Odd!

[Mantis]

Splitting a unit drops it's proficiency substantially.

So look at this:

[Mantis]

And this one, after I joined them back together:

[Tiberius]

I wonder if splitting sometimes leads to a downward spiral? Or if there is a bug in proficiency calculations when they are so low?
2% !!! :dead:

[MikeJ]

Makes sense to me?

You split them and they all lose some proficiency. You add them together and the average is now lower so when recombined the unit has a lower proficiency...

What's odd about it?

Btw, 2% proficiency has to be a record.

You seem to hold a lot of records around here Mantis :D.

[Chuck?]

Maybe the thinking is with such a low proficiency as a corps, the units would perform better as divisions.

[JAMiAM]

Integer rounding.

[JAMiAM]

Units lose 20% proficiency when they are split into sub units.

When recombined, the weighted average of the individual pieces is taken and multiplied by 1.25 to nominally regain the original unit proficiency.

What were the proficiencies of the other sub units that were recombined?

[Siberian HEAT]

In EA the army of East Africa is crap anyways...so this is not the best example.

2 of crap, is still crap. :D

[Mantis]

lol, you've got me there, Brian!

The unit was 2% prior to splitting, 3 when split, and back to 2 when recombined. That's what made it odd enough for me to post it.

Mike -> That's the way it works, but the odd thing is this unit has a higher proficiency when split. And these are Ethiopian Italians, they all suck. And, actually, 3% isn't too bad for these guys! ;)

[Chuck?]

Originally posted by JAMiAM
Units lose 20% proficiency when they are split into sub units.

When recombined, the weighted average of the individual pieces is taken and multiplied by 1.25 to nominally regain the original unit proficiency.


Yes but how does 2 - (2 * .20) = 3?

[JAMiAM]

C'mon folks...the answer is bloody obvious and staring you right in the faces. Think of what I said before. It is the average of the individual sub units times 1.25.

Look at the readiness levels, supply and weights.

The unit was broken down, into thirds. Assuming a 1-2% proficiency in the first place for the base unit, each of the sub units then had at best 1-2% for their initial proficiencies. I'm assuming 1%, since these are the Italian East Africa units in EA that we're talking about. The sub unit showing 3% proficiency was in a combat (notice the lower supply rate, readiness, and weight of less than 1/3 of the parent unit).

Then, after a couple of rounds of combat, it had gained combat experience which boosted its proficiency to 3%. (Probably a couple of Mantis' famous min loss/ limited attacks, by the looks of it)

Then, recombined with the other two sub units, which were still at 1% proficiency, and likely close to 100% supply, the recombined unit had a proficiency of

1.25[2*(.01)+1*(.03)]/3 = 1.25(.05)/3 = 1.25(.0166) = .02075, rounding to 2%

Elementary, my dear Watson.

[Fading Captain]

I was about to post the very same formula, but JAM beat me to it. :lier:

[General Staff]

Sorry for delay in posting here, but this actually brought tears to my eyes ( :cry: ) as I recalled the exploits of the 3rd/II/15th Company of the Italian 55th Regiment, originally posted south of Halfaya in Crusader 41.

After surviving a tremendous beating during the initial CW arty bombardment and advance that saw it down to 1 of everything- 1 Rifle Squad, 1 47mm AT Gun, 1 HMG, 1 81mm Mortar all carried in 1 Truck- it 'came to' (as it were) trapped north of Sollum.

In a daring (and successful) counterattack in conjunction with elements of 1/5 Panzer to retake Sollum the unit escaped and was 'adopted' by the Panzer unit, with which it fought until the conclusion of the operation. By this time its proficiency had risen to an almost superhuman 92% (from an original 48%).

Not only this, but a slow intake of replacements brought the unit back up to strength without diluting its 92% proficiency- an amazing testimonial to the courage and tenacity of the original members of the unit. Salute! ( :hail: )

[Mantis]

Cool!

I'm working on pulling off just such a feat, if Kraut's Brits are willing... :devious:

[General Staff]

Just while I have it, here's a 100% US Tank Unit from Clervaux in the Ardennes (1944):

[Tiberius]

Those are two bad ass tanks! They aughta be able to take on a few panthers.

[JAMiAM]

Originally posted by Tiberius
Those are two bad ass tanks! They aughta be able to take on a few panthers.

Nah...if you look carefully, they're M4/75's. Not the dreaded M4/76's.

[General Staff]

Originally posted by Tiberius
Those are two bad ass tanks! They aughta be able to take on a few panthers. They have already actually. They didn't work their way up to 100% sitting around sniffing diesel. A new firing technique helps- ricocheting shells off an icy surface (frozen river say) tends to negate the Panther's armour advantage.