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If Second Battle for france is well tested, I search for other tester for "opération lion de mer 2004",
OG Loc is still on the ranks but others testers are welcome to go on testing process, too.
Chuck still interested ?.
As will be unreachable in next coming days feel free too organise it between you
I'll post here the scenario link http://www.warfarehq.com/archives/showthread.php?t=630
Take care it is no more a WWII scenario you have to use intensively your Airmobile and Airborne units.
Thanks for your help.
Der WanderTOAWAssistant
P.S.:Remeber testing offer Ladder points but you have provide good reports, global analysis and if possibel an AAR
OK, I can help test this as well. Just let me know when to start.
Friends,
I really insist on helping me to test this scenario which is part of the next tournament. Doing so you will waranty other players a fluent tournamant run.
At now May the 12, I have my old friend Chuck with me, we will begin to test ASAP. OG Loc will enter the fight too. But I need "virgin eyes" to fight together without having the knowledge I got during conception and testings. Experimented players are really welcome as they know the tricks of the game
For those who will enter the testing process there will be Ladders points awarded more if good scenario analysis and ARR are made.
Testers me included will publish here their 1st impressions, their request for comments, problems their encountered and their help request.
Thanks in Advance.
Der WanderTOAWAssistant
Allez va!
Count me in (preferably as EU but it doesn't matter that much) and rest assured I'll cast a virgin eye on all this... :)
If OG loc agree there will be
Chuck UK/US against me as EU
Chuck EU against OG loc UK/US
OG Loc as US/UK against me as EU player
Please feel free to enter the dance
Der WanderNEXTTOURNAMENTCoordinator
Allez va!
Count me in (preferably as EU but it doesn't matter that much) and rest assured I'll cast a virgin eye on all this... :)
Yeepee, who want to fight the Great Nemo ???
Who will restrain his fear ???
Come on young fellows and fight our Champion
Der WanderBattler
Status
Chuck UK/US against me as EU
Chuck EU against OG loc UK/US
OG Loc as US/UK against me as EU player
Nemo EU against ?????
Der WanderCoordinator
Yeepee, who want to fight the Great Nemo ???
Who will restrain his fear ???
Come on young fellows and fight our Champion
Der WanderBattlerYou might be under a false impression of my abilities Jean-Luc - or you're a very bad salesman :p
You might be under a false impression of my abilities Jean-Luc - or you're a very bad salesman :p
Second option could be right as I'm not abble to sell myself to a boss:cry:
Der WanderStillJobLess:confused:
That's fine, But I must admit that I'll be free for a game only by June 10th...got some exams (satanée Licence d'Histoire :dead: )
Nemo EU against ?????
Der WanderCoordinatorLooks like I've found a partner/victim/executioner. I'll be playing this out with Pierre (Viridomaros) as Coalition player if you don't mind.
Looks like I've found a partner/victim/executioner. I'll be playing this out with Pierre (Viridomaros) as Coalition player if you don't mind.
Marc et Pierre si vous pouvez essayez de faire une partie croisée, ca vous aidera pour le tournoi hé hé
Der WanderCoordinator
Status on the 13th of May
Chuck UK/US against me as EU, 1st Turn is running
"Chuck EU against OG loc UK/US /// OG Loc as US/UK against me as EU player" not before end of OG Loc Examination ( 10th of June)
Nemo EU against Viridomaros Coalition
and if they accept it Nemo Coalition against Viridomaros EU
Der WanderCoordinator
Marc et Pierre si vous pouvez essayez de faire une partie croisée, ca vous aidera pour le tournoi hé hé
Der WanderCoordinator Fugit irreparabile... J'en doute.
I doubt we'll be able to make a mirror match - time would be too much of a constraint on my side.
Fugit irreparabile... J'en doute.
I doubt we'll be able to make a mirror match - time would be too much of a constraint on my side.
y'en a pas de problèmes
If both of you need help you know my Hotmail link :D
Der WanderCoordinator
Operation UGH has begun! :p
April 2nd, 2004
[...] Yesterday, amphibious, airbourne and airmobile assault forces of the EU have crossed the Channel and swept accross southern England. The dispirited coalition troops didn't oppose but light resistance to the EU advance. Folkestone, Brighton, Portsmouth, Southampton, Bristol, Cardiff, Birmingham, Manchester, Kingston-upon-Hull and the southern approaches to London are under European command.
Reinforcements are pouring through EU landing zones as armoured and mechanised spearheads resume their advance northwards [...]
Secret Agent
16 May 05, 11:14
Operation UGH has begun! :p
Sounds like SBF in reverse! :D
Sounds like SBF in reverse! :DNah, wrong guess, try better! ;)
Sounds like SBF in reverse! :D
Ohhhhh you are sure ?
Down the goddom, Hastings 2004 again
Der WanderJohanneOfArchRevenge
Secret Agent
16 May 05, 22:17
Ohhhhh you are sure ?
Down the goddom, Hastings 2004 again
Der WanderJohanneOfArchRevenge
Huh? :confused: I said it sounded like Second Battle for France, reversed (i.e. the Coalition is losing, the French are winning). ;)
Huh? :confused: I said it sounded like Second Battle for France, reversed (i.e. the Coalition is losing, the French are winning). ;)Oh, I thought you were talking about the acronym.
Secret Agent
17 May 05, 08:53
I thought SBF was the commonly accepted acronym for Second Battle for France! ;)
I thought SBF was the commonly accepted acronym for Second Battle for France! ;)It is indeed. I thought you were talking about the 'UGH' acronym compared to the 'SBF' one - and not about the game situation.
Will we ever understand each other? :nuts: ;)
Turn 4 update:
EU airbourne and airmobile bridgeheads have all fallen but Manchester to Coalition superior forces.
From London, now completely liberated, EU armoured and mechanized forces rush northwards to link up with the battling remnants of the first wave assault.
French 2e Brigade Blindée is on the outskirts of Bristol to relieve the hard-pressed 11e Brigade Parachutiste.
A combined German-Dutch-French force is besieging Leeds.
While EU light troops are suffering at the hands of British and U.S. heavy armour, U.S. Marines recklessly engaged south of Leeds have learned the hard way what it costs to engage without support Leopard II and Leclerc outfits.
EU reinforcements keep pouring in through the Channel tunnel while lots of U.S. armour and mechanized infantry with supporting units have been spotted in Scotland, heading south. Should make for an interesting clash very soon.
JLB European Against Chuck Coalition
Air fights: tried to eradicate all air units on great britain island, along with destruction of all bridges which permit quick reinforcements by Scottish based US units
Turn 1 South england
See map,
Spain units in red tried to protect southern front where attacks are managed by Dutch Airmobile and Belgium commandos
French light brigades landed west of isle of wight
German brigade attack in direction of Gog Magog Hills/Ipswich
Der WanderGeneralOberst
Now look at north east area
As you can see
1st) I run an Airborne assault round Newcastle upon tyne. I tried to surround the corps assets garrisonned here
2nd) I launch 2 landing in middlesborrow and Kingston upon hull.
What is vital for me now is to link the 2 north land area to the the one of kingston as it is the only one with supply point.
Capture done, I have one turn more for sea and air reinforcements
Der WanderGeneralOberst
Air war rage but the EU air shock has disapeared, now forces fight on their true valours.
I continue to destroy bridges and attack airfields
2 French heavy brigades landed in southampton and move north, same with the 2 light brigades.
They encounter few fights as Chuck move his units north to create a kernel round western approaches harbours.
Spanish and Belgium forces took London, the Chunnel area is now delivered from UK units, rail repair crew enter in action to repair ASAP the rail network
Der WanderGeneralOberst
The V corps units and some UK units are nearly destroyed round Newcastle
As many harbours and town have been taken the Coalition force supply level must be drasticaly lowered but only Chuck knows the right value.
The landing of reinforcements along with the link of the three beach head permits me to destroy local units and to push westward. The Spanish Airborne are screening the Newcastle fights
For the german Panzer and Panzer grenadier Brigade direction leeds
Der WanderGeneralOberst
I will jump to turn 4 explaination as soon as I will receive Chuck turn 4, eh, eh,
Wait and see, but I let you see the reinforcements ready to enter the chunnel
Der WanderGeneralOberst
Gargl I'm expoded !!
Chuck turn 5 will come Tomorow as I need to go at the social organism which gave me my unemployment benefits, in the aim to justify my job research and I have to prepare a full directory of papers etc....., if I can't convince them I will lost them and I will be naked!!!
Der WanderFearedScaredetc....
Turn 5: Airmobile Drop
Well done, I wait your turn 5 with impatience
Der WanderAstonishedPlayer
Well done, I wait your turn 5 with impatience
Der WanderAstonishedPlayer
I sent it already. Have you still not gotten it? :hmmm:
I sent it already. Have you still not gotten it? :hmmm:
No sorry not received,try again please
Der WanderWaiting
Me, Turenne as "Perfide Albion" fight against Constantin as "The good boy" in Lion de Mer.
Me, Turenne as "Perfide Albion" fight against Constantin as "The good boy" in Lion de Mer.
Have fun both of you
Der WanderTOAWAssistant
London still brit.
Air force fly in the north.
defensive line on Birmingham
wait for reinforcements on T3
Ennemy paratroopers on the north of Birmingham
God save the Queen
Might be too late for JLB's testing, but I've exchanged e-mails with KillorbeKilled, and he has shown interest in playing.
I'd liked to play as US/UK, it looks like they have the toughest job! :flag:
I do need the latest version of the scenario though and any "readme's".
#Jean-Luc, my SBF game is stalled out. Been waiting a long time for a Kilroy move. We are on T8.
JoeBob :salute:
Hi Friends
With Chuck, we are now on the opening of turn 10, I will post soon the AAR for turns 5 to 9, be patient.
Small abstract Birmingham is under attack, leeds was taken as long as Bristol. I can reasonably declare that 50% of Uk is under EU control. :whist:
The actual status is EU significant defeat, Enemy rate loss 109 Friendly rate loss 59
more details to come.....:devil:
Faithfully
Der WanderScenarioDesigner
Playing turn 12 with Pierre.
Enemy held objectives: 480
Enemy loss penalty: 133
Friendly held objectives: 520
Friendly loss penalty: 53
Victory level: 120 (draw)
EU forces hold a Cardiff (excludive) - Leeds - Middlesborough (exclusive) line while clinging to Manchester and Holyhead. On my right, armoured and mechanized forces are clashing head-on but I still have enough fresh units to try a fix-flank maneuver on my left. Now you're warned Pierre - not that you didn't notice what was going on didn't you? ;)
Time allowing, I might put up an AAR sometime before going on vacation in August - but don't consider this a firm commitment :whist:
Hi Friends
With Chuck, we are now on the opening of turn 10, I will post soon the AAR for turns 5 to 9, be patient.
Small abstract Birmingham is under attack, leeds was taken as long as Bristol. I can reasonably declare that 50% of Uk is under EU control. :whist:
The actual status is EU significant defeat, Enemy rate loss 109 Friendly rate loss 59
more details to come.....:devil:
Faithfully
Der WanderScenarioDesigner
I am increasingly worried about the poor British. The turn will be turned around ASAP.
I am increasingly worried about the poor British. The turn will be turned around ASAP.
British are not so poor, it is the defense mode which must be in depth, I attacked with heavy forces and the tanks defense values are low, they must be stacked with engineers of Infantry or sometimes as tactical reserve for making counter attacks as they are stronger in attacks.
It is no more 2nd WW. that's I tried to explain in the word document I posted in the 2nd Battle for France Thread.
- Tanks are crap in defense but brillant in attack
- The airmobiles units offer the 3rd dimension.
- Engineers with tanks are more effective in defense,
But Infantry is still the Queen/King (French/English) of defense in battlefield, with good AT missiles and AT+ squads, entrench them in 2 lines and hell begin for attackers as quickly Tanks become exhausted and need to rest and recover or worst evaporates ( saw that often in my own scenario testing).
I used mass attacks to overrun defense if I do one or to units attacks I would not be abble to face your coming US counter attacks.
French in Snd Battle for France are not crap too but ask other testers they are mauled quickly if not well entrenched and defending in depth, and here the US/Uk airborne and airmobiles are really pesky ones. And if i recall well you used them fairly well in the UK north front :cry:
Regards to all of you friends
Der WanderUKInvader
Might be too late for JLB's testing, but I've exchanged e-mails with KillorbeKilled, and he has shown interest in playing.
I'd liked to play as US/UK, it looks like they have the toughest job! :flag:
I do need the latest version of the scenario though and any "readme's".
#Jean-Luc, my SBF game is stalled out. Been waiting a long time for a Kilroy move. We are on T8.
JoeBob :salute:
The readme of SBF is also valid for OPLM (if you find a better acronym tell me !:D)
As the second is the symetric of the 1st
Der WanderComplicatedBrain
The air war seems to be giving me my biggest problem right now. Maybe on turn 10 I can get something in the air to contest your fighters.
The air war seems to be giving me my biggest problem right now. Maybe on turn 10 I can get something in the air to contest your fighters.
As French in SBF protect your air units until reinforcements came, and remove them from Great Britain Airbases as EU player has the right to attack them there. But in Norway or Ulster or small islands the EU player can't lead direct attacks.
Problem with Eu player is, except French airplanes, that there are no replacements as most the planes are US ones or no more produced.
So EU units losts are losts forever, it is not the case for US units
Got your turn 9, I will open it in few minutes :D
Der WanderBirminghamSurrounded
JLB vs CHUCK
TURN 5
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In All fronts I try to enlarge to the maximum the conquest of British territory.
My main concern will be come from the 2 US division in the north. I try to establish a defensive line with the help of the river Tweed.
I hope to cut Scotland from rest of great britain but I'm too optimistic
From Leeds the German troops try to to drive back the US Marines, and if possiblre to reach Manchester.
but at least to conquer as much as possible of the Pennines mountain range to avoid Coalition forces to entrench there and so blocking all possible breakthrough.
in the south east it is the race to Birmingham and the destruction of retreating UK units.
To be continued
Der WanderTOAWAssistant
JLB vs CHUCK
TURN 6
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I was right for the North Chuck did a great manouver with the 52nd Light Brigade.
He cut all my supply lines, I've too reconsider my initial plan and stay on a defensive mode. To avoid a possible surrounding, I moved south 2 Btn by helicopter to establish a longer defensive line
I need too to move by helicopters too, some Spanish and German airbornes units to restore a supply line, by obliging the UK airmobile to retreat.
In leeds area, I continue to drive back the US marines through the Pennines
In south East I begin to close in on Birmingham.
To be continued
Der WanderGuderian
JLB vs CHUCK
TURN 7
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North is in full defensive situation, I saw US units moving to the Pennines, I decided to slow down them by making 3 blocking points in their path with 2 French Airbornes bataillon and a Dutch Marines Bn, again helicopters here are doing great job.
2 others Dutch Marines bataillon are protecting the southern part of the North Front
In Leeds area, the USMC units are driven back by German attacks but UK units are arriving to reinforce them, Manchester is no more a short time objective.
Near Birmingham the wave of EU reinforcement arrive, I will be abble to launch the Birmingham assault soon. But Chuck send Airmobiles troops against the German PzrGnd Brigade 21,
I send a French Btn and some dutchs units to avoid surrounding and to create a breakthrough.
To avoid any Chuck inclinaison to enlarge his bulge, I put a screen of Spanish airmobiles units
To be continued
Der WanderVonManstein:whist:
JLB vs CHUCK
TURN 8
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Things are going bad in North, the western defensive front is broken, I try desesperatly to restablish a defense line, using the helicopters units themselves.
Others bad news the 101 Airborne enter the fight.
Leeds Front, I try to create a defense line on the eastern part of the Pennines, I continue to attack on south, one french airbornez btn has evaporated, the other is isolated.
Ahh bad news again the 35th Infantry division is in order to enter the battle too. My decision to hold the attacks seems to be the correct one.
In the Birmingham bulge all UK units are on contact with EU troops, on north I saw a gap where German Panzer could breakthrough. The 2 Belgium brigades took position south of the town itself.
The USMC airborne units are severely counter attacked, the german 21 brigade is no more in danger.
I send 2 spanish bataillon to highlight the attacks of European Fighters bombers against UK airfields
To be continued
Der WanderRommel
JLB vs CHUCK
TURN 9
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Situation for north front became dramatic, if relief troops don't arrive quickly, it will collapse and let US forces to move south.
Alreasdy 2 infantry bataillons have been surrounded and destroyed, the other troops are wear out, supply level is very low.
Next turn will be crucial.
In leeds front, the Belgium units are transported by helicopters to the north, it will permit to avoid full destruction of the French bataillon, by the way it is an Uk engineer bataillon which is isolated now.
German relief are on the way to strenghen the front.
In South east, the UK troops are wear out Birmingham is surrounded, lot of British troops have destroyed. Two bridgehead have established in the northern bank of the Severn river, invasion of Wales in on the march.
To be continued
Der WanderVonKleist:D
JLB vs CHUCK
TURN 10
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On North front, I was obliged to move in emergency the Belgium airmobile unit to avoid the colapse of the front, the relief troops are arriving, Dutchs, Spanish and Germans.
The dutchs December division and Spanish Brunete division will probably help to reopen the ofensive toward scotland. I hope to be abble to let Airmobile and airbornes units on rest for a while.
On Leeds front, most of units are in defensive mode now.
Hell is for Brits in the south east front, Birmingham is lost, French are crossing the Severn and move toward Wales
But the best is have a look to the general UK map I joined here
Der WanderWanderer
At now, I'm waiting for Chuck turn 11.
Next report will be oriented on the air war by itself, and its importance in the scenario
Hold the line
Der WanderTOAWAssistant:D
I have not received the turn yet (no this is not a stalling tactic).
I have not received the turn yet (no this is not a stalling tactic).
I Send it again now
Der WanderBoredByMailsystem
WARNING FOR BETA TESTERS
I found a location coordinates error in OPLM Manchester is defined in events engine at location 33,79 rather than 33,75. So do not attack this place unitl you took Manchester, and same for opponent if Manchester is taken evacuate this location,
Der WanderBuggedSorry:o
viridomaros
04 Aug 05, 16:49
WARNING FOR BETA TESTERS
I found a location coordinates error in OPLM Manchester is defined in events engine at location 33,79 rather than 33,75. So do not attack this place unitl you took Manchester, and same for opponent if Manchester is taken evacuate this location,
Der WanderBuggedSorry:o
hmmm sounds like a good trick to save my game against nemo :p
hmmm sounds like a good trick to save my game against nemo :pToo late Pierre! Did you check the news for turn 14? Your PM has just resigned, which is all he ever deserved... :laugh:
WARNING FOR BETA TESTERS
I found a location coordinates error in OPLM Manchester is defined in events engine at location 33,79 rather than 33,75. So do not attack this place unitl you took Manchester, and same for opponent if Manchester is taken evacuate this location,
Der WanderBuggedSorry:oActually, I had the Manchester City hex occupied for a couple of turns by an airmobile unit, without any significant news string marking that feat, much to my dismay :whist:
It's only on turn 13 that I conquered 33,79 - my 1er Régiment d'infanterie de marine is happily sitting on it right now.
That said, some game configurations will make it very hard not to get at 33,79 before occupying Manchester itself. If the EU player is coming full-steam from Birmingham, that'll be impracticable. Besides, when you're in contact and a melee has occured, placidly vacating an hex is not an option. I'd suggest players ignore the bug altogether.
Too late Pierre! Did you check the news for turn 14? Your PM has just resigned, which is all he ever deserved... :laugh:
Oh good, at least am I not alone in being unable to stop the EU sledge hammer.
Please accept all my apologizes for this Manchester coordinates bug, it is corrected and will work properly for the great Tournament.
I will post soon aar from turn 10 to 15, the fall of "Great Britain"
but Chuck is resisting fine, Manchester will be under control not before 4 or 5 turns, but before that Scotland and Wales will be mine !!!!
Der WanderGenghisBetinKahn:nuts:
JLB :
Can you change the title of the 2-6 Infantry Btn / 2 Br-1 Arm Div in 2-6 Armored Btn / 2 Br-1 Arm Div ?
Courage JLB.
THX.
JLB :
Can you change the title of the 2-6 Infantry Btn / 2 Br-1 Arm Div in 2-6 Armored Btn / 2 Br-1 Arm Div ?
Courage JLB.
THX.
OK will be done soon, I saw too some other problems with Helicopters icons.
Same designer shoot again
Merci, oh look at your é of Diversité, it looks little chineese :D
You enjoy this scénario ?
Der WanderFaireEtDéfaireC'estToujoursFaire
look at your é of Diversité, it looks little chineese :D
You enjoy this scénario ?
YES, and I cannot change é !
and re Yes, I like it ! Invage England... Drive on the right with my Leclerc and so on...
YES, and I cannot change é !
and re Yes, I like it ! Invage England... Drive on the right with my Leclerc and so on...
Take London As Fast As Possible
Der WanderTrafalgarSquareWillBecomeParisSquare
I have the regreat to inform you that on turn 22 the Queen order her Prime Mnister to engage Peace talks with European Union
coalition forces are defeated.
It was costly but EU was right in engaging a surprise assault
Full AAR to come soon
Der WanderHappy
I have the regreat to inform you that on turn 22 the Queen order her Prime Mnister to engage Peace talks with European Union
coalition forces are defeated.
It was costly but EU was right in engaging a surprise assault
Full AAR to come soon
Der WanderHappy
I will finish my AAR soon. It was a poor effort by the Coalition, long live the European Union. :hail:
Turn 19: the dreadful helicopter bug strikes again :angry:
It turns out HQ 6th Marines was hovering (what an idea) over hex 12,74 right on top of a friendly stack of air units. I'll let you guess the result: cliking through the stack, I got control of the opposite side when I selected the still embarked unit. The trickiest part is that this unit evaporated when selected, so I don't even have a way back to the EU side now...:whist:
Turn 19: the dreadful helicopter bug strikes again :angry:
It turns out HQ 6th Marines was hovering (what an idea) over hex 12,74 right on top of a friendly stack of air units. I'll let you guess the result: cliking through the stack, I got control of the opposite side when I selected the still embarked unit. The trickiest part is that this unit evaporated when selected, so I don't even have a way back to the EU side now...:whist:
Ouais ouais ouais c'est sq'on dit hummmf.:censored:
Dear Nemo you have just to replay the turn :help1:have fun !!!:cry:
On my own I don't remeber to have it during the testing with Chuck.
But I saw it too with SBF
Amuse toi bien mon canard
Der WanderUnBugCaUseCaUseLeClavier:whist:
Chuck has posted a full AAR concerning our game at http://www.strategyzoneonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27684Do not hesitate to read it and to post comments in the tournament sub-forum
Der WanderTOAWAssistant
Chuck has posted a full AAR concerning our game at http://www.strategyzoneonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27684Do not hesitate to read it and to post comments in the tournament sub-forum
Der WanderTOAWAssistant
It might be a good idea for you to post some of your statistics so they can be compared to mine.
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