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OK we are off!!! The tournament has officially started today. Use this thread to discuss the tournament. I hope everyone will start soon. The Allies go first in round 1.
I've got my game with trauth116 going. Into turn 3 as the Allies. The Airborne drop is huge, all over the place and worst, disrupted. Can't assault!!!
Waiting for Birdgunner's first turn.
printshop
16 May 05, 09:47
dannybou - Please check your private messages.
dannybou - Please check your private messages.
Done.
Anybody else started their games?
I'm on T5 w/ RangerBooBoo. I've got the allies in this one.
I'm on T3 w/ Trauth116 as the Germans.
So far it seems as if Germans get the short end of the stick in this one. That might change as units get released, but we'll have to see...
Ditto for me, getting my ass handed to me in little hex shape pieces as the Axis player, it's early days in my Allied game.
Dave68124
18 May 05, 14:19
Arnhem-
I believe you are undertaking an Operation of Misinformation for my consumption!!
As Joao and I discussed, I do not believe there is a question if the Germans will be beaten, but only how badly. By the look of my German troops, they are also members of Panzer Army "Wussland" and tend to think that having the terms Disrupted, Broken, Isloated and Low Ammo applied to them are badges of honor to be shown with pride.
In this scenario, the odds are against the Germans that's for sure. But if the German player can hold key positions, bridges and prevent the Allied player to capture easy VP's, then that's where it will play out. Watch out at Carentan mates!! You will see that the 6th FJ Regiment isn't part of the Wussland Division. :D
Arnhem-
I believe you are undertaking an Operation of Misinformation for my consumption!!
As Joao and I discussed, I do not believe there is a question if the Germans will be beaten, but only how badly. By the look of my German troops, they are also members of Panzer Army "Wussland" and tend to think that having the terms Disrupted, Broken, Isloated and Low Ammo applied to them are badges of honor to be shown with pride.
Drat! I had thought I could let you wander around in the smoke screen for a while I cajoled the 91st into some semblance of a battle line. Blasted fallshirmjager!
Pirimeister
20 May 05, 20:28
But this is some wicked terrain we have here. :confused: It's like every hex is a mini-fortress in it!
So Gents, how are you doing in your tournament games? Any issues? Comments? Have any of you failed to make contact with an opponent yet?
I'm rolling right along in my matches.
RangerBooBoo and I are 3/4 done. Trauth116 and I are approaching the halfway point.
Allied arty always seems to be unavailable. If it wasn't for the HW companies, the Allies would be in trouble.
Jefferylau
26 May 05, 22:22
Ok my game is on the way
As Allied against Al Wood
As Axis against Eric Weider
Well this a tough one for the German....
printshop
26 May 05, 23:16
Ok my game is on the way
As Allied against Al Wood
As Axis against Eric Weider
Well this a tough one for the German....
Gee, I hope I am making it tough for the Allies, too! 8^)
It is an interesting chess match against Jeffery.
Just getting started against Birdgunner.
Printshop (aka Al Woods)
Dave68124
28 May 05, 16:59
Danny-
Check you PM. One game down, 1 to go.
Thanks,
Dave
Joao Lima
29 May 05, 14:40
Got it. Great stuff.
Not for me... ;-)
Not for me... ;-)
You'll get your revenge...
Finished as ze Germans vs Dave68124's Allies, am nursing sore rear end after having vigorously kicked Dave's boot with it more than a few times.:confused:
Finished as ze Germans vs Dave68124's Allies, am nursing sore rear end after having vigorously kicked Dave's boot with it more than a few times.:confused:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
You just cracked me up mate!!
Birdgunner:
Are you having difficulties returning your turns? Haven't got a turn from you in a while. If there is something I can do, let me know.
Birdgunner
02 Jun 05, 19:32
Birdgunner:
Are you having difficulties returning your turns? Haven't got a turn from you in a while. If there is something I can do, let me know.
No difficulties. Just short on time this week. Besides work I had a couple of university assignments due! I'll get a file out to you tonight.
Denis
OK no problems, just would hate to run out of time.
Some scores are starting to come in. So far so good.
How do you guys want this? Do you want me to post the scores after round 1 matches, or keep everyone in the dark until the end to add to the suspense?
After round 1 gets my vote.
Just wondering, has any game ended in other than an Allied major victory?
KG_RangerBooBoo
07 Jun 05, 15:12
Probably not until I finish as the Allied player.
Just wondering, has any game ended in other than an Allied major victory?
Yes.
Reason I asked was b/c I saw a German major victory in WARS, and I thought it may have been misentered .... curious :hmmm:
Jefferylau
07 Jun 05, 20:08
I am in turn 12 in my game as allied and don't think I will get an major here :(
trauth116
09 Jun 05, 07:57
The one thing about the round one scenario is the difference between a draw and a major voctory for the US forces is 200 or 250 VPs - which basically means the player needs to concentrate on getting a couple of the high valued VP areas -- usually the easiest is probably around Carentan (where there is a major river - and the bocage is not so prevailent as in other areas of the map).
Plus - wait until round 2 ... iirc that is the entire Gold, Sword, Juno, Omaha, & Utah beaches - plus adjoining airdrops. :D
I am in turn 12 in my game as allied and don't think I will get an major here :(
Give it time, I started collecting the points later in the game.
trauth116
10 Jun 05, 08:37
I want to underline what Danny said - not only because it's true - but because it happened to me :hush: (well part of it is the Montreal vsds Chicago jinx thing that kept the Blackhawks from winning the Stanley Cup in the 70's - but I digress :D ) ...
I simply ran out of guys at the wrong place at the wrong time - I relied on an engineer unit to be able to blow the main highway bridge over the Merderet going into Carentan -and it did not happen - and while in the process of doing that - the bridges to either side got crossed and I subsequently got cut off ... my cunning plan was to blow the bridge then withdraw to the city ... but - well like I said it did not work out - and if he can't take Carentan this last turn I may never play a PzC game again.... see Danny has Carentan surrounded with heaps of troops from the 4th ID and 101st AB - and my turn 20 defenders have exactly 1 AA truck, and 1 75mm gun. .
He is with 20 or 30 points of a major victory and Carentan yields 100, he also has a shot at Isigny, although I might have too much stuff forward so he may not make it there with enough movement points to assault. Sure I pushed his guys in - in the West - but there is no VP areas there I had any realistic shot at recovering; due to the bocage restricting my deployed movements...
I still think I did ok, in that Danny has an advantage on me in this scenario that I didn't get in my Allied scenario with Mini-Me -- see I drew soft ground conditions there which has slowed things down a good deal; I actually had a major voctory level there at one point, but lost it when my 82nd glider borne reenforcements dropped in and caused themselves all sorts of casualties... I may still get it if I am relatively lucky... least I think I am in a decent position - but if I had the same weather conditions I might be in an even better position.
The thing is -I probably did not play this scenario the way I would have played a larger campaign.. well it just feels that way.
Anyway, I have never been able to beat Dannybou -I feel jinxed :cry: :D :whist:
Eric Weider
12 Jun 05, 21:09
What is the deadline for this tourney again?
Jefferylau
13 Jun 05, 02:25
If I am not wrong , it is June 30 , so we will have enough time to complete our game , eric :)
Correct, it is the 30th of June. The next day, round 2 starts.
Eric Weider
13 Jun 05, 09:33
I don't think the calculation of game play included interruptions from travel for those who travel? I think it'll be a tight squeeze for me as next week I am on the road all week. Will do my best to finish up but a one week extension would be comforting. Of course I know rules are rules and I'll quietly accept whatever decision you make. I'll just ask Don to remove the PzC section from the website. Big LOL! You know I'm just joshing!!! :)
I don't think the calculation of game play included interruptions from travel for those who travel? I think it'll be a tight squeeze for me as next week I am on the road all week. Will do my best to finish up but a one week extension would be comforting. Of course I know rules are rules and I'll quietly accept whatever decision you make. I'll just ask Don to remove the PzC section from the website. Big LOL! You know I'm just joshing!!! :)
Hey now! Them's fightin' words! :D
I don't think the calculation of game play included interruptions from travel for those who travel? I think it'll be a tight squeeze for me as next week I am on the road all week. Will do my best to finish up but a one week extension would be comforting. Of course I know rules are rules and I'll quietly accept whatever decision you make. I'll just ask Don to remove the PzC section from the website. Big LOL! You know I'm just joshing!!! :)
Eric, It isn't a big problem for me. Yes rules are rules, but we are not playing for $1,000,000 USD right now (unless you want to offer that cash for the winner Eric :D)
If there is no opposition, then I don't mind pushing the deadline for one week, so let's say round 1 ends July 6th and round 2 starts July 7th and will end September 7th. Any opposition?
printshop
13 Jun 05, 13:55
Thanks Danny, I think the extension will help out a lot.
trauth116
13 Jun 05, 14:06
Eric, It isn't a big problem for me. Yes rules are rules, but we are not playing for $1,000,000 USD right now (unless you want to offer that cash for the winner Eric :D)
If there is no opposition, then I don't mind pushing the deadline for one week, so let's say round 1 ends July 6th and round 2 starts July 7th and will end September 7th. Any opposition?
Er I can offer that up as a prize (looks for that Monopoly game ... :whist: )
edited: -oh and no problem with the deadline extension at all...
Remove the section from the .... :p makes me think of selling my story to the Enquirer about how I have religiously used a certain brand of fitness product and gain 5 billion pounds (photo editing is great) :devil:
Runs and hides... :devious:
Jefferylau
13 Jun 05, 18:20
I don't think the calculation of game play included interruptions from travel for those who travel? I think it'll be a tight squeeze for me as next week I am on the road all week. Will do my best to finish up but a one week extension would be comforting. Of course I know rules are rules and I'll quietly accept whatever decision you make. I'll just ask Don to remove the PzC section from the website. Big LOL! You know I'm just joshing!!! :)
Alright for the sake of PZC future , I will instruct my
soldiers at Carentan to go on holidays :laugh:
oops ..probably the force at Isigny will join them as well :p
Yep ..no problem with extension ...
printshop
13 Jun 05, 22:21
Alright for the sake of PZC future , I will instruct my
soldiers at Carentan to go on holidays :laugh:
oops ..probably the force at Isigny will join them as well :p
Yep ..no problem with extension ...
Yes. I think a nice day back at the beach would be nice for them. ;D
Jefferylau
16 Jun 05, 04:01
I am in turn 13 as Axis and in a bad shape now ...
Carentan about to fall , Isigny almost defenceless ..in mid of rushing to reinforce , left some heavy weapon troops in T mode ..my goodness those nasty air strike bombarded them to peices ...
oh boy ..will have tough time explaining to the little guy with moustache back home :p
Pirimeister
16 Jun 05, 07:37
Well. it's curtains for me, or at least for the games I was involved in.
As the German, I was on the receiving end of some nasty punishment dished out by Arnhem. He did a great job securing the vital intersections and bringing his reinforcements from the beach (feel free to interrupt in disagreament, Chris! ;) ).
I was able to secure the center and western flank, although it had more to do with the availability of troops in that area than to any skilfully executed plan. In the east, it was a disgrace, really. All in all, a great performance from my Allied opponnent.
As the Allies, I barely managed to scratch a minor victory. My main difficulty revolved around traffic management. Too few roads for too much hardware. After a while I stopped any organized movement inland (specially with all those arty units) and tried to make do with some infantry units + the glidermen. If I hadn't been a sneaky commander, using some of my engineers to cross the rivers to the south of me and gra those distant vp hexes, I wouldn't even have managed the minor... :o
Lousy performance on my part, but I had fun playing the game and that's the important part!
Cheers!
Jefferylau
21 Jun 05, 01:17
Turn 16 - Germans
The Germans celebrate ..they won a battle at Vologne , capturing the city back ...smile on their tired faces..although deep inside they knew this is a lost victory in this war..
Still they have pushed the Allied back to marginal victory though only it will last max for two hours
..
Hereby Commander Eric Weider has been given the rank of ARMCHAIR GENERAL for his excellent leadership in the Battle of Normandy
While Kommandant Lau has been relieve of duty and sent back to study those ArmChairGeneral magazines....which
was believe to contribute significantly to the Aliied Victory ....
printshop
22 Jun 05, 22:23
Congratulations to Jeffry Lau for his Major Victory against me in the 1st round.
You're a tough opponent JL.
One week left gents to finish off the first rounds. A few games are left.
Eric Weider
04 Jul 05, 12:16
Where are opponent match ups for the next round posted?
Joao Lima
04 Jul 05, 13:16
Where are opponent match ups for the next round posted?
At the original tournament thread, near the end.
Only one more day left. Judging by my score sheet, only two games are left.
Birdgunner
05 Jul 05, 19:48
Congrats to Dannybou and Printshop for both getting Major Victories against me. For my first 2 PzC games I think I did OK. I may have gotten bloddied but I learned a bit and hope for a win in round 2.
BTW, what is the name of the next scenario?
Cheers,
Denis
Last day only one game left.
Congrats to Dannybou and Printshop for both getting Major Victories against me. For my first 2 PzC games I think I did OK. I may have gotten bloddied but I learned a bit and hope for a win in round 2.
BTW, what is the name of the next scenario?
Cheers,
Denis
Here it is Denis:
The bridgehead battle 6-7 Jun 1944 scenario #11 (2nd round)
Birdgunner
06 Jul 05, 21:53
Danny,
Should we go ahead and start round 2?
Denis
So, I'm itching to know the results/scores after Round 1. I'm wondering what the point total is for the biggest American major victory. :hmmm:
Already got a jump on round 2 with things going well as the Allies, and not as bad as expected as the Germans - though that is starting to change.
Jefferylau
07 Jul 05, 20:15
Biggest Allied Major Victory score ? , guess has to be my game as German with Eric , I am soundly beaten..... :)
here is the fixtures :
2nd round.
Eric Weider vs Birdgunner
Pirimeister vs Printshop
Joao Lima vs trauth116
Dave68124 vs Mini-Me
Rangerbooboo vs arnhem
JeferyLau vs dannybou
and the mirror:
Birdgunner vs Pirimeister
arnhem vs Eric Weider
dannybou vs JeferyLau
Printshop vs Rangerbooboo
Mini-Me vs Joao Lima
trauth116 vs Dave68124
Good luck to everyone in 2nd round ....
OK sorry Guys been ectic at work arresting pedophiles..... alright round 2 has started. Give me a bit and I will post the scores. I am missing one so I probably missed it.
Joao Lima vs Pirimeister. Could you Guys post the final score or PM me with it?
Good luck to all in round 2. So how did you find the first round scenario? Agree to say that Carentan is one of the keys?
Danny,
Should we go ahead and start round 2?
Denis
Yes go ahead and start Round 2. Confirm your email addresses with each other.
Alright, the scores: Winner/Score
JeferyLau vs Eric Weider: Eric/1462
Randerbooboo vs Mini-Me: Mini-Me/1815
arnhem vs Dave68124: Dave68124/1665
trauth116 vs dannybou: dannybou/1336
Joao Lima vs Pirimeister: Pirimeister/1198
Birdgunner vs Printshop: Printshop/2075
Printshop vs JeferyLau: JefferyLau/1352
Eric Weider vs Rangerbooboo: Draw/999
Dave68124 vs Joao Lima: Dave68124/488
dannybou vs Birdgunner: dannybou/592
Mini-Me vs trauth116: trauth/1193
Pirimeister vs arnhem: arnhem/1666
Check you scores to make sure I've got them right. Here would be the tope 3 players then:
1. dave68124
2. dannybou
3. Eric Weider
FYI I am basing the winner on the number of victories. So both Dave and I have two victories, but his Allies win has more points and his German win has less. Eric is third as I won his game as the Allied and tied as the German. If you have questions, don't hesitate to post them. :nuts:
OK has everybody started round 2 games? If you are having problems contacting your opponents let me know.
Danny,
What is the final pecking order 1 - 12 for round 1? I'd like to see where I sit. I'm having a blonde moment, so calculations escape me right now. :nuts:
I'm halfway through both round 2 matches. Rolling right along as the Allies, though Omaha is giving me fits. I have taken 3 bunkers there, so it should be just a matter of time before I get all of them. Suprisingly, I'm doing very well as the German. I've got Omaha completely locked up, and I've taken Carentan with a sizable force. Digging in there. The Brits and Canadians are a becoming a pain though.
Jefferylau
13 Jul 05, 19:25
My congratulation to the top three !! :)
Guess it is my luck to play my both 2nd round games against tough dannybou :)
Cheers
Danny,
What is the final pecking order 1 - 12 for round 1? I'd like to see where I sit. I'm having a blonde moment, so calculations escape me right now. :nuts:
I'm halfway through both round 2 matches. Rolling right along as the Allies, though Omaha is giving me fits. I have taken 3 bunkers there, so it should be just a matter of time before I get all of them. Suprisingly, I'm doing very well as the German. I've got Omaha completely locked up, and I've taken Carentan with a sizable force. Digging in there. The Brits and Canadians are a becoming a pain though.
OK here it is:
1. dave68124 - 2 wins 0 losses
2. dannybou - 2 wins 0 losses
3. Eric Weider - 1 win 1 draw
4. Printshop - 1 win (2075) 1 loss
5. Mini-me - 1 win (1815) 1 loss
6. arnhem - 1 win (1666) 1 loss
7. jefferylau - 1 win (1352) 1 loss
8. Pirimeister - 1 win (1198) 1 loss
9. trauth116 - 1 win (1193) 1 loss
10. Rangerbooboo - 0 win 1 draw 1 loss
11. Joao Lima - 0 win 2 losses (1198)
12. Birdgunner - 0 win 2 losses (2075)
The numbers in parentheses are the scores achieved.
[QUOTE=Mini-I'm halfway through both round 2 matches. Rolling right along as the Allies, though Omaha is giving me fits. I have taken 3 bunkers there, so it should be just a matter of time before I get all of them. Suprisingly, I'm doing very well as the German. I've got Omaha completely locked up, and I've taken Carentan with a sizable force. Digging in there. The Brits and Canadians are a becoming a pain though.[/QUOTE]
This round 2 scenario will test both players strategy. With only 20 turns, the pressure is definitely on the Allies. They need to get off the beaches and quick. Carentan will also be a key objective for the Germans. With the 6th FJ defending it, it will be a tough nut to crack.I would say that the Allies have the advantage but a good, disciplined German opponent will give him ulcers. Wait until the Panzers arrive!!!
I've gotten a lot of 21st Panzer so far, and some of the 12th SS (I think that's right). But, there's a ton of reinforcements that are past due! When I find them, it's off to the Eastern front for the malingerers!
It would be the 12th SS commanded by the notorious Kurt Meyer himself. Better hope the Canadians don't capture him....
It would be the 12th SS commanded by the notorious Kurt Meyer himself. Better hope the Canadians don't capture him....
I think I'll send him to Omaha! :devious:
trauth116
13 Jul 05, 21:22
I found this in my first matches - that - by concentrating the landing divisions' artillery - and moving the big naval guns down South - the German Paratroops -(with a bit of added aerial support) - are not really that tough a nut to crack - it all depeneds upon the supporting arms...
Pretty interesting situation as I have never played these landing scenarios as the Gerry when playing against the AI -as I did not figure it was up to it... so I am testing out some theories that may be a little off. I don't figure to get to the games I got going for a little while (EG guys, what I said n the emails to you still apply) ... been pretty good so far.
~Steve
Is it me or are naval bombardment next to useless against the beach defenses.... now I know how Gen Bradley must have felt...
Is it me or are naval bombardment next to useless against the beach defenses.... now I know how Gen Bradley must have felt...
Yeah, they don't do much. I think I've gotten 1 disruption result from all the shelling I've done against the bunkers. I'd say 98% of the time it's 'no effect'.
Jefferylau
17 Jul 05, 05:48
For those who need to know more about the scenario we are playing now
Here is the link
http://www.warchronicle.com/dday/contents.htm
Cheers
Which games are you all including in your tournament?
Ben this is our first tournament and we are using Panzer Campaign Normandy 44 version 1.09. We are in round 2 which is due to finish as the end of August 2005.
Once this tourney is done, I'll be looking to organize another one. Hopefully we will have more players this time.
Guys, round 2 will be extended for one week due to vacations and the starting of round 2 one week late. So end date will be: 7 September 2005
Am beating the living daylights out of Eric on the beaches of Omaha courtesy of some lucky releases of nearby 352nd ID units. Stalling him on the Brit beaches is a little more dicey but am trying my hardest to make his life miserable.
As a return favour, am going nowhere on Omaha in my Allied game vs RangerBooBoo, got several breaches of the defences but am locked in due to locking ZOCs. Brits are doing much better but getting to a major victory might be a stretch.
Scored major win as Germans by being very aggressive on defense. Final score was (-1247). Opponent could not get off of Omaha, and I isolated and eliminated large #'s of paratroopers in both the American and British zones.
As Allies have reached minor victory level on turn 11. Almost off of Omaha. Looks good so far, but having already played as the Germans, I know my opponent has some very tough reinforcements on the way. I wonder where he plans to send them....
I'm also having a heck of a time getting off the beaches. Omaha is a mess for me, just can't get his defenders disrupted and am taking aweful casualties assaulting his positions....
trauth116
29 Jul 05, 13:01
Am gonna get back into the swing of things this weekend hopefully -- I got part of my turn with Joao done this past week - but well I got back from Australia last Saturday -and well have not been too into it, mentally --- probably a little jetlagged...
Just got back from R&R. How is the tourney going for you guys??
KG_RangerBooBoo
07 Aug 05, 08:55
If I remember right we're about turn 14 or so in both games. Should finish in by mid-month or so.
trauth116
07 Aug 05, 22:04
Plan on posting some of the stuff that I sorta learned after my games are over - interesting stuff really -kinda tactical for the most part.
Gents, seems some are rushing to finish the scenaro and others fear they won't have time, so let's extend the deadline to the 14th of september. This should help the players on vacation, moving, etc...
trauth116
20 Aug 05, 20:23
Sounds OK with me Danny -as I know my Allied opponent is in the midst of a move -and we are not yet halfway done -it's only fair.
Joao and I just finished off our 2nd round match, -which we'd mostly had done before I went off on a 2 week vacation. I managed to get off the beaches on every beach -and learned a bit about chipping away at the strong points, with multiple attacks; whittling down opposition. IE It is a lot better doing 5 or 6 smaller attack than 1 or 2 big ones - once you get the defenders to a certain point. Also paying attention to the terrain on Omaha - I dunno if I was lucky - or it just worked out - but I concentrated on the draws - not wanting to go over the dikes. Getting the infantry defenders disrupted was more of a priority than the defending coastal arty (in the pill boxes). Isolating was also a good idea -as iirc that drops the defenders 1 morale factor -which doesn't hurt assaults.
I gave ground in the West with my 82nd pretty freely - as for some unknown reason I used to really care about cutting off the Cherbourg hiway early -but considering I never used it as the Germans much - I figured it was pretty pointless to have done so -- also there are no VP areas in the general vicinity -so falling back basically kept some Gerries occupied following me.
In a longer game- I probably might not have done this - but I moved the 4th ID and pretty much smashed the German paras. I used the 101st and about 1 rgt of the 4th ID to take out the remaining VP emplacements along the Beaches.
@Gold Juno - I was able to link up pretty early on - and decided to get inland - and made Bayeaux my goal (since it did not appear I would get there from Omaha) ... finally took that the last turn of the game. Also was able to get most of the areas in the general vicinity of Bayauex.
Threatened Caen - but was not really too into being drawn into an urban battle in a 20 turn scenario -although if this went on for another 2 days I might have taken a pretty sizeable chunk out of the town. The British mortat units when concentrated can be pretty horrific. I think Joao must have had some delays getting reinforcements in that area - or some delay at the very least - as the big Panzers did not show up until later ... was able to take and keep Troarn about midway through the game - decided (uncharacteristically for me) to ignore the Germans facing the beach behind the paratroopers-- put enough defenders there to keep them from going anywhere -and dug in.
Somehow I managed to kill off more arty and vehicles than I lost -- lost over 16,000 men - however inflicted over 13,000 as well - lost 7 planes - and 2 pts naval.
Did some one say Kharkov might be next??? :/ ok gotta get my head into WW2 USSR - 1942 style -as it is definitely a different style of play (or rather I suck as a Russian :D )
Sounds OK with me Danny -as I know my Allied opponent is in the midst of a move -and we are not yet halfway done -it's only fair.
Joao and I just finished off our 2nd round match, -which we'd mostly had done before I went off on a 2 week vacation. I managed to get off the beaches on every beach -and learned a bit about chipping away at the strong points, with multiple attacks; whittling down opposition. IE It is a lot better doing 5 or 6 smaller attack than 1 or 2 big ones - once you get the defenders to a certain point. Also paying attention to the terrain on Omaha - I dunno if I was lucky - or it just worked out - but I concentrated on the draws - not wanting to go over the dikes. Getting the infantry defenders disrupted was more of a priority than the defending coastal arty (in the pill boxes). Isolating was also a good idea -as iirc that drops the defenders 1 morale factor -which doesn't hurt assaults.
I gave ground in the West with my 82nd pretty freely - as for some unknown reason I used to really care about cutting off the Cherbourg hiway early -but considering I never used it as the Germans much - I figured it was pretty pointless to have done so -- also there are no VP areas in the general vicinity -so falling back basically kept some Gerries occupied following me.
In a longer game- I probably might not have done this - but I moved the 4th ID and pretty much smashed the German paras. I used the 101st and about 1 rgt of the 4th ID to take out the remaining VP emplacements along the Beaches.
@Gold Juno - I was able to link up pretty early on - and decided to get inland - and made Bayeaux my goal (since it did not appear I would get there from Omaha) ... finally took that the last turn of the game. Also was able to get most of the areas in the general vicinity of Bayauex.
Threatened Caen - but was not really too into being drawn into an urban battle in a 20 turn scenario -although if this went on for another 2 days I might have taken a pretty sizeable chunk out of the town. The British mortat units when concentrated can be pretty horrific. I think Joao must have had some delays getting reinforcements in that area - or some delay at the very least - as the big Panzers did not show up until later ... was able to take and keep Troarn about midway through the game - decided (uncharacteristically for me) to ignore the Germans facing the beach behind the paratroopers-- put enough defenders there to keep them from going anywhere -and dug in.
Somehow I managed to kill off more arty and vehicles than I lost -- lost over 16,000 men - however inflicted over 13,000 as well - lost 7 planes - and 2 pts naval.
Did some one say Kharkov might be next??? :/ ok gotta get my head into WW2 USSR - 1942 style -as it is definitely a different style of play (or rather I suck as a Russian :D )
Steve,
If you don't mind my asking, what was the final VP total in your game against Joao? Kinda wondering what I need to do the last 5 turns of my match as Ike. :devious:
trauth116
20 Aug 05, 21:15
Sure - it was 6420 (disclaimer) -- ok I don't pbem that often -and the only scenarios I have ever been able to win are as the Allies in some sort of Normandy Landing scenario -- am not sure how good the AI is as Allied so I never played as the Germans. Hell - I got stomped the only other tournement I ever played over on Blitz- I suppose I ought to get out more (play more pbem games that is...)
Sure - it was 6420 (disclaimer) -- ok I don't pbem that often -and the only scenarios I have ever been able to win are as the Allies in some sort of Normandy Landing scenario -- am not sure how good the AI is as Allied so I never played as the Germans. Hell - I got stomped the only other tournement I ever played over on Blitz- I suppose I ought to get out more (play more pbem games that is...)
That's a major victory, and a pretty good one. I can get there, but I'll have to work for it.
Dave68124
05 Sep 05, 02:02
Danny - Please check your PM. Thanks,
Steve / Mini-Me - Check your emails. Finally got settled in Denver and shooting to finish up our games. Thanks for being patient during my move.
Dave
In seeing that some need more time, what is the concesus? Another week?
In seeing that some need more time, what is the concesus? Another week?
Yeah, another week would be helpful. I just got back in town and still have 4 turns left on my remaining game.
Alright, September 21st will be the final deadline.
Only 4 days left to the tournament.
KG_RangerBooBoo
17 Sep 05, 12:54
Finished my game with Printshop but haven't heard from Arnhem in weeks. Anyone else heard from him????
trauth116
17 Sep 05, 13:02
dunno if Dave will see this - but I had sent a turn to his work addr a couple of days ago but have not received a turn back ... am trying (but not to sure this one will get finished ... ) trying to be fair to everyone - have been busy - but have also been expediting my turns to ge them back as expeditiously as possible.
Dave68124
17 Sep 05, 23:25
Steve-
I sent a turn back to you last night, but was in New York all week in meetings. Since I am playing the Allies in our game, I would post whatever score we have at the time. With the relocation to Denver, life has jumped up and bit me in the ass over the last couple of months so I apologize to the tourney and my opponents for not getting all the way done.
trauth116
19 Sep 05, 10:54
Hey Dave :) not a problem in fact I had not seen my Gmail account that day - as I was in the hosp... but got to it and returned it Sunday. Will try to be as dilligent as possible.
Last day gentlemen. I will call it an end at 1900hrs EST. Get your results back to me even if the games aren't finished. Thanks
trauth116
21 Sep 05, 10:51
I won't finish our game- even if a turn is sent to me - as I don't get off from work until that time (I am not asking for more time).
I sent in my last turn (did not look at the vp total - not sure I can after sending it - will try) - it won't make a difference as far as awarding the tournement. I am pretty sure it was a German minor victory as of the end of my last turn ( it was turn 12) - Dave relocated and had some business stuff to attend to - and I had about 5 weeks off when I went to Australia anyway -if any special instructions are necessary - let me know.
Just go ahead and ship the prize my way. :devious:
Just kidding. I'm curious to see how everything ended up. Some mini-AARS discussing overall strategy and the flow of the battle would make for some interesting reading.
trauth116
21 Sep 05, 14:19
one thing I learned (or should have known from round one to round 2 as the Germans is that the Highway Bridge to Carentan is
1) a dumb idea to try to blow... (takes too long -- and the engineers are too exposed to get the job done in any event.
2) Can be more effectively covered by covering the minor bridges on either side - zoc's prevent the highway bridge from being used. I went through 12 turns without a breach - although it was getting pretty close to that when things stopped. But I think I could have bought a further turn or 2 for Carentan by screening the town from any advance (granted the screeners would be plastered... but it would have been about buying time.
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Arty - (Omaha area) --- if the Allies have anyone at all on the Beach -- -those need to be the priority targets - as generally defensive arty after the Americans get off the beaches is not nearly as effective as dropping some shots in on a congested beach area.
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6th AB (Brit) - I got bored -- I got the 21st Pz Div .... I was being mostly passive everywhere ... I attacked - and I took back about half of the VP areas they got upon dropping in. Paratroopers are not that resilient when faced with a gob of Panzer IVs - although I did get slowed down and was being very deliberate when faced with huge stacks (and they took pretty big losses to fire I think I was killing off about 30-50 trooper per stack (about 2 or 3 stacks) on average per turn just by firepower alone.
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When time ran out I was advancing the 12th SS to the NW of Caen to slow/stop the advance there - which was a pretty conservative move considering there are not that many VP areas around there.
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Also as a general rule every village I could find on any road that could be remotely used as an advance path ( the road to Bayeaux was a good example) - got troops - I did not expect to hold out - but the idea was to force damage to the road system to slow things down to a crawl... the soft conditions helped on Day 2 as well ( which ironically is what kept me from getting a major victory as an Allied player in round one -- as I nearly capped Isigny even so - I was only able to take on a few flak trucks with a tired out company (or was it battalion in round one).
Considering the only other tournement I had played in ( a Smolensk one) and I'd gotten stuffed big time) - this was not so bad . 1 major win, 2 minor wins, 1 major loss (that Danny got on the last turn or 2)
:smoke:
trauth116
21 Sep 05, 15:18
The Carentan Bridge thing is by no means foolproof - but it at least does force the opposition to be very organized with regards to Engineer useage for ferrying purposes. Nting that the Merderet there is not crossable except at the bridge.
OK she's done. I am still missing some results. Send them my way ASAP so I can declare a winner.
I'm still missing some results. Send them to me Guys....
OK the final scores for round 2:
eric vs birdgunner: Unknown
Pirimeister vs Printshop: draw 4326
Joao Lima vs trauth116: trauth116 6420
Dave68124 vs Mini-Me: Mini-Me 8288
Rangerbooboo vs arnhem: Unknown
JeferyLau vs dannybou: JeferyLau 2711
Mirror game:
Birdgunner vs Pirimeister: Birdgunner 2131
arnhem vs Eric Weider: Unknown
dannybou vs JeferyLau: JeferyLau ?????
Printshop vs Rangerbooboo: Draw 4476
Mini-Me vs Joao Lima: Mini-Me -1247
trauth116 vs Dave68124: trauth116 ?????
Check your scores. For those that haven't heard from your opponent, just advise me who was winning and I'll post it as that. I'll wait a few more days before declaring a winner and awarding out medals.
Don't forget to have the top player contact me! :cool:
lezgo killemall
24 Sep 05, 22:32
couple of questions.
do you know what/when your next tourney will be?
i noticed on a couple of the battles that guys hadnt finished by the deadline. when that happens do you at least finish it up or do you just quit it?
trauth116
25 Sep 05, 12:45
Dave will have to provide what the score is - as I did not look at the VPs right before sending it over. -as far as an overall winner it is a moot point though- as it won't impact that.
Don't forget to have the top player contact me! :cool:
For sure Rich. Someone will get a new France 40 title. :)
couple of questions.
do you know what/when your next tourney will be?
i noticed on a couple of the battles that guys hadnt finished by the deadline. when that happens do you at least finish it up or do you just quit it?
Next tourney: There will be another for sure. Let me wrap up this one and I'll start organizing the next one. As for a title, haven't decided yet but will take a game that most members have already.
Deadline: When the deadline is reached, then you report the score and who is winning at that time. But the battle continues since we report the games to the WARS ladder. :smoke:
Dave68124
26 Sep 05, 00:09
Dave will have to provide what the score is - as I did not look at the VPs right before sending it over. -as far as an overall winner it is a moot point though- as it won't impact that.
Steve-
I sent the file back to you late on the 18th. We were running at a draw at that point (Turn 14 I think). I was thinking, but probably did not communicate clearly, you would finish your turn and report that score up to Danny since the scoring did not end until the 21st.
Thanks,
Dave
Alright Folks
I am still missing some results, but will not wait any longer, therefore here is the final standing:
Wins Losses Draw
JeferyLau 3 1
Eric Weider 1 1
RangerBooBoo 2
Mini-Me 3 1
Arnhem 1 1
Dave68124 2 1 1
trauth116 2 1 1
dannybou 2 2
Joao Lima 0 4
Pirimeister 1 2 1
Birdgunner 1 2
Printshop 1 1 2
So we have a tie for the winner: JeferyLau and Mini-Me are tied at 3 wins and 1 losses. Now, based on the scores of the games:
Mini-Me: 1815, 8288 and -1247
JeferyLau: 1352, 2711 and no results for his last game with me but he was in the 6000 range as the Allied player and about 4 turns left.
I therefore declare:
Mini-Me the winner!!!!!!!!! :bounce: :hurray: :banana:
Mini-Me: Contact Rahamy for your prize.
Alright guys, now that this tourney is over, I will assign medals to all who participated. Now time to prepare for the next one. I will start a new thread to reflect the second tournament.
Woo-hoo!!!!
:hurray: :banana: :coolban: :rifle: :bounce:
Great tournament - I can't wait for the next one!
trauth116
26 Sep 05, 15:27
Ok got what happened figured out - hey Dave I'd not sent that turn to your work email -well I resent it to both addresses - apologize for the confusion.
We can go by that result if you like... but I forgot what the exact total was at that point -- the email will have a date on it as to the original sent date - as well as the attachment will have the date saved.
Jefferylau
26 Sep 05, 16:35
Feel bad that I did not finish my last game ..got pretty tie up with the heavy workload ...
Congrats to Mini - Me ...
Hmmm..do runnerup get some prize as well ? .... :)
Cheers
No but you get a medal for finishing second place....
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