Recon Force Discussion

[dita]

Propose the following force composition for the Canadian Recon force. Obviously, open to suggestion and recommendations.

The force will formed from the 1er Bn Roy 22e/4th Mech Brigade. Each reinforced Company will consist of the following

Recon Force One: 1 Co/1er Bn Roy 22e/4th Mech Bde. With attached x4 M150, x2 M125A1, x5 Leopard C1 A3 from RC Dragoons (1st Sqdn) x3 scouts from RC Dragoons, x2 Couger and x3 Lynx all from RC Dragoons

Recon Force Two: 2 Co/1er Bn Roy 22e/4th Mech Bde. With attached x4 M150, x2 M125A1, x5 Leopard C1 A3 from RC Dragoons(1st Sqdn), x3 scouts from RC Dragoons, x2 Couger and x3 Lynx all from RC Dragoons

Recon Force Three: 3 Co/1er Bn Roy 22e/4th Mech Bde. With attached x4 M150, x2 M125A1, x5 Leopard C1 A3 from RC Dragoons(1st Sqdn), x3 scouts from RC Dragoons and x3 Lynx all from RC Dragoons

Hope I`ve got the right idea. Not sure If this is too "tank light" Though I suspect a fighting withdrawal/delaying action during the first contacts, though I`m not sure if this fits the overall NATO strategy?

One question, can I/should I attach artillery assets to each company. Or is this
"overkill"?

Suggestions for location of forces are hex EE8 (using Hill 456, 452, 454 for observation of processing plant an dmain approach roads, II8 (using wood and small unnamed hill to observe Aspertsham major road junction). Hex HH8 (using hill 465 and the observatory to command surrounding hexes. eg hex GG8, HH7.)

This is just one suggestion, assuming the recon force is concentrated with the NATO objectives in mind. It depends what the overall NATO strategy is... Is a dispersed nato recon groups across the whole sector deploy line called for?

Thanks for any advice.

[Waape]

I would not send artillery with them. They are slow to react, and easy to lose. I would rather send APCs with infantry (scouts), and a few tanks for harder targets.

[Shortreengage]

Propose the following force composition for the Canadian Recon force. Obviously, open to suggestion and recommendations.

The force will formed from the 1er Bn Roy 22e/4th Mech Brigade. Each reinforced Company will consist of the following

Recon Force One: 1 Co/1er Bn Roy 22e/4th Mech Bde. With attached x4 M150, x2 M125A1, x5 Leopard C1 A3 from RC Dragoons (1st Sqdn) x3 scouts from RC Dragoons, x2 Couger and x3 Lynx all from RC Dragoons

Recon Force Two: 2 Co/1er Bn Roy 22e/4th Mech Bde. With attached x4 M150, x2 M125A1, x5 Leopard C1 A3 from RC Dragoons(1st Sqdn), x3 scouts from RC Dragoons, x2 Couger and x3 Lynx all from RC Dragoons

Recon Force Three: 3 Co/1er Bn Roy 22e/4th Mech Bde. With attached x4 M150, x2 M125A1, x5 Leopard C1 A3 from RC Dragoons(1st Sqdn), x3 scouts from RC Dragoons and x3 Lynx all from RC Dragoons
Hope I`ve got the right idea. Not sure If this is too "tank light" Though I suspect a fighting withdrawal/delaying action during the first contacts, though I`m not sure if this fits the overall NATO strategy?

One question, can I/should I attach artillery assets to each company. Or is this
"overkill"?

Suggestions for location of forces are hex EE8 (using Hill 456, 452, 454 for observation of processing plant an dmain approach roads, II8 (using wood and small unnamed hill to observe Aspertsham major road junction). Hex HH8 (using hill 465 and the observatory to command surrounding hexes. eg hex GG8, HH7.)

This is just one suggestion, assuming the recon force is concentrated with the NATO objectives in mind. It depends what the overall NATO strategy is... Is a dispersed nato recon groups across the whole sector deploy line called for?

Thanks for any advice.


This looks good.

You should be able to cover 4-6KM with each group. that gives us 12-18KM.

You will have your arty deployed just behind the other 2 battalions to support you.


Remember you are to recon the enemy and destroy the enemy's recon units. Do not become decisively engaged. If neccessary delay and attrit.

I will be off the net until 4Jan.

Merry Christmas.

[Pepper]

If possible and not already taken, I'd love to game out the initial contacts with these recon troops, once we have contact that is. (i.e. If you need someone to play the tactical WinSPMBT battles, I'm up for it).

Playing recon style is my forte! (Its hard to lose in this game if you don't have to assault.)


:smoke:

[Double Deuce]

DRAFT Recon Force posted (HERE (http://www.strategyzoneonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=456874#post456874)). All I need are the actual starting hex locations.

[dita]

Suggestions for location of forces are hex EE8 (using Hill 456, 452, 454 for observation of processing plant an dmain approach roads, II8 (using wood and small unnamed hill to observe Aspertsham major road junction). Hex HH8 (using hill 465 and the observatory to command surrounding hexes. eg hex GG8, HH7.)

This is just one suggestion, assuming the recon force is concentrated with the NATO objectives in mind. It depends what the overall NATO strategy is... Is a dispersed nato recon groups across the whole sector deploy line called for?



Anyone with any further input on the location for the recon force(s)? The forces need to be deploying in accordance with the overall NATO strategy.

[Vas FURY]

I think the locations Dita proposed are reasonable and allow for us to cover a number of different approaches which may be taken by the enemy. Theyre far enough away to allow maneuvering towards any possible contact, and close enough to get to them in time if they get caught in an engagement. So, Dita, i think those placements are cool.

[dita]

Further to Peppers note in this thread--

http://www.strategyzoneonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37933

I too would like to open the debate on helos within the recon force. It would greatly enhance the effectiveness of the recon forces, and like pepper said, ROE could be utilized, as long as they are not limited too much.

The overall strategy of the Recon forces needs to be discussed/guidance given.

Is it to be a watch and observe, avoiding all contact? or engage recon forces only and not decisively become engaged, as previously mentioned?

Helos, would add the the punch available to the recon group as an attacking force.

[Walther]

Further to Peppers note in this thread--

http://www.strategyzoneonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37933

I too would like to open the debate on helos within the recon force. It would greatly enhance the effectiveness of the recon forces, and like pepper said, ROE could be utilized, as long as they are not limited too much.

The overall strategy of the Recon forces needs to be discussed/guidance given.

Is it to be a watch and observe, avoiding all contact? or engage recon forces only and not decisively become engaged, as previously mentioned?

Helos, would add the the punch available to the recon group as an attacking force.

Recon forces should not be decisively engaged...That said, it is important to keep in "contact" and at the same time make considerable effort towards counter-recon. The helos can be used to confuse the enemy by conducting false insertions while at the same time conducting primary counter recon strikes.

[Pepper]

I've moved my original note to here, which seems a better spot:

I would request of HQ that we consider cross-attaching a helo or 2 to the Recon forces.

The helo(s) could have strict ROE, perhaps prohibiting the advancement more than 5 hexes towards opfor from start line, and perhaps a strict rule that if it takes any AA fire (SAM or otherwise), to immediately disengage by returning to mapedge (and therefore removed).

I would think having eyes in the sky would make the recon task far more effective and efficient, especially since the recon forces are quite weak and will be likely engaged in a shoot & scoot regardless.

My concern otherwise is that the forces will be so spread out over the map to try and get eyes on opfor that they will be wholly ineffective. With advance warning from overhead, we could at least mobilze for ambush positions and maybe get a kill or two before running like hell.

I believe helos are standard for Western recon as well, right?

Thoughts?

[Shortreengage]

I've moved my original note to here, which seems a better spot:

I would request of HQ that we consider cross-attaching a helo or 2 to the Recon forces.

The helo(s) could have strict ROE, perhaps prohibiting the advancement more than 5 hexes towards opfor from start line, and perhaps a strict rule that if it takes any AA fire (SAM or otherwise), to immediately disengage by returning to mapedge (and therefore removed).

I would think having eyes in the sky would make the recon task far more effective and efficient, especially since the recon forces are quite weak and will be likely engaged in a shoot & scoot regardless.

My concern otherwise is that the forces will be so spread out over the map to try and get eyes on opfor that they will be wholly ineffective. With advance warning from overhead, we could at least mobilze for ambush positions and maybe get a kill or two before running like hell.

I believe helos are standard for Western recon as well, right?

Thoughts?
I'm mulling it over a bit. Of course it would be very useful but the loss of any aviation would be detrimental to some operations I've got cooking. If you're familiar with US Doctrine.......I think you'll figure out what's cookin.