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Jim H. Moreno
13 Oct 05, 17:27
Civilization IV (http://www.2kgames.com/civ4/home.htm) official website launch!
freightshaker
13 Oct 05, 20:34
Oh great!! There goes 14 yrs of marriage... :laugh:
Full Monty
13 Oct 05, 20:42
After the disappointment that was Civ3 I'll be hanging on to my Sterling until I've got a better idea of how good the new game actually is. In the meantime it's back to Civ2: Test of Time for me :)
I loved Civ, and loved Civ 2 Test of Time, thought Civ 3 was good, but mainly I just like how the game has evolved.
The Civ 4 site tells me all kinds of neat things. About the only thing i couldn't find, is whether my computer will play it or not.
Let's face it, can anyone pay to upgrade a computer just to play a game?
I am sure the family will chip in to play Heroes of Might and Magic 5 if the computer needs new parts. But I don't expect I will be getting any help for Civ 4 if it needs it.
The new version makes me think of the transition from Simcity 2000 to Simcity 3000. I think too much was added, and it became unplayable.
The new features sound fun. Not sure the 3d look will do any good. It didn't do any good in Panzer General 3d eh.
From what I've heard about this one... I can't wait. :D
bluermonkey
14 Oct 05, 05:26
Civ2is one of my all time favourite games, at one point it threatened to take over my life. Has any other game before or since been so addictive. Civ2 and civ3 are both great games. However, civ3 was a little bit of a souless experience for me. It just didn't 'feel' right. I still played it and enjoyed it,but it was no civ2.
Civ4 looks like an evolution of civ3, so to be honest I'm not too excited. Also, it looks like you'll need a mammoth PC to run the thing.
Well, having started my Computer "addiction" with CIV I am a real fan of the series.
Hmm, strange to hear so many people here prefer civ2 to civ3, I don't particulary liked CIV2... (though the test of time and this other "add-on" were quite good).
I didn't actually had real issues with CIV3... I somehow really liked the new features with the Culture "borders" and such... Admittedly there were sometimes some minor AI issues, but they never turned the experiance for me :P
I can't wait to lay my hands on CIV4, already did a preorder on Amazon ;)
Full Monty
14 Oct 05, 14:18
Well, having started my Computer "addiction" with CIV I am a real fan of the series.
Hmm, strange to hear so many people here prefer civ2 to civ3, I don't particulary liked CIV2... (though the test of time and this other "add-on" were quite good).
I didn't actually had real issues with CIV3... I somehow really liked the new features with the Culture "borders" and such... Admittedly there were sometimes some minor AI issues, but they never turned the experiance for me :P
I quite liked the new features of Civ3 as ideas but they just weren't implemented particularly well. The fact that you now had borders to stop opponents (whether AI or real) building cities inside your territory was good. Then there was the whole culture 'thing' which gave meaning to building wonders (apart from the bonuses of various types they gave), amongst other things. But the way that cities defected in peacetime and the difficulty of keeping the ones you captured in wartime just seemed to be so arbitary in nature. And let's not even mention espionage (whoops! already did :D ).
GameGeezer
14 Oct 05, 15:50
I cautiously bought Civ3 when it was on sale at EB and I liked it for a while, but if you let your enemies live too long they become ridiculously hard! I'm still haunted to this day by the armies of the Dutch crushing my final unit of infantry.....ghhhhh.
The graphics overhaul using the same engine as was used for the Pirates remake looks pretty nice. I wish they would update the civanon (http://www.civanon.org) site though. That video on there has to be one of the funniest things I have seen. The site, and the video on the site were what they produced for E3 earlier this year.
jayedub7423
14 Oct 05, 18:43
man, cant wait!! too many games, too little time...........
Siberian HEAT
14 Oct 05, 20:40
Civ2is one of my all time favourite games, at one point it threatened to take over my life. Has any other game before or since been so addictive. Civ2 and civ3 are both great games. However, civ3 was a little bit of a souless experience for me. It just didn't 'feel' right. I still played it and enjoyed it,but it was no civ2.
I played Civ I a lot, and Civ II I played almost to the exclusion of all other games at the time (I used to have the tech tree pinned up on my wall!). However, in one of those unexplained transitions, I didn't even play a minute of Civ III. I'm not sure why, but it just didn't appeal to me. I'll probably check out Civ IV, just to see how far the game has come.
Full Monty
14 Oct 05, 21:13
I played Civ I a lot, and Civ II I played almost to the exclusion of all other games at the time (I used to have the tech tree pinned up on my wall!). However, in one of those unexplained transitions, I didn't even play a minute of Civ III. I'm not sure why, but it just didn't appeal to me.
The one thing I do enjoy with Civ3 is part of the 'Conquests' expansion. The various extra game modes make for a lot of fun. If Firaxis could fuse the core gameplay of the Civ2 campaign with the shorter game types in Civ3 I'd die happy :laugh:
I played Civ I a lot, and Civ II I played almost to the exclusion of all other games at the time (I used to have the tech tree pinned up on my wall!). However, in one of those unexplained transitions, I didn't even play a minute of Civ III. I'm not sure why, but it just didn't appeal to me. I'll probably check out Civ IV, just to see how far the game has come.
I never played Civ II that much, but I played the hell out of Civ I, and so did a bunch of other people in the barracks at DLI on my pc. I am sure Civ I hurt a few people's grades in the Russian course, but I don't think anyone who played managed to get the boot from the program. As for all-time addictive game I might have to go for the original X-Com. There are plenty that can fit in though. Seven Cities of Gold on the C-64 took up a lot of my time.
Pirimeister
15 Oct 05, 10:08
However, in one of those unexplained transitions, I didn't even play a minute of Civ III. I'm not sure why, but it just didn't appeal to me. I'll probably check out Civ IV, just to see how far the game has come.
I was feeling guilty, thinking that I was the only one that shunned Civ3 after playing the hell out of Civ2, but now I can put my conscience to rest! :laugh:
I can't say I'm really looking forward to Civ4, just curious to see how it turns out. Now if Fireaxis only did Colonization 2, then I would be a happy, happy camper. I was even more into Colonization than into Civ and if Pirates! got its second chance, then why not Colonization?
As for all-time addictive game I might have to go for the original X-Com.
Very good point, still play that game sometimes.. it's just great.
I was feeling guilty, thinking that I was the only one that shunned Civ3 after playing the hell out of Civ2, but now I can put my conscience to rest! :laugh:
I can't say I'm really looking forward to Civ4, just curious to see how it turns out. Now if Fireaxis only did Colonization 2, then I would be a happy, happy camper. I was even more into Colonization than into Civ and if Pirates! got its second chance, then why not Colonization?
I liked Colonization as well, but I am not sure it was commercially successful as Pirates.
I played the core Civ III (but for some reason my 'puter at the time stopped running it for a long time). I thought it was very good. I had previously found a copy of Civ II and its expansions and played that for a while, but I thought Civ III was much better. I'm looking forward to Civ IV.
Now if we're talking about other Firaxis games they should make a sequel to, I'm thinking an Alpha Centauri II.
I wouldn't be opposed to either Alpha Centauri or Colonization being remade by Firaxis. I wish Sid would have continued the Railroad Tycoon series instead of it passing on to someone else. RT3 would have been good except for it being so unstable that it was impossible to play MP.
AChmielowski
16 Oct 05, 07:35
I STILL play CIV2 :laugh: after all these years and flirted with CIV 3, but it did nothing for me :mad:, so lets see what the new version has to offer !:confused:
chrisvalla
16 Oct 05, 21:54
<Checking calendar, blocking out December to March>. The Civ series is one of the few games I'm willing to pay full retail price for. The other was... well... not worth it and won't be mentioned other than in passing.
Re Alpha Centauri:
Maybe they could make it as an expansion to Civ4, and it could start after you send your spaceship off in the game. :)
Re Alpha Centauri:
Maybe they could make it as an expansion to Civ4, and it could start after you send your spaceship off in the game. :)
I actually wished for that when civ3 came out... Hmm maybe this time, though I didn't hear anything about development of Alpha Centauri 2 :P
Jim H. Moreno
22 Oct 05, 23:12
Deep, slow Homer Simpson voice:
Mmm, Alpha Centauri 2... :D
Rockhopper
23 Oct 05, 11:40
Deep, slow Homer Simpson voice:
Mmm, Alpha Centauri 2... :D
Absolutely!
On CivIII: I bought it, and its expansions, and I did like it. But there was always this tiny buzzing in the back of my brain: "This isn't CivII..." Civ and CivII literally sucked entire nights away; these are the games where the "just one more turn" syndrome began. I just never felt that with Civ3.
Dang.
I thought I was the only person in the free world that still played Civ 2 Gold Edition. I played it so much it was affecting my marrage. My wife thought we had problems. I didn't have a problem. I was fine.
Slug
Dang.
I thought I was the only person in the free world that still played Civ 2 Gold Edition. I played it so much it was affecting my marrage. My wife thought we had problems. I didn't have a problem. I was fine.
Slug
I have 4 different versions of Civ 2. The Original, the Playstation edition, Gold Edition (Multiplayer) and A Test of Time. I still play them on occassion. I played Civ 2 more than any other game I can think of. Some of the other classic PC games were slightly before my time (I am only 23) but I certainly got my moneys worth out of Civ.
I played Civ 3 a little bit but I never got into it as much as Civ 2. I had it on my laptop whenever we pumped out to Iraq and tried to play it during my downtime while we were still in Kuwait. My laptop got destroyed while we were over there and I never took the time to replace the game.
I hope they don't dumb down Civ 4 to appeal to casual gamers. The thing I loved about Civ 2 was the complexity of the game. If they make it simplier, I am afraid it would lose it's flavor.
http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchreview.asp?reviewid=630841
IGN gave it a 9.4 out of 10. And said that it's "the best Civilization to date."
Awesome, thanks for the link
And it got even better scores where it counted. 9.5 in gameplay, 10 in lasting appeal.
http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchreview.asp?reviewid=630841
IGN gave it a 9.4 out of 10. And said that it's "the best Civilization to date."
That makes me really hope that Amzon ships my game early :P
I don't know if it's true. I saw someone on another message board say that Amazon screwed something up so don't be too surprised if it's a little late. :(
I "preordered" mine on Gamestop this morning. I decided since I was going to buy it anyway, I might as well get the preorder bonuses so I got the order in before they took down the preorder package. I paid (somewhat stupidly) for the overnight shipping, but I didn't get an e-mail about it shipping out today, so I'll probably have to wait until Thursday to play.
Here is a link to a walkthrough of a Civ4 game by one of the Firaxis testers:
http://www.kalikokottage.com/civ3/sullla/civ4intro.html
He will supposedly be updating it as the game continues.
Civ4 is looking great. I think it will be the first time I am truly hooked since Civ I.
:( It is a bummer I had to come to Boston for work for the week. Bad enough that
it is pouring rain here, but my preorder copy of Civ4 will be sitting at home in sunny
Phoenix until Friday afternoon.
Hey, once everyone gets their copy, it'll be multiplayer time. The game is supposedly quite designed for multiplayer games...
If some people here recommend it, I might buy it and play with you guys....too many games coming out, I wish I could buy them all.
Crud, it looks like Gamestop caught on that I didn't technically preorder it, they haven't shipped my order yet, but they changed it from being listed as an order for Civilization IV with Bonus to just Civilization IV. I sent a request to cancel so hopefully they do and I can just run out to the store and buy it.
Crud, it looks like Gamestop caught on that I didn't technically preorder it, they haven't shipped my order yet, but they changed it from being listed as an order for Civilization IV with Bonus to just Civilization IV. I sent a request to cancel so hopefully they do and I can just run out to the store and buy it.
Haha...I noticed last night the pre-order extras...I sorta wish I would have. Looks like it is a really nice package. Oh well, hopefully it will be a really nice game.
EDIT: For those not in the know, the preorder comes with:
-Collector’s case: Navy blue bookshelf case with the Civilization IV logo.
-CD Soundtrack: Containing original compositions by Christopher Tin, Jeffrey Briggs and more.
-A keyboard layout for quick reference to keyboard commands during the game.
-Tech Tree map: A foldout poster that displays the tech tree for ease of reference. -A tech tree is a path you need to take with your scientific research in the game in order to reach certain goals. The path you take helps shape the society you create and help shapes you as a leader.
-Spiral bound manual: The manual is upgraded from the standard perfect bound to a spiral bound version, allowing it to sit flat while open.
-Disc Holder: A four-color cardboard sleeve to store the discs.
Yeah, I'm mad I didn't think to look into the preorder package until the day it was supposed to come out.
I need to start paying attention to game I plan to buy anyway, companies are really increasing the incentives for purchasing preorder packages.
W00T! Just went to Fry's, and they didn't have it when the advertisement said they would....
Raincheck for the Collector's Edition - $37.00
And I think the CE is just the preorder package.
EDIT: And it looks like Gamespot has a review up. 9.4/10 (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/civilizationiv/review.html?q=civilization%204), 10 for tilt.
"If you have even a passing interest in strategy games, world history, or getting less sleep at night, you owe it to yourself to give Civilization IV a try."
Oh boy..I can't wait! Hopefully Fry's will get it in tomarrow.
Hmm good, well hopefully Gamespot will cancel my order and I can go to various stores in the area and try to get the collector's edition.
Well I had the pleasure of test installing the game on my computer.
Sadly test installing was about the limit of my pleasure.
Not a strike on the game, just another reminder my computer is too old and too far down the tech curve.
Opener video looked cool. Game just smells good. Doesn't matter though in the end for me.
And I have already determined my needed upgrade is looking like a 500 dollar hurdle.
Not going to happen this year (or next likely).
Blows chunks not being able to play this.
liuzg150181
27 Oct 05, 04:55
Well I had the pleasure of test installing the game on my computer.
Sadly test installing was about the limit of my pleasure.
Not a strike on the game, just another reminder my computer is too old and too far down the tech curve.
Opener video looked cool. Game just smells good. Doesn't matter though in the end for me.
And I have already determined my needed upgrade is looking like a 500 dollar hurdle.
Not going to happen this year (or next likely).
Blows chunks not being able to play this.
Buy Paradox's 'Victoria' instead,basically it is a bit like Paradox's answer to 'Civilization' series,with a touch of history and domestic,diplomatic and military management~~~
People probably should wait until patch comes since it seems like that Civ 4 has lot of problems. Check here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=159) about various problems.
People probably should wait until patch comes since it seems like that Civ 4 has lot of problems. Check here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=159) about various problems.
The problems seem to revolve around ATI videos, notebooks and minimum recommendation systems. I've had no problems...YET.
From what I have heard the copy protection has been an issue for people. I am praying it works fine when I get home tomorrow.
Buy Paradox's 'Victoria' instead,basically it is a bit like Paradox's answer to 'Civilization' series,with a touch of history and domestic,diplomatic and military management~~~
You don't know me I guess :)
I'm one of the biggest Paradox haters in existence hehe.
I would rather screw a rabid moose than play their games :)
Game installed, and played "fine" for me. An 800 celeron with 256 ram and a stale 32 meg video card is simply not enough computer.
I suspect this will also be my fate with Heroes of Might and Magic 5 when it is released :(
liuzg150181
27 Oct 05, 09:28
You don't know me I guess :)
I'm one of the biggest Paradox haters in existence hehe.
I would rather screw a rabid moose than play their games :)
That really surprised me~~~ :surprise:
I used to be hardcore Civ series fans until I played Paradox games(HoI2,EU2,Victoria,Crusader Kings),and to me knowledge many of the Paradox game fans used to love Civilization series.......
Out of curiosity what aspect pissed you off,the interface?The layout?The numbers?
And which game made you hate Paradox game?
Game installed, and played "fine" for me. An 800 celeron with 256 ram and a stale 32 meg video card is simply not enough computer.
I suspect this will also be my fate with Heroes of Might and Magic 5 when it is released :(
I presume you mean Civilization IV?
Unfortunately this is the trend of PC games nowadays,good graphics that is also highly demanding...... :cry:
FWIW none of the reviews I have seen mention stability problems or anything of the sort, and usually that is something reviewers would mention if they run into it.
Yeah it was Civ IV that won't run.
Sucks big time, the brief glimpse I got looked promising.
As for hate (this is where many people groan and mutter why oh why did you have to directly ask him :) ).
HoI, because a vanilla install was about as much good as installing vanilla pudding. Both worked about as much good. And a year later, you still had a better chance with the vanilla pudding.
Not what I call a responsible product.
Explaining to me the merits of certain well known mods does not make the game less a worthless offering.
Plus, there was the simple fact, I saw it on it's first mention on the net, thought hey how about that, grand strategy but the entire globe. Then they made it real time, perhaps the dumbest most worthless aspect of the game.
HoI2, repeat most of the above. It at least runs on a vanilla install, but for the most part, being charged an additional purchase, for what they should have delivered in the first game was something of an affront.
Needless to say, being asked to buy HoI the Victorian era, and HoI the Crusader years, was not what I would call a viable selling pitch.
Sort of like the front cover of King Arthur (film) proudly claiming it was from the director that inflicted Pearl Harbour and Training Day on us. Yeah right. One betrays history, and the other makes me think the director suffers from Turets syndrome.
Generally, when a game company offers crap repeatedly, I tend to shy away from them exclusively.
I think over all, it is possible, not sure yet, have not really played Civ IV genuinely to know. But I am wondering, if Sid should consider moving on.
Last night, I was thinking, where could he go next.
I think it would be nice, if he built a game, where it was Civ, but was not even based on human history. How about a game based on a famous Roleplaying planet. The Forgotten realms possible.
Now with Civilization. Yes, some of the incarnations of the game have been less exciting than others, in the eyes of some of the fans. But, at least they all ran.
No, not just another RPG game, but a Civ game in an RPG world.
Heroes of Might and Magic is a close approximation.
liuzg150181
27 Oct 05, 10:51
Yeah it was Civ IV that won't run.
Sucks big time, the brief glimpse I got looked promising.
Really sad,for similar experience i bought Silent Hunter 3 recently and my screen is all pink and purple~~~!!!
As for hate (this is where many people groan and mutter why oh why did you have to directly ask him :) ).
HoI, because a vanilla install was about as much good as installing vanilla pudding. Both worked about as much good. And a year later, you still had a better chance with the vanilla pudding.
Uh,I still hadnt got the detail what went wrong,care to elaborate?
Installation problem? Interface?
Not what I call a responsible product.
Explaining to me the merits of certain well known mods does not make the game less a worthless offering.
Huh?Do you mean mods make this game still as bad?
Plus, there was the simple fact, I saw it on it's first mention on the net, thought hey how about that, grand strategy but the entire globe. Then they made it real time, perhaps the dumbest most worthless aspect of the game.
Another question,do you like Gary Grisby's World at War,or you hate it as much as HoI?
HoI2, repeat most of the above. It at least runs on a vanilla install, but for the most part, being charged an additional purchase, for what they should have delivered in the first game was something of an affront.
So you like HoI2,or not?
Needless to say, being asked to buy HoI the Victorian era, and HoI the Crusader years, was not what I would call a viable selling pitch.
Victoria is REALLY very different from HoI series,as is Crusader Kings,dont mix them up~~~
However Paradox does patch up their game,and sometimes for years which dramastically change the game~~~ :surprise:
Sort of like the front cover of King Arthur (film) proudly claiming it was from the director that inflicted Pearl Harbour and Training Day on us. Yeah right. One betrays history, and the other makes me think the director suffers from Turets syndrome.
I think you have become a bit agitated over this that I cant really understand what you wrote.......
Generally, when a game company offers crap repeatedly, I tend to shy away from them exclusively.
A crap that has a base of supporters? :D
I think over all, it is possible, not sure yet, have not really played Civ IV genuinely to know. But I am wondering, if Sid should consider moving on.
Last night, I was thinking, where could he go next.
I think it would be nice, if he built a game, where it was Civ, but was not even based on human history. How about a game based on a famous Roleplaying planet. The Forgotten realms possible.
Now with Civilization. Yes, some of the incarnations of the game have been less exciting than others, in the eyes of some of the fans. But, at least they all ran.
No, not just another RPG game, but a Civ game in an RPG world.
Heroes of Might and Magic is a close approximation.
Well, i think i am still not tired of WW2 wargames,be it tactical,operational,strategic or grand strategical~~~ ;)
Waiting for Matrix edition of TOAW right now.........
pvthudson01
27 Oct 05, 11:58
Well my CIV IV will be here today, its on the truck waiting for delivery
Time to hit the Monster Assault 16 ounce and get down to business conquering the world with Flint tipped spears!
FWIW none of the reviews I have seen mention stability problems or anything of the sort, and usually that is something reviewers would mention if they run into it.
I've been reading of problems everywhere actually.
Here's an Apolyton poll:
Does Civ4 Run on your machine?
You have already voted on this poll.
ATI: Doesn't Run 34 30.91%
ATI: Runs Just Fine 30 27.27%
nVidia: Doesn't Run 4 3.64%
nVidia: Runs Just Fine 24 21.82%
Bananas! (I don't have it, but I gotta vote...) 18 16.36%
Total: 110 voters 100%
HoI, more issues than a news stand :) this is where Les is kind though and shuts up (hey amazing he can actually do that :) ).
The crowd goes entirely wild !!
Gary Grigsby's game World at War. Major disappoint at the satisfaction level. But the game runs for me, sort of. Takes a bit of effort for my system. That's not the program's fault of course.
Graphics in it, oh my god, what did they do, hire out a kindegarden class? Lamest game icons I have ever wasted money on. In today's age, a person generally expects a bit more effort.
Have not played it enough to say much more. I sort of bought it with my fingers crossed hoping I would eventually get over how dreadful looking the animations were, and just try to enjoy playing the game underneath the graphics.
Someone PLEEEEEASE rescue this game with modded new graphics if possible :)
I think my chances of playing Civ IV, rest on how well I can make wife want to play Heroes of Might and Magic 5. We will need an upgrade for that one too. And if she wants the upgrade as well, I am more or less not asking to buy a 500 dollar computer game (what Civ IV costs when I add new hardware parts hehe).
I think my chances of playing Civ IV, rest on how well I can make wife want to play Heroes of Might and Magic 5. We will need an upgrade for that one too. And if she wants the upgrade as well, I am more or less not asking to buy a 500 dollar computer game (what Civ IV costs when I add new hardware parts hehe).
From what I've seen HoMM5 will definitely require a better rig than you have. And from what I've also gathered about it, you will both definitely want to play it. :D
Ivan Rapkinov
27 Oct 05, 15:43
Yeah it was Civ IV that won't run.
Plus, there was the simple fact, I saw it on it's first mention on the net, thought hey how about that, grand strategy but the entire globe. Then they made it real time, perhaps the dumbest most worthless aspect of the game.
HoI2, repeat most of the above. It at least runs on a vanilla install, but for the most part, being charged an additional purchase, for what they should have delivered in the first game was something of an affront.
Needless to say, being asked to buy HoI the Victorian era, and HoI the Crusader years, was not what I would call a viable selling pitch.
given that Europa Universalis was the first in the series (EU2 has never left my hd either), calling em HoI clones is a bit redundant. They have an engine, and they base games around it. You worked on the Mega Campaigns, something I personally think is huge waste of money (and that's after working with the Raiders on Tiller games), cos you're paying for a scenario pack - nothing new. What paradox does is no different to Prosimco, HPS or any myriad of other companies.
the thing I like about Paradox is how much they put into their games content wise. graphics will never win any prizes, but solo play is good, and multiplay is better. Also the uniqueness of it. Name another game where you have to guide the genetics of a dynasty....
I'd not call it real time either - more PCT like HttR or ATF.
Generally, when a game company offers crap repeatedly, I tend to shy away from them exclusively.
One man's crap is another man's fertiliser ;)
one thing that I've always like about Paradox is value for money -> their games cost (in Oz at least), 30-40% less than their new release counterparts.
I just picked it up, gonna install now. If I don't post in the next 24 hours... assume that it worked.
Also: if I'm suddenly no longer engaged, am not in school, and have no future, also assume that it worked.
EDIT -
It works. I know ultimately I'll really enjoy these improvements, but the interface is just so weird and not Civ-like it's going to take me a long time to get used to it. And in my first game barbarians are managing to annoy me... time to restart and plan things a little better... :nervous:
A posting over at Aployton says that they have solved the ATI problem, so people shouldn't have the
problem they were having anymore. http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=140859
Just got it....will proceed to install and whatnot. I'm really impressed with the special edition though.
I love it so far, but I have on complaint.
Two units of Archers and one unit of pikemen managed to kill my Panzer...
Two units of Archers and one unit of pikemen managed to kill my Panzer...
Oh no...not this again.
Well, hopefully you are playing well-enough opponents that won't be an issue - spearmen v panzers.
Who is up for some multiplayer this weekend?
Started over after the botched game, and won in my next. Played as Germany, pretty much just focused on techs and building, although eventually I did decide to wipe Gandhi out (his nation was the one that destroyed a panzer of mine with medieval units, although that only happened once really - actually that's not true, longbowmen killed a helicopter gunship of mine :rolleyes: ).
All in all pretty fun, next game I'm going to focus a bit more on military things, and try to use the religion to my advantage (the problem I think is when playing on the easier setting, since I'm flying through the tech tree much faster than everyone is that I founded all the religions but Buddhism and Hinduism - the two first religions, because other nations were able to start them first). So my country founded Judaism, Christianity, Confuscism, Taoism, and Islam thus my nation had cities of various types and I didn't feel like converting them, I just went to free religion and pretty much ignored the issue.
Having read a US infantry field manual on how to mission kill a tank with a log, the "modern v ancient" issue is becoming irrelevant to me. Were you conquered because of the loss of the panzer?
I love it so far, but I have on complaint.
Two units of Archers and one unit of pikemen managed to kill my Panzer...
This has been, and always will be a quality of this type of game really.
The units are rated for X level of capacity to absorb damage for the most part, and that is basically it. Run out of damage absorbing capacity, and the unit is toast.
That, and most units will get a mathematical chance of doing something eventually. Roll the dice long enough, and you'll eventually get that rare number.
What I think people sometimes fixate on, is the Archer didn't just shoot just arrows until an arrow poked the eye out of every tanker in the unit :)
I think we get too wrapped up in the cute icon, and the cute icons animated image, and forget, in real life, if a bunch of Archers were confronted with a bunch of Panzers, most would die, but the few creative ones would be doing some fast thinking, on how to wreck a Panzer.
An actual arrow or spear or sword will NEVER in and of itself ever actually damage an armoured vehicle (beyond scratching the paint job, breaking a head light and cutting some wiring).
Well said. Every game is abstract to some extent and relies on randomizers. Anyway, who would have thought a small boat could damage the USS Cole? Sometimes, the simple guys get lucky.
liuzg150181
28 Oct 05, 09:16
HoI, more issues than a news stand :) this is where Les is kind though and shuts up (hey amazing he can actually do that :) ).
The crowd goes entirely wild !!
Ok,I presumed it is the installation and programme running part that is the problem~~~
Gary Grigsby's game World at War. Major disappoint at the satisfaction level. But the game runs for me, sort of. Takes a bit of effort for my system. That's not the program's fault of course.
Graphics in it, oh my god, what did they do, hire out a kindegarden class? Lamest game icons I have ever wasted money on. In today's age, a person generally expects a bit more effort.
I dont find the graphic that horrible,at least for HoI2,and you can switch to counters if you want~~~ :)
Not to forget it is a game made by a group of Swedish history professors~~~ :laugh:
Have not played it enough to say much more. I sort of bought it with my fingers crossed hoping I would eventually get over how dreadful looking the animations were, and just try to enjoy playing the game underneath the graphics.
Someone PLEEEEEASE rescue this game with modded new graphics if possible :)
Uh......may I ask which mod you have tried?
There are some mods that enhances the graphics,try CORE mod's skin pak for a try~~~
I think my chances of playing Civ IV, rest on how well I can make wife want to play Heroes of Might and Magic 5. We will need an upgrade for that one too. And if she wants the upgrade as well, I am more or less not asking to buy a 500 dollar computer game (what Civ IV costs when I add new hardware parts hehe).
I hope i can play the game too,but it hasnt arrived in Singapore yet.......
liuzg150181
28 Oct 05, 09:22
given that Europa Universalis was the first in the series (EU2 has never left my hd either), calling em HoI clones is a bit redundant. They have an engine, and they base games around it. You worked on the Mega Campaigns, something I personally think is huge waste of money (and that's after working with the Raiders on Tiller games), cos you're paying for a scenario pack - nothing new. What paradox does is no different to Prosimco, HPS or any myriad of other companies.
the thing I like about Paradox is how much they put into their games content wise. graphics will never win any prizes, but solo play is good, and multiplay is better. Also the uniqueness of it. Name another game where you have to guide the genetics of a dynasty....
I'd not call it real time either - more PCT like HttR or ATF.
Yup,you have summed up everything. :)
For old hardcore wargamers,bear in mind that paradox games is not just about war,thus its battle or war system could not be compared to those like Campaign or TOAW series~~~
One man's crap is another man's fertiliser ;)
one thing that I've always like about Paradox is value for money -> their games cost (in Oz at least), 30-40% less than their new release counterparts.
While there are games that appeals to both the hardcore and casual gamers,but for the majority of the games most likely it can only appeal to one side while puts off the other~~~
And more so if you considering some players play only one or few genres of games.
Patrocles
28 Oct 05, 09:52
Well said. Every game is abstract to some extent and relies on randomizers. Anyway, who would have thought a small boat could damage the USS Cole? Sometimes, the simple guys get lucky.
But does this happen with regularity in Civ4? Are spearman on a regular, and relatively higher than expected basis, wiping out panzers in Civ4?
Well said. Every game is abstract to some extent and relies on randomizers. Anyway, who would have thought a small boat could damage the USS Cole? Sometimes, the simple guys get lucky.
It would be more like a small boat with a couple of pirates SINKING the USS Cole.
liuzg150181 when I said I was going to shut up about the other game, I did mean it eh hehe.
My comment "Graphics in it, oh my god, what did they do, hire out a kindegarden class? Lamest game icons I have ever wasted money on. In today's age, a person generally expects a bit more effort." Not even connected with "the other game".
So your response was not even relevant as you were connecting it to the wrong game.
The graphics in GGWaW are the ones that I referred to. Thus, you will have to debate your opinion of them. I thought the whole selection must have been drawn on a friday night at the last minute.
liuzg150181
28 Oct 05, 12:00
liuzg150181 when I said I was going to shut up about the other game, I did mean it eh hehe.
My comment "Graphics in it, oh my god, what did they do, hire out a kindegarden class? Lamest game icons I have ever wasted money on. In today's age, a person generally expects a bit more effort." Not even connected with "the other game".
So your response was not even relevant as you were connecting it to the wrong game.
The graphics in GGWaW are the ones that I referred to. Thus, you will have to debate your opinion of them. I thought the whole selection must have been drawn on a friday night at the last minute.
Hehe,sorry my mistake,it is confusing me~~~ :hush:
I didnt actually play but read many reviews of GGWaW to decide whether to buy it.Though GGWaW is attractive to me due to Gary Grisby's name on it,I finally decided not to buy it,partly due to the large chunck of lands(seems quite rough and not good sign for me),partly due to not-so-good review(from other forums),partly due to the fact I already had HoI2~~~
I didnt refrain from the game due to graphic though,but your 'review' makes me feel i had made the right choice~~~ :laugh:
But does this happen with regularity in Civ4? Are spearman on a regular, and relatively higher than expected basis, wiping out panzers in Civ4?
I doubt it but will let you know when I lose a modern empire to spearmen and archers. :)
liuzg150181,
If you like the HoI series, GGWAW will do nothing for you.
Having read a US infantry field manual on how to mission kill a tank with a log, the "modern v ancient" issue is becoming irrelevant to me. Were you conquered because of the loss of the panzer?
No I was on the offensive. The problem I have with it is, even if you think up all the imaginative ways to kill a tank, that success would be the exception not the rule. It's one thing for 20 guys to come up with a way to kill a tank, it's another thing for a division of medieval soldiers, in formation, to destroy a division of tanks. :laugh:
But does this happen with regularity in Civ4? Are spearman on a regular, and relatively higher than expected basis, wiping out panzers in Civ4?
If you're not careful yes, it can. Mainly in attacking cities (granted when fighting in a city it seems potentially more likely). All this said, my problems were just with panzers, by the time I lost two units of Panzers (a German upgrade of the base Armor) I had "Modern Armor" and I didn't lose any of them to... well... anything.
Well said. Every game is abstract to some extent and relies on randomizers. Anyway, who would have thought a small boat could damage the USS Cole? Sometimes, the simple guys get lucky.
As Beavs sort of pointed out, how about a group of guys getting on a row boat, without any knowledge of what gunpowder or explosives are... sinking the US Cole.
Overseer, did you manage to snag the collectors edition?
Unfortunately, I haven't had too much time to play it yet, but hopefully that will change this weekend....I'm not too well-versed in the Civ world though, so I'm taking a look at the manual first.
I tried the tutorial, but it kinda broke 1/2 way through....told me to build a farm improvement but I didn't have enough production to do so?
And as far as medievel v modern - I bet someone will come out with a mod to fix that sometime soon, as its one of the major complaints with the series.
Its also interesting to see that they use XML and Python a lot, for all of their interfaces.
For people having problems, 2K Games has posted a support section (http://2kgames.com/civ4/support.htm) for the most common problems. Check to see if your difficulty is solved.
liuzg150181
29 Oct 05, 02:04
liuzg150181,
If you like the HoI series, GGWAW will do nothing for you.
Oh ok,I already decided not to buy it anyway.......
Modifying a well-known quotation from Rudyard Kipling,it could be summed up that "HoI is HoI, and GGWAW is GGWAW, and never the twain shall meet" :cheeky:
Overseer, did you manage to snag the collectors edition?
Unfortunately, I haven't had too much time to play it yet, but hopefully that will change this weekend....I'm not too well-versed in the Civ world though, so I'm taking a look at the manual first.
I tried the tutorial, but it kinda broke 1/2 way through....told me to build a farm improvement but I didn't have enough production to do so?
And as far as medievel v modern - I bet someone will come out with a mod to fix that sometime soon, as its one of the major complaints with the series.
Its also interesting to see that they use XML and Python a lot, for all of their interfaces.
No unfortunately I didn't get the collector's edition. I went to our best buy, they didn't have Civ at all, so I went over to the nearby EB to it, they had Civ the regular version, and I didn't feel like running around to other stores to get the collector's edition.
Did the regular version have the keyboard template? If not, somebody should compile a list of hotkeys.
Did the regular version have the keyboard template? If not, somebody should compile a list of hotkeys.
The first reference chart in the back of the manual lists the hotkeys.
EDIT:
Just played my first real game...took a LONG time - I think next time I'll play at the fastest setting. I halted expansion after about 1000 AD and after some time my population began to be unhappy and unhealthy despite my efforts. So I decided to conquer somebody to expand and get resources, but I sat on my production too much and didn't build enough of a military - so it wasn't successful :(. So far I enjoy the game, although I haven't gotten too deep into the intricacies of the yet - I hardly touched religon and didn't do much with the great people.
Thanks. Didn't look that far back.
The first reference chart in the back of the manual lists the hotkeys.
EDIT:
Just played my first real game...took a LONG time - I think next time I'll play at the fastest setting. I halted expansion after about 1000 AD and after some time my population began to be unhappy and unhealthy despite my efforts. So I decided to conquer somebody to expand and get resources, but I sat on my production too much and didn't build enough of a military - so it wasn't successful :(. So far I enjoy the game, although I haven't gotten too deep into the intricacies of the yet - I hardly touched religon and didn't do much with the great people.
My first game only took 4 hours and some minutes. Not that long of a game, Civ II I think went much longer.
What speed were you using?
What speed were you using?
The normal setting. I haven't tried it yet, but I'm confused from the description: Does the epic setting increase both the number of turns things take to complete AND the number of turns in the game or is it just one of those? I really always felt there were too few turns in a Civ game. :laugh:
My first game only took 4 hours and some minutes. Not that long of a game, Civ II I think went much longer.
Mine probably went about that long, or a little shorter. I guess I'm just used to relatively short RTS games.
Okay... combat is getting a little ridiculous for me. Did they seriously say they tried to fix things?
When the enemy conquers a well entrenched city of mine... using a stack of Civil War era Cavalry and some infantry... against my top artillery, mech infantry, and whatever else I had... I tend to get a little annoyed....
Okay... combat is getting a little ridiculous for me. Did they seriously say they tried to fix things?
When the enemy conquers a well entrenched city of mine... using a stack of Civil War era Cavalry and some infantry... against my top artillery, mech infantry, and whatever else I had... I tend to get a little annoyed....
Yeah, I have never really liked the combat in the Civ series. In the IGN review the whole issue was counted as a "design decision"....:dead:
SDK coming early next year, and already there are things that can be changed...a mod will come out for it.
liuzg150181
30 Oct 05, 01:48
I am considering getting the game,but how's the diplomatic system like?
It is a vast improvement over Civ 3?Is there something like 'subordinated civilization' system?
I need a new graphics card to run it on high detail... Pity I can't get out now that I found out it works on the low detail variant just fine... ;)
I am considering getting the game,but how's the diplomatic system like?
It is a vast improvement over Civ 3?Is there something like 'subordinated civilization' system?
I would hestitate to call it a "vast" improvement. Open borders is nice and moving onto another country's unit doesn't cause automatic war. Co-religionists improve relations. I wouldn't say it has "subordinate civs" but, if you have good relations and are powerful, some civs will follow your lead.
Ivan Rapkinov
30 Oct 05, 10:34
I would hestitate to call it a "vast" improvement. Open borders is nice and moving onto another country's unit doesn't cause automatic war. Co-religionists improve relations. I wouldn't say it has "subordinate civs" but, if you have good relations and are powerful, some civs will follow your lead.
so compared to EU2/Vicky/CK diplomacy it's still infantile?
so compared to EU2/Vicky/CK diplomacy it's still infantile?
Having not even played those, I can promise you yes. It's good for a Civ game, but it's nothing amazing.
liuzg150181
31 Oct 05, 10:17
In that case,bye bye Civ4~~~ :hurray:
so compared to EU2/Vicky/CK diplomacy it's still infantile?
Really no comparison. Civ is still basically just an RTS city building game with the twists of political, cultural, and technological victiories being possible without actually sending out your screaming hordes to conquer the globe. The above games are more political simulations with the military being abstracted as an extension of political power. Civ will be a once or twice a month game, while I always have one or more of the Paradox games going.
Siberian HEAT
31 Oct 05, 16:48
Okay... combat is getting a little ridiculous for me. Did they seriously say they tried to fix things?
When the enemy conquers a well entrenched city of mine... using a stack of Civil War era Cavalry and some infantry... against my top artillery, mech infantry, and whatever else I had... I tend to get a little annoyed....
Not that this has anything to do with Civ IV, but your quote reminds me of something that happened to me in the original game. As the master of my world I built my civilization up to modern times to the point I had battleships...and during one encounter with one of my more backwards opponents my battleship shelled a primitive spearman unit - and LOST! Even in the world of make-believe I could never figure out how to justify that sinking to my fleet commander. :laugh:
Not that this has anything to do with Civ IV, but your quote reminds me of something that happened to me in the original game. As the master of my world I built my civilization up to modern times to the point I had battleships...and during one encounter with one of my more backwards opponents my battleship shelled a primitive spearman unit - and LOST! Even in the world of make-believe I could never figure out how to justify that sinking to my fleet commander. :laugh:
Hahaha yeah I think I remember that happening once or twice to me, although I must say, I really feel like I noticed much less of the problem in older civ titles than I have in this one.
Actually more so than Civ, your story reminds me very much of Rise of Nations, where my nuclear subs would be sunk by 17th century warships! :rolleyes:
Ooooohhh oooooohhh
Sudden inspiration:
Given the collective knowledge and experience contained on these forums....
...there should be plenty of potential to make a very nice mod out of Civ IV....
eh?
Ooooohhh oooooohhh
Sudden inspiration:
Given the collective knowledge and experience contained on these forums....
...there should be plenty of potential to make a very nice mod out of Civ IV....
eh?
I like it. We can finally fix the units! I'll join in if we do it.
New thread for it:
http://www.strategyzoneonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=438727#post438727
Well, I think I finally solved my system's issues and was able to finish a game w/o the system freezing up. It seems my card was overheating.
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