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Patrocles
02 Dec 05, 17:08
whilst cruising the internet looking for Operation Flashpoint sites I came across this press release from Bohemia interactive with some info on the upcoming Armed Assault game!

you can find the press release here:
http://www.bistudio.com/presspages/ArmA_Progress_Update.html

I like the multiplayer options!
Multiplayer

* Large, persistent battles.

* 60+ player multiplayer (plus additional AI), players can join at any time.

* Unique game modes introducing modes of play not seen in any other game.

* Cooperative game modes.

vyshka
02 Dec 05, 17:25
Hopefully it will live up to expectations, which will be rather high after OFP. I am glad it is based on the work they were doing for the DoD.

Archamus
02 Dec 05, 18:01
Wow that looks amaaaaaaazing

Overseer
03 Dec 05, 03:30
Wow that looks amaaaaaaazing

Are we looking at the same screens? I mean, I'm not saying it looks terrible, but I won't be picking that one up for the graphics. That's all pretty dated technology - I'm not trying to sleight the game, but it's not worth getting worked up for the visuals there. Hopefully the gameplay will be worth it though.

Edit - I should say, I took it to mean you were talking about the visuals, but I suppose you don't say specifically.

Archamus
03 Dec 05, 12:17
Are we looking at the same screens? I mean, I'm not saying it looks terrible, but I won't be picking that one up for the graphics. That's all pretty dated technology - I'm not trying to sleight the game, but it's not worth getting worked up for the visuals there. Hopefully the gameplay will be worth it though.

Edit - I should say, I took it to mean you were talking about the visuals, but I suppose you don't say specifically.

I meant that gameplay wise it looks amazing and that is still good looking for that draw distance - I think - also I don't think the graphics look THAT bad, better than the cartoony feel of some games out there.

Overseer
03 Dec 05, 17:17
Hmmm, those graphics look decent to me. Bear in mind that Doom III and Half Life 2 only have to simulate very small levels, thus they can sport lots of detail within a very small area. It isn't possible to have maps the size of Operation Flashpoint with graphics like Doom III--at least, I haven't seen anything like that yet. Far Cry would be the closest thing I can think of.

One other thing. Most games with really cutting edge graphics don't have 50-200 units running around the map simultaneously, working in groups.


I didn't say I was looking for HL2/Doom III graphics, and I don't particularly have an issue with the graphics (although I'm not entirely sure they're even at the level of BF42). I was just bringing it up because I wasn't sure what he was saying looked amazing (the phrase "looks amazing" made me immediately think of the visuals instead of gameplay features).

MountainMan
05 Dec 05, 02:27
Looks decent enough to be worth a try!

jthomas
05 Dec 05, 12:35
I sort of expected Armed Assault to equal "VBS1 Lite"

VBS1 is still the jewel in BIS's crown IMO.
After perusing their website, I'd have to unconditionally agree with you!
But at 150 clams for the core system, 199 for the Arty mod, etc., it's waaaaaaay to rich for me (gotta buy diapers, you know). Casting pearls before swine, if you will.
But it is definitely beautiful.
I will wait on Armed Assault and content myself with that. At least until an unknown uncle croaks and leaves me his millions.......

Funny thing, any teenager in the States can buy Grand Theft Auto, and kill and gang rape, but VBS1 has to be on restricted distribution? What's with that?

CPangracs
05 Dec 05, 13:02
...Funny thing, any teenager in the States can buy Grand Theft Auto, and kill and gang rape, but VBS1 has to be on restricted distribution? What's with that?

Certain things are modeled to a degree that renders some of the stuff "classified", for lack of a better term.

That's all I can say right now, otherwise we'd have to summarily destroy every computer attached to this forum! ;)

Overseer
05 Dec 05, 14:38
Funny thing, any teenager in the States can buy Grand Theft Auto, and kill and gang rape, but VBS1 has to be on restricted distribution? What's with that?

Funny thing, I've played all the GTA's to some extent and not once did I ever see gang rape... Heck GTA:San Andreas is vehemently anti-drug...

Archamus
05 Dec 05, 16:56
Funny thing, I've played all the GTA's to some extent and not once did I ever see gang rape... Heck GTA:San Andreas is vehemently anti-drug...

Yeah I just started up a new game and got to the mission where you hit the crack dealer on the head with a shovel then shoot up the crack den!

Patrocles
05 Dec 05, 17:39
I think that pc game graphics now are at a point to where that it doesn't much matter to me how much better they get. I would rather see someone use graphics like this and spend the rest of the time actually developing the important parts of the game than trying to accurately display every blade of grass on a hill.

I agree! I'm new to the OFP system (~1 week now :laugh: ), but from what little i know I expect any successor to OFP to concentrate on gameplay and realism over graphics.

Don Maddox
05 Dec 05, 18:27
Certain things are modeled to a degree that renders some of the stuff "classified", for lack of a better term.

That's all I can say right now, otherwise we'd have to summarily destroy every computer attached to this forum! VBS1 is available to civilians; just as long as they don't live in the US. There is an active community of VBS1 owners on the Internet. Of course, it is a lot more expensive than most games, which may tend to deter some people.

Don Maddox
05 Dec 05, 18:33
I take that back. VBS1 is now available to anyone, except for a couple of restricted access modules.

http://store.virtualbattlefieldsystem.com/viewCat_L.asp?idCategory=2

Hellfish6
06 Dec 05, 00:18
I'd wait on Armed Assault. It's supposed to have a lot of the stuff in VBS1, but a lot cheaper. If you GOTTA have VBS though, by all means go for it. :)

Patrocles
06 Dec 05, 09:43
I take that back. VBS1 is now available to anyone, except for a couple of restricted access modules.

http://store.virtualbattlefieldsystem.com/viewCat_L.asp?idCategory=2

wow! pricey! If i had a spare M-note I would definitely buy it! :)

I remember read a press release ~Sept. from a brit company doing something similar to VBS in terms of training defense personnel (FAC?) with an improved version of LOMAC. I will have to dig around and find the site link.

Archamus
07 Dec 05, 18:25
"The Core is the "base" program that includes a standard land mass (map) with widely varying geographic and cultural features, standard buildings, a rural airport, roads, two small towns, eight selectable human avatars, 15 different standard weapons, two aircraft, and three drivable vehicles. The base program includes the full mission editor, all artificial intelligence (AI) functions, and full multi-user features."

Isn't that a whole bunch of steps down from Operation Flashpoint?

Ivan Rapkinov
07 Dec 05, 19:06
"The Core is the "base" program that includes a standard land mass (map) with widely varying geographic and cultural features, standard buildings, a rural airport, roads, two small towns, eight selectable human avatars, 15 different standard weapons, two aircraft, and three drivable vehicles. The base program includes the full mission editor, all artificial intelligence (AI) functions, and full multi-user features."

Isn't that a whole bunch of steps down from Operation Flashpoint?

heheh - buy it and then say that ;)

we use it at work to model insurgent attacks on company supplied minesites - we import a satellite image which the program then models into the real life terrain. We then add buildings and so forth.

the AI is giant leaps better than OPF, and even though you have to pay extra for the modules, they add a lot of extra content. But I will be candid - you pretty much have to buy nearly ALL the addons to get the most out of the game.

I also get to use it as a member of the ADF :) - better than TacOpsANZAC for small scale stuff.

Hellfish6
07 Dec 05, 23:00
The benefit with Armed Assault is that you (might) some of the content and more gameplay enhancements that VBS, plus all the free addons, plus many thousands more people to play online. IIRC the VBS public community is only a couple hundred, most of them in Australia.

But, still... if you've got the money now and no patience to wait for ArmA, get VBS and the addons. You won't regret it (if you like OFP in the first place of course).

Nichols
01 Aug 06, 22:33
There is nothing classified in VBS.

Don Maddox
02 Aug 06, 10:03
There is nothing classified in VBS.Then why all the "security" around who can purchase and who can't?

Hellfish6
02 Aug 06, 11:55
Then why all the "security" around who can purchase and who can't?

That security is gone now. Americans can buy everything now. The security was there before, IIRC, because it was not a game and hence not offered to the public. As for individual modules not being offered I think that was because they were modified from the versions the rest of the world could get and thus incompatible for gamers anyways. The USMC pack is one that stands out - the version that was available to the public had a lot of rather glaring mistakes in it. The version that the Corps used fixed a lot of those mistakes and wasn't offered to the public.

It also had to do with distribution rights - the US distributors sold exclusively to the military for a long time and rather reluctantly opened up some stuff to the public. It's kind of hard to be taken seriously as a simulation developer when 14 year old kids are playing your software. :nuts:

Nichols
02 Aug 06, 17:07
Then why all the "security" around who can purchase and who can't?

Commercial licensing. A Company Statesided handled content management.