial recon deployment,
Comparation of WP and NATO forces
Operational recon concept.
Operational ADA concept.

then you can adapt these ideas to your liking.

I also note that WP got another SP-SAM battery and it has not been deployed yet.

Good luck!

Artur.

[Pannonicus]

Hi Jad,

I am still here, although IRL I am very busy now. I dont think I can contribute much. The initial phase of this campaign has been dragging on so long, I did not plan it like that.

My other problem is that COCAT is not working on my laptop - so I have a problem running the op. part of the game.

Regarding deployment, I either do it next week - or, if Azog want to take over the running of the Division, I am happy to let him do, then I remain a simple tactical backup for him.

My plan at this point would be quite easy. Move ahead to the best defensible hex, then wait for the NATO onslaught. Then delay and retreat, and wait for the Soviet forces to avange you...

Sorry, I planned a more active role, but life is moving on...

[jadpanther]

Hey Pannonicus,

I also cannot get cocat to work. So I had an oversized map printed up and I made up company sized units so I can move them around on the map. I am an old school wargammer so it was the only way I could figure to keep up with things on an operational level. I hope you stay with the campaign you are a valuable asset.

We need to play again sometime.

Jad

[Vesku]

Sorry but I've been swamped and I missed the deadline. What is wrong with Arturs plan for OP1? I can see that he has planned very good positions for all our troops (can be seen from WP_start_goals_01.uni file for cocat). Basically it means that our first move should take our frontline units to a hexrow 7 with reserves just behind.

Vesku

[Artur]

Sorry but I've been swamped and I missed the deadline. What is wrong with Arturs plan for OP1? I can see that he has planned very good positions for all our troops (can be seen from WP_start_goals_01.uni file for cocat). Basically it means that our first move should take our frontline units to a hexrow 7 with reserves just behind.

Vesku

Yep, that is what I was aiming for the start. But you have tyo make several alternatives what comes in the next phase of the campaign.

Jad, if you are willing to take over you should revise the plans and make one that fits your imagination and concept.

Artur.

[jadpanther]

Gentlemen,

There is nothing wrong with Arthurs plan!! The problem was that I missed the operational plan string, and I didn't see any activity so I was just asking what was going on.......my bad........I will keep my mouth shut from now on and just soildier on. Also I will pay more attentioon to the Operational plannig string. Arthur did a great job planning everything down to the last details (I know this now after reading the string). I'm ready for new orders when they come down the pipe.

Jad

[Artur]

Gentlemen,

There is nothing wrong with Arthurs plan!! The problem was that I missed the operational plan string, and I didn't see any activity so I was just asking what was going on.......my bad........I will keep my mouth shut from now on and just soildier on. Also I will pay more attentioon to the Operational plannig string. Arthur did a great job planning everything down to the last details (I know this now after reading the string). I'm ready for new orders when they come down the pipe.

Jad

Courage Jad Courage!

You are the only one who took the initiative. You have to develop these plans further on!

Artur.

[Double Deuce]

There is nothing wrong with Arthurs plan!! The problem was that I missed the operational plan string, and I didn't see any activity so I was just asking what was going on.......my bad........I will keep my mouth shut from now on and just soildier on. Also I will pay more attentioon to the Operational plannig string. Arthur did a great job planning everything down to the last details (I know this now after reading the string). I'm ready for new orders when they come down the pipe.Hey Jad, don't get discouraged, you are doing great!

I will bet $$ most here just wanna play the tactical parts with a little but of the operational stuff thrown in. Take the ball and run with it. You take care of the unit moves and if the others don't chime in I would take that as a sign they are "abstaining" from some of the operational parts.

Thye will speak up when thye get to the "exciting" parts and AAR's I am sure. :D

[Stonefire]

Hi

Just to let you know.

I'm back again with new Motherboard and CPU.

Regards

Stonefire

[Vesku]

Gentlemen,

There is nothing wrong with Arthurs plan!! The problem was that I missed the operational plan string, and I didn't see any activity so I was just asking what was going on.......my bad........I will keep my mouth shut from now on and just soildier on. Also I will pay more attentioon to the Operational plannig string. Arthur did a great job planning everything down to the last details (I know this now after reading the string). I'm ready for new orders when they come down the pipe.

Jad

I sounded a bit critical, sorry about that. I meant that Arturs plan is good, why can't we use it. Saves plenty of work IMO. I'm still too busy to actively participate in planning so it would be great if Jad could take up the command. It doesn't matter if you don't have experience of the stuff or you think you can't do it, the most important thing is that we need someone to kick our butt and herd us forward. And who cares about winner, we are here for the thrill.

Vesku

[Double Deuce]

How close are we to having these done? We need to move on.

[jadpanther]

I had a hard drive crash.........I will work on the 6th MRR and get the orders to you by thursday, sorry for the delay.

Jad

Where do you want the orders posted or sent to? I had them done before the crash and did not see any posted orders so I did not know where to put them. I don't want to loose them again.

Thanks

[Double Deuce]

Where do you want the orders posted or sent to? I had them done before the crash and did not see any posted orders so I did not know where to put them. I don't want to loose them again.You can post them here in this thread. They do not all need to be in one post or in any certain order. Post what you have as you go so you can do it in phases if needed.

I will take that information and transfer it to the "Official Orders" thread for final checking and approval by you. That then becomes my record for implementing the moves on the COCAT map so I can resolve engagment determination, etc.

[Vesku]

Here is 7th MRR's movement orders for OP1. I've sent them to DD but they are still open for changes until posted on official forum. Units will end where Artur planned them in his draft. I hope we are still keeping that plan, otherwise I've just lost several hours doing them.

Vesku


HEX EE3 -> Moving at flanking speed to EE7

1 MechCo/1 Bn/7th MRR/2nd MR Div
x10 Mech Section
x10 BMP-2
x1 SA-7 SAM

4 MechHvyWpnCo/1 Bn/7th MRR/2nd MR Div
x1 Mech Section
x9 BMP-2
x1 2-120mm Mortars
x3 SA-7 SAM
x2 UAZ-66
x6 7.62mm PKMS MMG
x6 30mm AGS-17 GL
x3 UAZ Jeep

1 ATM Bty/5 Bn/7th MRR/2nd MR Div
x1 BRDM-2
x1 SA-7 SAM
x9 BRDM-2 Spandrel

Orders:

1/1 One platoon leads 500m ahead of the formation, this platoon is trying to disarm
enemy traps and to keep them in contact while other platoons sweeps in from left
and right.

5/1 Formation advances in triangel, tip pointing south, 500m behind 1/1.

1/4 Moves 500m behind 5/1. Deploy in sparse formation if leading formations contact
enemy.




HEX FF3 -> Moving at flanking speed to FF7

2 MechCo/1 Bn/7th MRR/2nd MR Div
x10 Mech Section
x10 BMP-2
x1 SA-7 SAM

3 MechCo/1 Bn/7th MRR/2nd MR Div
x10 Mech Section
x10 BMP-2
x1 SA-7 SAM

1 Tank Co/4 Bn/7th MRR/2nd MR Div
x10 T-64B

Orders:

1/2 One platoon leads 500m ahead of the formation, this platoon is trying to disarm
enemy traps and to keep them in contact while other platoons sweeps in from left
and right.

1/3 One platoon leads 500m ahead of the formation, this platoon is trying to disarm
enemy traps and to keep them in contact while other platoons sweeps in from left
and right.

4/1 Move 500m behind mechinfantry acting as their reinforcement.








HEX GG3 -> Moving at flanking speed to GG7

7th MRR HQ
x1 7th MRR HQ
x2 MT-LB 1V23

1 MechCo/2 Bn/7th MRR/2nd MR Div
x10 Mech Section
x10 BMP-2
x1 SA-7 SAM

4 MechHvyWpnCo/2 Bn/7th MRR/2nd MR Div
x1 Mech Section
x9 BMP-2
x1 2-120mm Mortars
x3 SA-7 SAM
x2 UAZ-66
x6 7.62mm PKMS MMG
x6 30mm AGS-17 GL
x3 UAZ Jeep

2 ATM Bty/5 Bn/7th MRR/2nd MR Div
x1 BRDM-2
x1 SA-7 SAM
x9 BRDM-2 Spandrel

Orders:

HQ Move 200m behind 2/4.

2/1 One platoon leads 500m ahead of the formation, this platoon is trying to disarm
enemy traps and to keep them in contact while other platoons sweeps in from left
and right.

2/4 Move 500m behind 5/2. Deploy in sparse formation if leading formations contact
enemy.

5/2 Move 500m behind 2/1. Move to contact only if enemy armour is present.







HEX HH3 -> Moving at flanking speed to HH7

2 MechCo/2 Bn/7th MRR/2nd MR Div
x10 Mech Section
x10 BMP-2
x1 SA-7 SAM

3 MechCo/2 Bn/7th MRR/2nd MR Div
x10 Mech Section
x10 BMP-2
x1 SA-7 SAM

2 Tank Co/4 Bn/7th MRR/2nd MR Div
x10 T-64B

Orders:

2/2 One platoon leads 500m ahead of the formation, this platoon is trying to disarm
enemy traps and to keep them in contact while other platoons sweeps in from left
and right.

2/3 One platoon leads 500m ahead of the formation, this platoon is trying to disarm
enemy traps and to keep them in contact while other platoons sweeps in from left
and right.

4/2 Move 500m behind mechinfantry acting as their reinforcement.







HEX II3 -> Moving at flanking speed to II8

4 Cav/5 Bn/7th MRR/2nd MR Div
x9 Scout Team
x12 BRDM-2
x3 SA-7 SAM

Orders:

5/4 Scouting ahead using the paved road.





HEX II3 -> Moving at flanking speed to II7

1 MechCo/3 Bn/7th MRR/2nd MR Div
x10 Mech Section
x10 BMP-2
x1 SA-7 SAM

4 MechHvyWpnCo/3 Bn/7th MRR/2nd MR Div
x1 Mech Section
x9 BMP-2
x1 2-120mm Mortars
x3 SA-7 SAM
x2 UAZ-66
x6 7.62mm PKMS MMG
x6 30mm AGS-17 GL
x3 UAZ Jeep

3 Tank Co/4 Bn/7th MRR/2nd MR Div
x10 T-64B

3 ATM Bty/5 Bn/7th MRR/2nd MR Div
x1 BRDM-2
x1 SA-7 SAM
x9 BRDM-2 Spandrel

Orders:

3/1 Move along paved road 2,5 km behind 5/1, ready to answer a call for help from
scouts. One platoon 500m ahead of the main formation.

3/4 Move 250m behind 5/3 along paved road. Deploy in sparse formation if leading
formations contact enemy.

4/3 Move 250m behind 3/4 along paved road. Acts as reinforcement if enemy is
contacted.

5/3 Move 250m behind 3/1 along paved road.







HEX JJ3 -> Moving at flanking speed to JJ7

2 MechCo/3 Bn/7th MRR/2nd MR Div
x10 Mech Section
x10 BMP-2
x1 SA-7 SAM

3 MechCo/3 Bn/7th MRR/2nd MR Div
x10 Mech Section
x10 BMP-2
x1 SA-7 SAM

4 Tank Co/4 Bn/7th MRR/2nd MR Div
x10 T-64B

Orders:

3/2 One platoon leads 500m ahead of the formation, this platoon is trying to disarm
enemy traps and to keep them in contact while other platoons sweeps in from left
and right.

3/3 One platoon leads 500m ahead of the formation, this platoon is trying to disarm
enemy traps and to keep them in contact while other platoons sweeps in from left
and right.

4/4 Move 500m behind mechinfantry acting as their reinforcement.

[Vesku]

Note for DD: I had two 5/1 companies in the official uni, one was an AT company and the other scouts named as cav company. Now the cav company is 5/4, as you can see in the order, a lone mover to II8, brave lads. I can send you 7th's OOB in excelformat if you need it.

Vesku

[Double Deuce]

Note for DD:Thanks. This will help Jad in his overall planning and help us get stuff posted.

Once I get everyting posted and color coded, etc I will have Jad (and you all) doublecheck for accuracy before the orders become final.

[Double Deuce]

Here is 7th MRR's movement orders for OP1. I have updated the official Turn 1 Orders thread. Once all the other information is available I'll add that as well.