UK Bonus Units

[Chuck?]

Does the Axis get any bonus units for the fall of the UK?

[Mark Stevens]

Not intentionally! Have you seen some?

[Chuck?]

No. However shouldn't there be some coastal artillery or some ships and tanks dumped into the replacement pool?

[SkyVon]

In a few h2h games I've done where England was taken, I never saw any coastal units appear. In fact, it seemed that taking England before taking Russia made life much harder on the Axis as he has to garrison England with real units. Not sure what will happen once the US enters en masse.

[Chuck?]

It shouldn't take too many units to garrision. There are only two Allied supply points on the island.

[Dan Neely]

I have to agree with chuck that the axis should get something for taking out England, coastal arty at a minimum, maybe a naval unit, but I'd think that the brits would destroy everything they had underconstruction rather than let it fall into German hands. Adding slots for captured british equiptment and then disbanding a pile of it like you did with the french would be the most elegant solution, but if an additional event can't be found, simply adding a corp made of captured Brit equiptment, and with slots for latewar German hardware to keep it viable later on would be a decent compromise. If doing a supply change would require one more event than is available, I'd suggest using it for this instead.

As for where to put all of these, there's plenty of room in the Hungarian/Romainian/Finnish AF/garison formations.

[Chuck?]

I agree the Brits would try to destroy everything that was under construction once they lost. However this would be at the very last minute since they weren't too keen on surrendering. Most likely some British war material would of fallen in German hands before it could be destroyed.

[Dan Neely]

I'm sure that a fair ammount of lighter equiptment would be captured, but I'm not as sure about heavy things like naval warships. I'd expect the RN to flee to Canada/US to continue the fight like the various allied minors fleets did, so I doubt that any completed ships would be taken. As for ones under construction in shipyards, I imagine that the RN would've taken measures against thier being captured as soon as the 1st invaders reached the shore, packing enough HE into the hulls to reduce them to scrap most likely. IF the destruct charges weren't detonated when the yards were about to be overran, or when the armistice was signed, I'd be amazed.

[Chuck?]

Probably most naval ships would either sail west to the US/Canada or be sunk before capture. However I think a few destroyers or cruisers could still end up in German hands. As for tanks, artillery, ect it would be hard to destroy all this equipment in each factory, armory, or warehouse before being taken by the Germans.

[Mark Stevens]

This is partly related to my reply on blue and green British units. There were plans for the Royal Family and government to go abroad, and extensive 'stay behind' guerilla units, with hidden arms dumps, radio networks, &ect. I'm sure that some hardware would have fallen into German hands if the whole UK were overrun, but hopefully they wouldn't have got much use out of it.
There weren't extensive dumps of munitions to be captured, as we'd lost a lot of heavy equipment at Dunkirk (I haven't read that the Germans used it to any extent). If every soldier chucked the firing pin of his rifle, distributor from his lorry and breech block from his artillery piece into the nearest pond before surrendering...

France collapsed quickly, the army lost its cohesion, and the country was relatively quiet until 1944. Being British myself, I'm working on the belief that occupying the UK would have been a drain on German resources, not an asset, except for the obvious strategic value of installations like ports, although even they should have been demolished. I'm also sure that any forced labourers would have been inefficient, factories would have been sabotaged, coal mines allowed to flood...

Although we lost several hundred thousand prisoners at various stages in the war, neither the Germans nor the Japanese were able to form British volunteer units: whereas thousands of French, Dutch, Belgians, and Scandinavians fought for the Axis as volunteers, let alone the Vichy French and their other minor allies.

No point being involved in the design of a game if you can't incorporate your own patriotic prejudices!