Scenario Sizes

[Bob Cross]

Somehow I got started thinking about relative scenario sizes as relating to ladder points. I thought that the product of total-units times total-turns would be a good measure of playing effort required. (I figured size factors only affecting design effort, such as map size, could be ignored.)

I tried figuring this for a few scenarios, and the results were so interesting, I got carried away and figured them up for all I could find. I’m attaching the spreadsheet that resulted to this post, for any whom may be interested. It might prove utilitarian when you’re searching for a scenario to try. The resulting value (scaled by a factor of 1000) may come close to correlating with days required to play.

One thing it reveals is that there are a bunch of really huge scenarios out there. None of Daniel’s or mine made the top ten, and DNO was not in the top 20. Scenarios in red are the Talonsoft originals. Many others are conversions to ACOW that may not even remain functional in it. And I’m sure I’ve missed a bunch.

[Chuck?]

Interesting information. Didn't know there was a scenario with 800 turns. Sounds a bit much to me!

Sometimes this data doesn't tell the entire story. Zero Hour is listed as #16 while DNO is #19. However I'd estimate that the total amount of time to play DNO is probably at least twice that of ZH. One reason is that many units aren't available for use in Zero Hour until the end of the scenario. Also ZH is more a 'beer and pretzel' scenario while DNO is a complex, regiment scaled scenario.

[tklemme]

My, but I do make small scenarios.

If you want to add to the list:

"Serbia-Galicia 1914"
252, 328, 11 turns

"Operation: Compass 1940"
77, 91, 26 turns

The upcoming "Eastern Front 1915" is looking like
202, 232, 22

Which would make it my 3rd largest scenario, and it ain't that big.

Todd

[JAMiAM]

Originally posted by tklemme
My, but I do make small scenarios.


LoL...don't start getting "size envy" now. Quality smaller scenarios are very much appreciated for tournaments and to avoid burning out on those twenty hour per turn scenarios...;)

[tklemme]

Don't worry. Of the scenarios I have planned East Front 1915 is the largest.

The next two, by the way, are Brusilov Offensive 1916 and Rumania 1916. The maps are already done (mostly for East Front 1915) and most of the unit types (except for Bulgaria and Rumania) are already done, so they will go quicker than East Front has.

BTW, if anyone knows whether Romania, Rumania or Roumania is proper, please let me know. My sources use all three.

Todd

[tigersqn]

Originally posted by Chuck
Interesting information. Didn't know there was a scenario with 800 turns. Sounds a bit much too me!



Ahem!!

Bosnian War2002
10k hex
6 hr turns
Bde/rgt scale
1 000 turns

[Chuck?]

Originally posted by tigersqn


Ahem!!

Bosnian War2002
10k hex
6 hr turns
Bde/rgt scale
1 000 turns

Sounds like a lot of fun... :lier:

[Mantis]

Is there a max turns allowed in the editor?

[JAMiAM]

Originally posted by tigersqn


Ahem!!

Bosnian War2002
10k hex
6 hr turns
Bde/rgt scale
1 000 turns

LoL...that sounds bad. Motorized movement rates of what? Three, maybe four hexes per turn...at full supply? Must be like watching grass grow...in reverse:rolleyes:

[Southern Dandy]

Originally posted by tklemme

BTW, if anyone knows whether Romania, Rumania or Roumania is proper, please let me know. My sources use all three.



For what little it may be worth, I've seen all three in usage as well. The first 2 you have listed seem to be the most frequently used in my various references (at least to my recollection). Looks like one of those few things in life that you'll be able to pick whichever one suits your fancy and have no adverse repurcussions in doing so...at least until someone from Bucharest posts their preference!

John

[tigersqn]

Originally posted by JAMiAM


LoL...that sounds bad. Motorized movement rates of what? Three, maybe four hexes per turn...at full supply? Must be like watching grass grow...in reverse:rolleyes:

The scenario was made up by Mejan Galic. I guess he figured on doing a realistic scenario. A war that never seems to end.

[Bob Cross]

Originally posted by tklemme
My, but I do make small scenarios.

If you want to add to the list:

"Serbia-Galicia 1914"
252, 328, 11 turns

"Operation: Compass 1940"
77, 91, 26 turns

The upcoming "Eastern Front 1915" is looking like
202, 232, 22

Which would make it my 3rd largest scenario, and it ain't that big.

Todd

Will do. But the briefing on "Russan War" lists you as one of the designers. It's #19.

[Bob Cross]

Originally posted by tigersqn


Ahem!!

Bosnian War2002
10k hex
6 hr turns
Bde/rgt scale
1 000 turns

How many units?

I've never heard of this one. Where is it posted?

[tigersqn]

Originally posted by Bob Cross


How many units?

I've never heard of this one. Where is it posted?

223 units total
87 Serb and 136 Bosnian

I think I picked it up from Wargamers.com