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[viridomaros]

i have been playing a game against nemo of your france 44 dday (invasion, breakout and pursuit) version 2.0
and there is something i can't understand:
there are 2000 vp in this scenario
i control 1637 of them at the end of the game and the victory level is only 711 in my favour
losses are 380 for my opponent and my penalty losses is 410
furthermore i have hold the harbours and v1 sites intacts until turn 30 +-
is there any event that gives a large amount of vp (like 1000) to the allied player?

edit: as we planned to play a mirrorred game i started my first turn and i notice that the score level starts at -1200 for the allied despite the fact the german control all of the 2000 victory points

[nemo]

With any luck, you'll change your signature now... :whist:

[Bob Cross]

i have been playing a game against nemo of your france 44 dday (invasion, breakout and pursuit) version 2.0
and there is something i can't understand:
there are 2000 vp in this scenario
i control 1637 of them at the end of the game and the victory level is only 711 in my favour
losses are 380 for my opponent and my penalty losses is 410
furthermore i have hold the harbours and v1 sites intacts until turn 30 +-
is there any event that gives a large amount of vp (like 1000) to the allied player?

edit: as we planned to play a mirrorred game i started my first turn and i notice that the score level starts at -1200 for the allied despite the fact the german control all of the 2000 victory points

Yes, there is an 800 VP award to the Allies on turn 1 for balancing. I suppose I should have put that in the briefing. But the briefing is full and it should be obvious from the turn 1 VP level.

[nemo]

edit: as we planned to play a mirrorred game i started my first turn and i notice that the score level starts at -1200 for the allied despite the fact the german control all of the 2000 victory pointsEvent #18 grants 800 points to the Allied side on turn 1, hence the -1200 VP level instead of -2000.

Edit: nevermind, the author beat me to the post ;)

[viridomaros]

With any luck, you'll change your signature now... :whist:

it will be done soon once i'll have recorded the game on the ladder as you guess marginal victory for me :cheeky:
90 points from the decisive but well done in the end :smoke:
expect my first allied turn this evening

[nemo]

Well done Pierre! Now you owe me a beer :D

[viridomaros]

Yes, there is an 800 VP award to the Allies on turn 1 for balancing. I suppose I should have put that in the briefing. But the briefing is full and it should be obvious from the turn 1 VP level.

thanks for the explanation yes it's obvious except if one starts to look at the score level around turn 20 or so.
something i'd like in the briefing is a house rule about the use of the paratroopers by the allied. as they have overwhelming air support it's incredibly hard for the germans to push them back even when the paras are out of supply.
my opponent subdivided and dropped them all over the rhur holland and belgium.
there is absolutely no way the german can afford to garrison half the map. a house rule like para can be drop within 2 hexes of each other or something of that kind could be ok. I would prefer to see some kind of coordinated para action.
Nemo feel free to comment about this

[viridomaros]

Well done Pierre! Now you owe me a beer :D

for that we'll have to meet again i think :love:

[nemo]

As for paradrops, dividing the units wasn't initially my option but the result of the airdrops combined with enemy action. Besides it's really a two-edged sword as divided para units are far weaker and easily overrun. Case in point, you eventually managed to reduce and nearly wipe-out all airbourne bridgeheads with the limited forces you had at hand as I failed to make the breakthrough in the north in due time - I was two turns late to come to rescue.

Scattering them from Holland to the Rhur was not a big concern in a scenario with week turns and units able to cover 20+ hexes on good ground. Once the worn-out shell of German forces containing the Allied advance was broken - or supposed to - the link-up with airbourne spearheads would have been made in no time.

If there is to be a house rule on this, I also want one for German depleted companies resisting for weeks on end combined arms assaults in divisional size :D

Anyway, it's your turn now to take the Allies; let's see how far you get...:devious:

[viridomaros]

If there is to be a house rule on this, I also want one for German depleted companies resisting for weeks on end combined arms assaults in divisional size :D



i guess you're right though i think it wasn't that hard for you to breakthrough infantry lines things were getting difficult when facing the panzer divisions.

regarding my turn i'm still testing a few things before sending first one to you.

[Bob Cross]

something i'd like in the briefing is a house rule about the use of the paratroopers by the allied. as they have overwhelming air support it's incredibly hard for the germans to push them back even when the paras are out of supply.
my opponent subdivided and dropped them all over the rhur holland and belgium.
there is absolutely no way the german can afford to garrison half the map. a house rule like para can be drop within 2 hexes of each other or something of that kind could be ok. I would prefer to see some kind of coordinated para action.
Nemo feel free to comment about this

I'd prefer to leave that up to the players. It's very hard to formulate any such rule without outlawing valid actions. And, while the paradrop does come late in the game, it's not so late that the German player doesn't have time to respond to it. Throwing the entire para corps deep out of supply should backfire. I suppose it was somewhat worse for you, though, since it sounds like you were still in possession of a lot of France. In the normal situation, there wouldn't be an unreasonable amount of the map left to cover at the time of the paradrop.

[Bob Cross]

If there is to be a house rule on this, I also want one for German depleted companies resisting for weeks on end combined arms assaults in divisional size :D

Were you using "minimize losses"?