which to get H3? or wait for HC2005?

[Ivan Rapkinov]

pretty much like the topic says...

I have HC97 and H2 (yippee!), and am looking at getting back into the Harpoon thang, but I'm not sure which to get.

I preferred HC97 over H2, so my immediate prefernce is to wait for HC2005 - not going to have enough time for a while, so waiting is no biggie.

But H3 seems to have the more thriving community?

anyhoo, any adivce would be appreciated :)

[HercMighty]

I tried both and settled on H3.

It was the one that I felt most comfortable with and liked.

[Scully]

Hey Ivan

Like HercMighty, I also purchased H3 and really enjoy the game.

Here are a couple of links to other threads on the issue:

http://www.war-forums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=270133&postcount=2
http://www.war-forums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23290
http://www.war-forums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14211

While I haven't followed the HC community too closely, I don't think it's accurate to say that it's less thriving. I believe, and I'm sure some of the HC guys will provide more detail, that HC is very alive and well and very active.

I think you can download demos of both to see which you prefer. Either way, I think you'll find it a worthwhile purchase.

Take care,
Brian

[HercMighty]

If my perceptions are correct HC2005 + H3 should = TNH

If this is correct it just goes to show that both have their good and bad sides. Hopefully joining the good from both to make the new. Also isn't HC2005 have a lot in common with the current version? I realize there are some changes coming (Don't know what they are) but couldn't you play the current demo and have a really good idea as to what HC2005 will be like?

[Ivan Rapkinov]

well, let me make it easier... ;)

which one better simulates littoral warfare? (as that is my main interest) And/Or which has the better Aussie stuff? :D

[VCDH]

If my perceptions are correct HC2005 + H3 should = TNH

Correct
:)

Later
D

Dale Hillier
AGSI RD&T
Harpoint Admin

http://www3.nf.sympatico.ca/daleh/avatars/vcdh.jpg

[Herman Hum]

well, let me make it easier... ;)

which one better simulates littoral warfare? (as that is my main interest) And/Or which has the better Aussie stuff? :D
What do you want to see in littoral warfare?

Both have diesel subs, aircraft, and land targets. HC has some Mobile Land Units [MLUs] but that is probably not a major factor. Both simulate water depths. Both have databases built by the community.

The HCDB is for Harpoon Classic and it has a platform call the Littoral Combat Ship. Don't know about the Harpoon 3 database or the Db2000.

Both H3 and HCG have the ability to 'simulate', basically, amphibious landings but might not be as detailed as other games. i.e. you 'fire' SEALs like ammunition instead launching them and then commanding them as a team/unit

Does that help?

[Edit]Try this link for additional Harpoon Classic Gold and Harpoon 3 discussion
http://www.war-forums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8427&page=2&pp=15

[Sunburn]

Get both. Why miss out on either?

[HercMighty]

Did you ever take the plunge? H3? HC2005 or both?

Regards

[Reckall]

Generally speaking, I always felt that Harpoon Classic (the 2002/2005 series) was slightly more "operational" in feel and scope. The rules and the things to learn are a little simpler, but this allows for bigger scenarios. For some reason, I always put HC near the old "Fleet Series" of boardgames by Victory Games - at least for the "operational" feel.

H3 is more tactical in scope and size of scenarios, and needs a slightly better understanding of modern naval warfare. In H3 you can "see" things that in HC are more abstracted.

Overall I have them both and like them both. It is a matter of taste. If you are familiar with the Campaign Series, a good comparison could be HC ---> CS, H3 ---> Combat Mission or Steel Panthers.

[VCDH]

I have both but as you've probably guessed (duuuh), I've settled on H3 as well. My main reason is that the DB is capable of a little more detail than the HC one. For the DB I maintain (ADB) I try to stick as close to H4 rules as possible. This is a little more labor intensive because the H3 DB uses numberical values for cross section whereas the HC DBs use the standard H4 ratings (loud, noisy, quiet, etc). At least IIRC they do (HC guys please correct me if needed).

As a result H3 DBs have to figure out a sonar model using baselines of platforms and sonars. Which can be a little time consuming.

But it's really all a manner of conjecture depending on what you are used to.

Later
D

Dale Hillier
AGSI RD&T
Harpoint Admin

http://www3.nf.sympatico.ca/daleh/avatars/vcdh.jpg

[TonyE]

Actually the Radar, ECM, and Sonar models in newer HC releases have much wider range of input values. While HC still only has one RCS value rather than multiple RCS values, the game is not restricted to the Harpoon paper sizes.



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