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Hi TOAW players,
The so often annouced EURO North America tournament is under its way.
And I'm proud to offer the 2 scenarios (may be 3 if I worked very hard) which will be the basement of this new TOAW tournament.
To avoid any surprise during the tournament, I need some nice fellows to deeply look at them and perform PBEM testings
So volunteers are needed.
I will send them the following
"The Second battle for France" february 2005 release, "Opération lion de mer 2004" february 2005 release, and the modified word document on Hints and Tips about the scenarii
I wait for you Gents
Der WanderScenariiMaker
Hi jlbetin.
I'm volunteer to test your scenarios.
Hi jlbetin.
I'm volunteer to test your scenarios.
you are the 1st, I'll post the scenarii and game topic in word format within one or 2 days.
Merci
Der WanderTOAWAssistant
OK. I wait for your scenarii and game topic.
bye
If you want test results where every unit is used to the brink of destruction - count me in :devil:
If you want test results where every unit is used to the brink of destruction - count me in :devil:
You say that as if there was any other way to play... ;)
I'd be interested in checking out the scenario, JL. However, my games are going slowly enough as it is, and I won't be able to actually pbem it with anyone. You can get my email address from the ladder, or the tourney page. Or, use the built in forum feature to email me, from my profile page.
Excellent! Three so far, and James offering to take a peek. That's a good start!
We could still use more people, boys! These scenarios are going to form the basis of the next tourney here at TOAW HQ, so let's all pitch in where we can to lend a hand. It's difficult to host tournies with custom made scenarios, so we really need some assistance to make the experience a good one for the whole community!
:D
I'd be interested in checking out the scenario, JL. However, my games are going slowly enough as it is, and I won't be able to actually pbem it with anyone. You can get my email address from the ladder, or the tourney page. Or, use the built in forum feature to email me, from my profile page.
I will be able to post the Final "Second battle for France" tonight, I did a lot of enhancement in units and map.
Der WanderSleeptooLate
Gents here is the File post, I put it here the final version of 2nd Battle for France
1st have a look on it, then try to find an opponent to test it, as today the 02/11, very few have answered, and I continue on Operation Lion de Mer 2004 and Global brieffing
Edition of the 18/05/2005
I just upload the Version 2 of Second battle for France with a corrected txt file and the associated bmp graphic file
Download them test them and please chose a sparing partner and test them.
Both of them are in the WARS ladder system
Der WanderTOAWTournamentAssistant
I'd be willing to test, but I can't start for another week and a half, probably - I've got to get caught up on my current games, plus I'll be with very little 'Net access until next Sunday...
Gen_Electric
11 Feb 05, 23:48
I'll give it a go. Anybody wants an easy one, holler.
viridomaros
12 Feb 05, 05:19
what about playing me general ? :)
Gen_Electric
12 Feb 05, 10:28
what about playing me general ? :)
Okay, let me know details. e-mail in profile.
Looking for the readme or word doc file. A lot of info in this scenario to digest.
Final version of Opération Lion de mer is delivered
Please test them
Der WanderTOAWAssistant
Bdr.Mallette
17 Feb 05, 21:08
JL, is your spelling better in the scenario?
lol, just kidding man.
Je comprends.
I'm up for a test match.
I'm testing my scenario too so I understand the situation.
:smoke:
I would like to volunteer. Use my services at your own risk :laugh:
Need a Euro to pound on for some playtesting - I'll play the US - "the good guys" :rifle:
JL, is your spelling better in the scenario?
lol, just kidding man.
Je comprends.
I'm up for a test match.
I'm testing my scenario too so I understand the situation.
:smoke:
Ife aye maide bigue engliche miss taique bee naice taulde hit tou mai
sanque iou
daire vendeuraire
I'm ok to playtest "second battle for france".
By the way jl, I've send you a mail a couple of weeks ago... :D
Bdr.Mallette
18 Feb 05, 12:40
Ife aye maide bigue engliche miss taique bee naice taulde hit tou mai
sanque iou
daire vendeuraire
O'tay!
lol
just kidding.
I'm ok to playtest "second battle for france".
By the way jl, I've send you a mail a couple of weeks ago... :DSalut OG
Sorry for not answering, but I was more than busy. I've redrawn "en grand" the map of Opération Lion de mer -> at the end it was so hugge that I've cut the new version in 2 separates scenario, the one you know which is nearby the same but with more events and entry of Greek and Italian units and more USAF squads.
The second scenario is a surprise, I will annouce it latter chuttttt :D
Small question do you have log yourself in the WARS ladder system?
If not, please do so.
As all my work of preparation for the tournament will be done, we will open again the operation lion de mer fight
Der WanderMysterious
Small question do you have log yourself in the WARS ladder system?
I really don't know how to register on this ladder....I can't even find it :o
Try here:
http://toaw.free.fr/images/wars.jpg
:)
Merci :cheeky:
Don't know why joining the ladder is so important, but I did it :laugh:
Gen_Electric
19 Feb 05, 12:11
Anybody having trouble with the wordpad file? I open it and nothing is there.
Anybody having trouble with the wordpad file? I open it and nothing is there.
it is a word file, thereword file viewer on the net in case you have not MS word
But if needed I can create an RFT version
Der WanderTOAWAssistant
Gen_Electric
19 Feb 05, 14:45
Thanks, Jean-Luc; I don't have MS word but was able to open it with wordperfect. Now I have a small chance against viridomaros.
Looking for a EURO opponent just to stay in style - anybody ready for some playtesting
Ready when you are! :halo:
I don't have MS Word - blank wordpad file - any other format available? :confused:
What do you want to test ?
Second battle for France
or
Operation Lion de mer ?
I'll play whichever you'd like - I would like to print out the scen notes first :D
Here's a .pdf version of the briefing. Let me know when you have it so that I can edit the post and remove the attachment... :)
Gen_Electric
03 Mar 05, 22:03
I don't have MS Word - blank wordpad file - any other format available? :confused:
Wordperfect worked for me.
Notes printed - thank you very much :D Ready to defend the free world against EURO aggression/expansion policies :laugh:
As I'm a poor Frenchy far from his Haraps Shorter dictionary
If my Frenglish is ununderstandable tell me that I try to correct it
Thanks in advance
Der WanderWraiteur
This is torture watching all those EURO units moving to defensive positions :smoke: How about at least some SF units to
blow bridges, raise havoc etc?
I also have a couple of air units that are orange status? Can I have at least one air commander disobey orders ? - so many targets :love:
This is torture watching all those EURO units moving to defensive positions :smoke: How about at least some SF units to
blow bridges, raise havoc etc?
I also have a couple of air units that are orange status? Can I have at least one air commander disobey orders ? - so many targets :love:Next turn you can take your "feet" and Eat French meat :D
Der wanderPleased
Hey Foggy !
Welcome in France ! :devil:
Hey Foggy !
Welcome in France ! :devil:
Boutez les US hors de France Free Adaptation From Johanne of ARC :D
Der WanderCharrrrrrggggeeeeeeeeeeez
Operation " Rid France of the French" has begun :hurray:
Operation " Rid France of the French" has begun :hurray:
And? and? and ? tell me, tell me, tell me, telle me, tellerme, tellerminen:o
Yes I have to shame but I can't resist to it
Der WanderWithWordIPlay
Any wagers on the life expectancy of the EURO airforce? :devil: JLB would you like to see a SAL?
Any wagers on the life expectancy of the EURO airforce? :devil: JLB would you like to see a SAL?
yesyesyesyes.
Do you like it until now ?
Der WanderProudOfHisBaby
Gen_Electric
09 Mar 05, 14:33
Viridomaros(US/NATO) v General Electric(Europe)
June 5, 2004
The cowardly forces of the thug Bush and his English toadies' have attacked the Republic of France. Air strikes have been carried out and French forces lost 68 planes. France has responded by bombarding the 1st Arm. Div. as they emerged from the chunnel. French spokesmen say, Let them come; the 2nd invasion of France will not be as easy as the first.
Now, Foggy mentions a sal. A log file but I don't remember how to start it. Do you need this JB? Do we need to keep track of any thing in particular? Yeah, if the first attack is a forerunner, 1 stealth bomber vs. 68 of mine; my air force is in trouble. Thanks guys.
That's why I said the EURO air force is in trouble :devil: To use airmobile forces w/minimal losses - you need air superiority
or better air supremacy :love: To create a SAL of that particular
turn, after the PBM save, just save the turn again - that will allow JLB to stop drooling/begging :halo:
Sneak attack by anglo-american paratroopers on the north of france !!!!!
France protest again us agression !
Vive Cambronne !
JLB : may I invade Jersey ? It is a little island lost in the channel...without us troops !
JLB : may I invade Jersey ? It is a little island lost in the channel...without us troops !
One simple advice look at your air briefing who have air superiority and what is the ratio ?
If you don't have air superiority stick in trench and hold until turn 5. Don't try any air attack you will sacrifice your untis for nothing.
My 2 eurocents
JLBTheGreat ( megalomaniac me Nooooo)
Der WanderPsychoMadBadEtc.....
Viridomaros(US/NATO) v General Electric(Europe)
June 5, 2004
The cowardly forces of the thug Bush and his English toadies' have attacked the Republic of France. Air strikes have been carried out and French forces lost 68 planes. France has responded by bombarding the 1st Arm. Div. as they emerged from the chunnel. French spokesmen say, Let them come; the 2nd invasion of France will not be as easy as the first.
Now, Foggy mentions a sal. A log file but I don't remember how to start it. Do you need this JB? Do we need to keep track of any thing in particular? Yeah, if the first attack is a forerunner, 1 stealth bomber vs. 68 of mine; my air force is in trouble. Thanks guys.To make a SAL file is easy, just save your turn at any time before ending the turn.
When I want to do a follow up of my games in the "saves sub directory", I create under a sub with name file and a sub sub with the turn number where I put the sal files of what I want to keep, especialy in summer when heat or power shutdown ( I'm often at my mother house in center of France and power delivery is not accurate at 100%) make sometime my PC to crash in middle of a turn, so sal file is the only solution.
And especialy to save the turn when all is done ( option save and close after end of turn)
Hope this help
Der WanderTOAWAssistant
Gen_Electric
10 Mar 05, 12:05
Roger that. So save another besides the pbem file. I'll do it for t4 and e-mail it.
Roger that. So save another besides the pbem file. I'll do it for t4 and e-mail it.
Thks a lot, you have my mail?
Der WanderHappy
Gen_Electric
11 Mar 05, 11:19
No, check pm.
No, check pm.
Received, I jut forward the answer
Play you soon
Der WanderDanish
Gen_Electric
13 Mar 05, 22:45
Mon dieu, où a fait tout ces troupes viennent de. Oh my, look at all the Yankees on French soil. Turn 4 sent for you to check out.
T4 away - massive airmobile attacks - several beach assaults -
the Ami's are feet wet :devil:
massive airmobile losses, several retreats, wait for the US in Paris ?
Screw Paris - I'm heading for Brussels - the beer is much better :laugh: Traffic control is becoming an issue - so many units ashore :D Air combat going well - AS established - how come so few airbases in western France? My first airmobile
blocking force ran into a German division :dead: I am getting concerned at the number of MP units assigned - is the French resistance actually going to hurt Ami's :surprise:
Another Ami willing to playtest this scenario against a Euro...
Please direct me to the latest version of each of the two scenarios and their respective readme's.
Anybody game? :D
And when do you (the great JLBetin), propose starting this next tourney? :hail:
Nothing like some boredom between current tourney rounds to get me to volunteer! :nuts:
Heavy fighting in the north, first us reco offensive towards Paris, besiege against Rennes, Brest and in the next turn Nantes. Heavy gap in the french line. The struggle for freedom is open : "Ils n'auront pas le pinard, ni la bierre une fois ! :drink: "
Looks like Kilroy and I will be starting the first scenario this weekend. I will be playing as the American/British freedom fighters, bringing the "American Way" to Europe... :laugh:
Gen_Electric
28 Mar 05, 12:35
Berlin(Reuters) 6-07-04
The German chancellor announced today that Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands are joining France in the war against Anglo-American aggression. "We do not need or want the Ami's on European soil." All Bundeswehr units are being mobilized and preparing for combat.
Meanwhile, losses in France have been relatively light. We continue to organize defense lines against the Anglo-Americans.
Looks like Kilroy and I will be starting the first scenario this weekend. I will be playing as the American/British freedom fighters, bringing the "American Way" to Europe... :laugh:
I saw your questions about helicopter moves, I will answer tonight and offer you all a nice Helicopter moves bug I found this afternoon, to be continued....
Der WanderBugFinder
T7 off & a massive armored thrust towards Paris - soon to be cut
off :D Heavy fighting in the North - massive battles raging as Brussels looms ahead. In Foggy's army - airmobile troops live a fast & hard life :smoke:
Well, the battle is now joined! :devil:
US/UK quickly establish air superiority, and helicopter attacks on armored and mechanized units begin, as well as the bombing of key bridges by SAC.
Airmobile units are being coptered in at a rapid rate to capture nearby key locations, and try to force battle with some of the Euro forces. The number of airmobile troops landing is simply amazing with perhaps the largest single airlift by helo ever accomplished in one day!
Paris is smoldering from repeated air attacks on bridges and downed planes from both sides. But many of the "vaunted" Mirage 2000's are merely burning wreckage now, with curious tourists wandering over from Euro-Disney to see the free attraction...
Airmobile troops are already pounding in survey stakes in various vineyards, as American generals call their real estate agents to try and secure some sweet deals on property.
The mood among Allied troops is decidedly upbeat. "This is way better than Iraq"! "I thought I could never afford a vacation in France"!
:D
Jean Luc, do you want me to e-mail you and end of turn .sav file to look at. And do you want one sent every turn? I'd post it, but well, you know, that Kilroy guy would look at it... :whist:
just send an e-mail to spkilmer@comcast.net. I will be using a company laptop the rest of the week, and can't access the website because it is screened out by WebSense. :mad:
Dicke Bertha
03 Apr 05, 17:14
Well, the battle is now joined! :devil:
US/UK quickly establish air superiority, and helicopter attacks on armored and mechanized units begin, as well as the bombing of key bridges by SAC.
Airmobile units are being coptered in at a rapid rate to capture nearby key locations, and try to force battle with some of the Euro forces. The number of airmobile troops landing is simply amazing with perhaps the largest single airlift by helo ever accomplished in one day!
Paris is smoldering from repeated air attacks on bridges and downed planes from both sides. But many of the "vaunted" Mirage 2000's are merely burning wreckage now, with curious tourists wandering over from Euro-Disney to see the free attraction...
Airmobile troops are already pounding in survey stakes in various vineyards, as American generals call their real estate agents to try and secure some sweet deals on property.
The mood among Allied troops is decidedly upbeat. "This is way better than Iraq"! "I thought I could never afford a vacation in France"!
:D
:clap: spledid 'news-flash' aar! Real estate speculation and tourist trips in a burning France! :laugh:
North : Belgium paracommando raid on Coquel terminal area. Heavy fighting around Lille
Reims saved by German forces
Paris : first contact with reco in the south of Versailles. French army suffers losses. Need help from others EU countries, quickly !
South : critical gap between Paris and Nantes ! Brest still french.
comments for jlb : for the moment no sabotage on rear areas, no Inteligence Brigade
St Arnould was in the no man's land, sorry.
Paris is encircled - awaiting German rescue :laugh: Thirsty
American & British units head North to secure better beer - Airmobile troops race to Brussels to secure the beer supply first :toast:
North : Belgium paracommando raid on Coquel terminal area. Heavy fighting around Lille
Reims saved by German forces
Paris : first contact with reco in the south of Versailles. French army suffers losses. Need help from others EU countries, quickly !
South : critical gap between Paris and Nantes ! Brest still french.
comments for jlb : for the moment no sabotage on rear areas, no Inteligence Brigade
St Arnould was in the no man's land, sorry.
If the events works properly the Sabotage teams appears after at leat 7 days of occupation of specidics hexes. Just wait !!!
Der WanderScenarioDesigner
Gents what are your 1st impressions about playability ?
Euro player could you defend Paris or it seems too difficult ? Are EU reinforcements coming too late ?
Der WanderIWonderIf?
Gen_Electric
08 Apr 05, 15:00
Only on turn 6 here. Too soon to say.
The 6th Armored Light Brigade is surrounded and cut off in Le Harve. The key port remains in French hands with house to house fighting. Elsewhere tho, Allied forces have penetrated deep into the countryside. Mobilization continues.
I've just opened up a game of Lion de Mer 2004. One thing that pops out at me from the Euro side: the Panzer Lehr Brigade is on the coast west of Amsterdam, but not on an anchorage hex, and thus cannot embark on sea transport and move to England the first turn - it must either go by rail through the Chunnel or wait for Turn 2. Is this intentional, or does there need to be an anchorage on the hex the Panzer Lehr Brigade starts in?
Gen_Electric
11 Apr 05, 13:19
In a historic defense, Le Harve is still in French hands. The crack 82nd Airborne division has not been able to drive the 6Ème Brigade Legere Blindee out of it's position. Supply has become critical and a relief column is on the eastern outskirts. Meanwhile, Allied forces have continued to drive into France. The front is still very chaotic and fluid, as you can see in the pic. Allied is red and Europe is blue.
KNN REPORTS ! Military Police violence against Blocking Counter at Coquel Terminal ! An investigation is open.
Three main resistance zones : North of France with Belgium and netherland armies, Paris with french and italian forces, nantes with french 9Bl lég. Marine and Mariners brigade.
German army is coming around Reims.
EU Air Force is exhausted.
Turn 9 is critical for EU : no reinforcements :dead:
it's ok, the play test will be continue !
the EU Opponent in the new frenglish language. Is it clear ???
KNN REPORTS ! Military Police violence against Blocking Counter at Coquel Terminal ! An investigation is open.
Three main resistance zones : North of France with Belgium and netherland armies, Paris with french and italian forces, nantes with french 9Bl lég. Marine and Mariners brigade.
German army is coming around Reims.
EU Air Force is exhausted.
Turn 9 is critical for EU : no reinforcements :dead:
it's ok, the play test will be continue !
the EU Opponent in the new frenglish language. Is it clear ???
Clair comme de l'eau de roche.
Be Patient Spanish RDF forces will come soon with their Air forces
And Greek will come too
They won't pass (Pétain Marshall of France 1916)
Der WanderHistorian
I attacked the commando unit & the counter moved too! I just don't like Euro units in my rear areas :laugh:
It is important to keep the black blocking counter on Coquel.
Never as I write it in House rules this hex must be attacked, it is clear too that no EU units can enter it :D
Der WanderToDesignScenarioIsNotAnEasyTask
The Coalition rolls on - Brussels & Antwerp taken by airmobile troops :devil: Nantes, Auxerre & Bourges supply points fall to the Anglo-American advance forces :halo: Heavy armored units
encircling Paris from the South - troops have been warned that
the destruction of the German armor is the priority. :toast:
Gen_Electric
14 Apr 05, 00:09
Reuters. (Paris)
PARIS IS INVADED.
Allied airborne units have landed in Paris. The city is in a panic as heavy fighting is taking place. Key government officials have been evacuated to a secret bunker, codenamed jlb; somewhere west of Orleans. Rumors have Allied special forces searching for it already. Euro troops dig in and await the arrival of Allied armor. Paris was spared during WWII, but it looks like a different story this time. Elsewhere, it doesn't look good for France; the allied airmobile capability is proving almost unstoppable.
viridomaros
14 Apr 05, 06:05
it's dangerous to share information with the ennemy :laugh:
Gen_Electric
14 Apr 05, 11:15
Yeah, I know, but you can't keep anything out of the papers. :whist:
very interesting evolution of situation!.
It is true that you must balance loss of territory and keeping alive as much as possible of units to protect latter in game key objectives
The following question now, is, will the next reinforcements be able to reestablish the situation, a may 40 like one?
Der WanderTOAWDesigner
Hard time for EU Army. Three Defense Zone isolated, air force reorganize, no reinforcements in turn 10, riots in the "neuf trois" department.
KNN SPECIAL REPORT : JLB was Prisonner of War !!!
French Official deny this allegation : He is in a forest with members of the Resistance and fight against the invaders.
I've just opened up a game of Lion de Mer 2004. One thing that pops out at me from the Euro side: the Panzer Lehr Brigade is on the coast west of Amsterdam, but not on an anchorage hex, and thus cannot embark on sea transport and move to England the first turn - it must either go by rail through the Chunnel or wait for Turn 2. Is this intentional, or does there need to be an anchorage on the hex the Panzer Lehr Brigade starts in?
Ok the anchorage status was removed by error, please load the 1.21 version, on this thread or in the scenario forum
Thanks for observation
Der WanderCorrected
viridomaros
14 Apr 05, 18:18
Hard time for EU Army. Three Defense Zone isolated, air force reorganize, no reinforcements in turn 10, riots in the "neuf trois" department.
KNN SPECIAL REPORT : JLB was Prisonner of War !!!
French Official deny this allegation : He is in a forest with members of the Resistance and fight against the invaders.
good one :laugh:
Gen_Electric
15 Apr 05, 00:10
Reuters (Paris)
Only 2 major areas of resistance, 1)Heavy fighting continues in Paris. The outcome is still undecided. 2)The Belgian line is in danger of being breached. (see pic) In the west, Nantes is under attack. Much needed reinforcements arriving, but will they be able to plug the holes.
viridomaros
15 Apr 05, 04:45
Reuters (Paris)
Only 2 major areas of resistance, 1)Heavy fighting continues in Paris. The outcome is still undecided. 2)The Belgian line is in danger of being breached. (see pic) In the west, Nantes is under attack. Much needed reinforcements arriving, but will they be able to plug the holes.
it's just that the birtish have smelt the belgian beer, you can't resist to that :laugh:
Gen_Electric
19 Apr 05, 14:58
IS PARIS BURNING?
No, but Paris has been reduced to ruins. Heavy fighting continues in the rubble, the allies might take Paris; but there won't be anything left. Unless reinforcements can break thru, Paris should fall in a day or two. Unless more troops arrive soon, Europe may be looking at an Anglo-France. :(
Secret Agent
19 Apr 05, 15:00
Unless more troops arrive soon, Europe may be looking at an Anglo-France. :(
Is it true that one of the Brits commented upon landing in France, "Edward III, we have returned!" :D
Looking at Gen Electric Viridomaros game, it seems that the EU reinforcements are desesperatly needed.
But if "Gen El." looks at the scheduled arrival of EU forces he will be more confident in the next coming 3 turns.
General question, are the guerillas counters behaving as pesky troublemakers for the US players ??
Thanks for your help Gents
Der WanderTOAWAssistant
EU players, what is for you the best defense for French units during the 6 first turns of the scenario ?
Hedgerow round main objectives, launch of counter attacks without holding the beaches at all cost?
Your advices are welcome
Der WanderPariswillNeverDie
Gen_Electric
19 Apr 05, 22:21
EU players, what is for you the best defense for French units during the 6 first turns of the scenario ?
Hedgerow round main objectives, launch of counter attacks without holding the beaches at all cost?
Your advices are welcome
Der WanderPariswillNeverDie
I tried both, kept the fortified units in the main cities and moved other units to try and hold some of the beaches. That didn't work, as the beach units were either cut off and destroyed; either as they were dug in or as they retreated. The loss of those units is now causing problems holding onto any ground. If I was to do it again, I would hold all units back and let the Allies have the beaches. Le Harve would be the only possible defensive choice, and that would be a cost to risk assesement as to what units to use. My opinion is hedgerow and counter attack in hindsight.
T10 flipped back - Coalition has gained air supremacy :devil:
Paris pocket being crushed - Euro supply points few and far between :D No guerilla activity yet - should'nt be a problem -
not many Euro units left anyways :toast:
Gen_Electric
20 Apr 05, 14:31
Here is my turn 3 beach deployment. The 1st Mech brigade is in Amiens. The 2nd Brigade is around Dieppe. 3rd is near Chunnel. 6th in Le Harve. 7th around Caen. And the 27th near Le Touquet.
As you can see, this deployment, while covering the beaches; is too spread out for an effective defense once Allied units land by airmobile oper. By turn 11, the 6th and 7th Brigades have been totally eliminated. The 1st mech is at 50% strength, 3rd at 80%; and 27th at 40%. Then only effective unit left is the 2nd. By turn 13, Paris is toast; The big three in Belgium are threatened and this game is in danger of ending early.
I understand Foggy's sig very, very well. :)
Turn 3 pic attached.
The best defense for EU Army is two or three Defensives zones :
1st : Lille and begium
2nd : Paris (PariswillNeverDie)
3rd : Nantes (optional) or Le Havre (optional for an offensive position)
AND PRAY !
I hold all beaches with small units and others near to counter attack. the counter attack is a mistake in the first six turns.
Deployment of formations was very, very difficult because US and British para were everywhere.
If Paris fall, the play is over and the French opponent drink cola !
It could be worse - I just figured out the use of airmobile troops :devil: I guess by saving Paris for last I'll miss the guerrillas - of course there's lots of armor units about to drive around looking for something to do :p
The loss of Paris is not a Killing criteria, but it gives 2 days of shock +120 for Coalition player and 80 for EU player
Der WanderParisian
JL, don't forget, I wait for a game !
What about a "second battle for france" one ?
JL, don't forget, I wait for a game !
What about a "second battle for france" one ?
non non je ne t'oublie pas
On va remttre Opération Lion de mer en route mais je vais te donner les US/UK cette fois si tu es d'accord, mais après mon retour
Der WanderJLB
for my Foriegn Friends I will translate
We will put Operation Lion de mer on road again, but I will give you the coalition side this time if you don't mind but after my return (8th of May)
Le JLBErrant
Bon ben si on peux causer français.. :cheeky:
Euh bah on réglera ça par mails, je préférerais un "second battle for france" mais ma foi...
this is the black turn 10, the nightmare turn for EU : no reinforcements !
no comments. :scream:
Secret Agent
05 May 05, 13:44
Any updates?
T12 away :D
AS 54-8
Losses 60-119
Greek reinforcements unfortunately met an armored division :devil: , Spainards will be driven back soon :smoke:
Remaining 3 EURO pockets being crushed methodically - maybe the Germans will hold out the longest - any wagers?
Secret Agent
05 May 05, 15:59
Thanks for the update. I'm glad the US is winning! :halo: :nofear:
From : F.T.P.F.
To : JLB
Object : Guerilla is coming.
Attachements : Cherbourg aera and French doc.
bulldozer
05 May 05, 17:24
si yade la place pour un testeur...chui volunteer...euh...un peu tard pitet?
Try to test Sealion against a Brit and remember :
They burn Jane d'ARC !
Very, very, very bad weather around Paris !
More help needed from others EU countries !
Paris is burning ?
Do you have 1st comments to give after those 1st played turns ?
There will be welcome
Der WanderTOAWAssistant
Some balancing probably will be required - airmobile warfare
is hell on the defender :laugh:
Coalition AS is easy to acquire, beaches are deathtraps etc.
Reinforcement schedules could be quickened - esp. the EURO air force - maybe more marine/commando units for the EURO's?
Right now it's too easy to conquer large forward drop zones - not enough defenders - with the armor mismatch off the beaches, it's easy to pocket the defenders. Maybe more AA on the EURO supply points or build up more points? More guerillas to interfere w/coalition supply?
Some balancing probably will be required - airmobile warfare
is hell on the defender :laugh:
Coalition AS is easy to acquire, beaches are deathtraps etc.
Reinforcement schedules could be quickened - esp. the EURO air force - maybe more marine/commando units for the EURO's?
Right now it's too easy to conquer large forward drop zones - not enough defenders - with the armor mismatch off the beaches, it's easy to pocket the defenders. Maybe more AA on the EURO supply points or build up more points? More guerillas to interfere w/coalition supply?
For US airmobile move, I will transform the lifting capacity of Coalition forces as the blackhawk must be considered in the TOAW point of view as a medium transport, not an heavy one. Only CH47 could be considered as an heavy trasport helicopter.
Concerning Air Superiority, the French air force survival depends on the agressivity level you've set in the Air war turns, as well as role given to each squadron.
As far as I remember as soon as other EU countries enter the fight the AS was more or less equal. It is just a question of balance between AS, Combat Support and Interdiction.
If you have read my article about French Army in TOAW home section, you may have read that the Gendarmerie Nationale have not only a classical police role, but they are in charge too of the territorial protection managements.
Protecting key points as power lines, drinkable water storage, nuclear power plants etc...., but it is involved too, in managing units which will be ready to defend local area. The FY 2000 plan reforming reserve in France, has givven a pool of 50.000 reservist for the Gendarmerie.
As I was unable to get information about the units Gendarmerie could set up, I propose the following
Each towns could have a garisoned territorial unit whose size may vary from one company to a bataillon, profiency 75%, supply 100%, readiness 80%
Company composition would be 3 combat sections and a support section, a command group and 2 support squad, 3 little armored trucks with a 7,62 MG and 20 trucks
Combat section will be made of 3 "assault squad+" -> 3x(6 soldiers 2 Brigadier 1 Sergeant, 1x7,62 MG, 1 89mm LRAC Bazoka)
Support section will be set with 3 heavy MG, 1x81mm Mortar, 3 Milan rocket launcher
Company for Sous Prefecture towns, 1/2 bataillon for Prefectures and bataillon for biggest cities as Rennes, Le Havre, Nantes, Orleans, Reims, Auxerre, Cherbourg as it is a Navy facility, Paris, Lille and bourges
Any comments
Der WanderTournamantDesigner?
Secret Agent
11 May 05, 16:35
Mr. Betin; if you want to "balance" the scenario without losing accuracy, why not have some US forces "unavailable" because of a war somewhere else (like Korea). Then the US will have fewer divisions and air units. Now that I've said that, I hope you keep the original scenario. I want to buy TOAW just so I can play it! :halo:
Mr. Betin; if you want to "balance" the scenario without losing accuracy, why not have some US forces "unavailable" because of a war somewhere else (like Korea). Then the US will have fewer divisions and air units. Now that I've said that, I hope you keep the original scenario. I want to buy TOAW just so I can play it! :halo:
After working a lot on US OOB, I can say that you have here only 2 of the 5 US corps
the XVIII & The V along with associated USNG Brigades. I added too a reinforced 2nd Marines division.
Rest of US units are either in USA or in Korea as 8th US army.
Concerning Uk only the 2 permanent UK divisions are involved, no TA forces are participating in the invasion. But for Operation Lion de Mer they will be used.
Der WanderTOAWAssistant
Secret Agent
11 May 05, 17:07
You could still take some more away! Maybe we are fighting North Korea AND China! :laugh:
T13 away - OV status :D I'll be happy to playtest the revised
version - maybe let Michel be the Coalition :laugh:
Any additional Euro units would be good - once the airmobile troops pin the defender down - slowing the Coalition armor should lead to a longer game :smoke:
You could still take some more away! Maybe we are fighting North Korea AND China! :laugh:
Will come latter in scenario but only supply and replacements will be lowered.
Number of units on both sides are nearby the same, problem is when EU reinforcements will arrive.
This scenario need a good defense taste for EU player, he may loose ground and cities but not all of the 5 key supply hexes and he has to keep alive as much units as possible during the turns 1 to 17, as more and more EU reinforcements will be poored in the battle.
You need to define and follow strictly a defensive strategy
Der WanderTOAWAssistant
The defensive strategy will be tough :halo: You have to slow the coalition down, take few losses & make damn sure the airmobile troops don't get the bridges & supply points behind you - quite a difficult task :dead:
Secret Agent
11 May 05, 17:21
Will come latter in scenario but only supply and replacements will be lowered.
Number of units on both sides are nearby the same, problem is when EU reinforcements will arrive.
This scenario need a good defense taste for EU player, he may loose ground and cities but not all of the 5 key supply hexes and he has to keep alive as much units as possible during the turns 1 to 17, as more and more EU reinforcements will be poored in the battle.
You need to define and follow strictly a defensive strategy
Der WanderTOAWAssistant
Well, in any case, keep up the good work! :thumup: (And make sure that the US still wins! :D)
I agree with Mat ( airmobile warfare is hell on the defender )
The French Air Force is Ok until turn 13 (?)
Garrison with Gendarmerie Nationale is a good idea.
Perhaps the reinforcements begin turn 10 (the nightmare turn for EU : no reinforcements !) but the scenario must stay unbalence.
The French Army is alone during turns 1 to 5.
The official French OOB is set as follow:
2 Heavy Armored Brigade
2Heavy Mechanised Brigades
2 Light Armored brigade
1 Airborne/Airmobile Brigade
1 Airmobile/Mountain Brigade
1 Aeromile brigade ( Helicopters only)
1 Artillerie brigade
1 Engineering brigade
1 intelligence brigade ( used as guerilla units in the game)
2 Support/Logistical brigades
I added 4 non official but probable reserve brigades
The key points to keep under French control are :
Lille
Paris
Nantes
Reims
Auxerre
Bourges
If coalition player use the TO to invade through the chunnel or if the nuclear attack against the chunnel failed Lille is under high pression especially with Airmobile move.
Remember too that there are lot of invasion hexes nearby !! So set lot of defending units there and wait for Belgium and Dutch reinforcements.
For Paris, there no supply lowering condition there but you will have 2 turns with shock conditions. Keep initialy a minimum of defending units there and slowly retreats as much as possible units there, try if possible to keep an eastward open corridor to help German Brigades to reinforce you without fighting (hard to do)
Nantes is under stress if coalition player use the Atlantic invasion TO. So keep forces there until you know if he will manage a west front attack. If he don't open a western front you may move the reserve units to the north.
Reims Auxerre and Bourges must be protected with high mobility reserve forces as the only initial danger to fear on begining turns for those places is an Airborne Assault
The Heavy Armored brigades must be used in counter attacks.
They could be set in "tactical reserve mode" or as General army reserve, don't waste them, they are strenghful.
The heavy mechanised must be be used as defenders for key points you want to keep under control at all costs
A light brigade could be set to defend Paris, the reserve one by instance,
For Nantes you can place there the Airborne and the Infantrie de Marine Brigade
The mountain brigade could be set for defending Bourges and Auxerre keep them not far from transport helicopters
Few units lot of ground to protect, remeber you may have to sacrifice towns, but when you have set a defense plan keep it, until the EU reinforcement units will come. You may need to divide your units in 2 to enhance your defence.
Last point I found the couple Engineer/Armoured very strengfull, did you used it ?
Der WanderTwoCentsStrategist
Remember too that in modern warfare, Tanks alone in defense are very weak, the best defense units is the mechanised infantry.
Airmobile have the same role as cavalry in old times
highlight,
screen
disorganise rear area
Hold strategical bridges
remember too that all units may blow bridges in attack or retreat attitude :D
Ahh I forgot, as I explained it in the hints and tips document, EU player must avoid moves during the 4 first turns, US interdiction is hell. So all French units must be in place on turn 3
Der WanderUnHommeAvertiEnVauxDeux
JL I'm here!!
Would you accept to test the Operation lion de mer ? if yes go to the http://www.war-forums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26171 thread and enlist yourself
Thanks
Der WanderTOAWAssistant
I'm ok to playtest "second battle for france".
By the way jl, I've send you a mail a couple of weeks ago... :D
OG loc pleaso go to http://www.war-forums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26171
there are important information for you
Der WanderTOAWTOURNAMENTCoordinator
Following your comments, I'll try to include the gendarmerie units in the next coming 2 days.
I'll look if it is possible to include a reinforcement on turn 10
Der WanderCoordinator
Gen_Electric
12 May 05, 10:17
Our game is getting going again after the bug. We replayed from turn 12. I agree with the previous assessments by Foggy and Turenne. I think what I will do at the end is post my complete turns with password. That way anyone interested in the airmobile capabilities can see how they were used with great success. (Not by me :() Our turn 14 update posted soon.
Tout est perdu.
Turn 14. Paris is lost, Antwerp and Brussels are about to fall; Reims and Orleans have fallen. Lille is almost surrounded. The roads are clogged with civilians, reinforcements will have trouble getting thru. As you can see, not many blue forces left.
Michel is on vacation - so a few comments :love: The fall of Paris next turn (14) will lead to the complete destruction of the remaining EURO forces - not counting reinforcements. The shock value (120) should eliminate the reinforcements as fighting forces as well. :smoke:
A wise Coalition player should conquer Paris by T12, that would allow the shock bonus to eliminate the reinforcements & easily place blocking forces w/heavy artillery & gunship support for the Euro reinforcements.
I would like to see a nuclear option for disposing of the off screen Euro airbases - I have'nt attacked them yet but soon I'll have nothing else to do :whist:
All in all - a pretty good scen from the attacker's standpoint -
some serious balancing issues exist to make this a tourney game.
My 2 cents :halo:
Ok, I did a lot work, and I propose you the V2 version. I took in account your main critics.
I will upload it here at the beginning of the thread, replacing the V1.0 version.
The zip file will include bmp file and corrected text document
I propose you to use it and see if you find it better than the presceding one
Der WanderTOAWAssistant
Be happy to playtest the new version - I would like to take the first version till T20 or so to find bugs etc. Michel I'm sure would be happy to play the Coalition - being pounded to a pulp
does tend to squash the playtesting mantra. It also might be interesting to get a non Euro's viewpoint on defending France
from the evil US/UK :halo:
Be happy to playtest the new version - I would like to take the first version till T20 or so to find bugs etc. Michel I'm sure would be happy to play the Coalition - being pounded to a pulp
does tend to squash the playtesting mantra. It also might be interesting to get a non Euro's viewpoint on defending France
from the evil US/UK :halo:
Just take time to open the scenario and see howthe reserves units are placed
Der WanderScenarioMaker
Tour 1 Go !
The invaders are coming ! With "Plan B" for Europe.
T1 returned - the heroic defenders of Europe await the Coalition
onslaught :smoke:
T1 returned - the heroic defenders of Europe await the Coalition
onslaught :smoke:
I hope the URGN units will help you to hold the national territory
Der WanderDesigner
Okay, been tangled up in the Nordic Light fiasco, but at least one of my opponents wants to keep playing, so that's cool... :smoke:
FINALLY, I'm returning moves to Kilroy on our game. I just sent him T7 as US/UK.
All my ground units are now on the continent and pushing forwards. Le Havre is still holding out, but has little chance next turn. I've reached the outskirts of Paris with my armor, and my airmobile units are continuing to plague Kilroy with the seizure of rear objectives, interrupting his flow of reinforcements. His strongest line is anchored on Dunkirk and moving east towards the other map edge with some units still dug in on the outskirts of Lille. I got lucky and dropped an airmobile unit right on Brussels and took it! (empty hex).
American and British tourists have also been rescued from gun-toting Mickey Mouses, and Goofy's, who were holding them captive in order to try and leverage the US/UK. Unfortunately, the clueless tourists just thought it was part of the attractions, and are complaining about being evac'd back to Britain, where they are afraid they will have to eat boiled food. :kotz:
On the Atlantic side, the marine bridgehead continues to expand (along with their egos), with the capture of Nantes. There seems little to stop them now...
Virtually all of the major euro bridges have been blown by repeated airstrikes, and the euros seem unable to repair them.
JLB: After only 7 turns it looks pretty bleak for the euros. I simply cannot imagine playing this out for 40 turns. For tournament play, I believe the game should be cut down to 20 turns max, especially with the size and complexity of the scenario. Less time, means more of a chance for the euros to hold on to some objectives and fight for a draw. I also have a hard time believing the US/UK could muster the enormous level of airlift available to the airmobile units. If I was more aggressive I could probably have cut off Paris by T5 with airmobile alone!
Something to consider at least.
Secret Agent
31 May 05, 08:34
I also have a hard time believing the US/UK could muster the enormous level of airlift available to the airmobile units. If I was more aggressive I could probably have cut off Paris by T5 with airmobile alone!
Something to consider at least.
An infantry battalion (with Hummers) can be airlifted by 1 battalions of UH-60s.
An infantry battalion without Hummers can be airlifted by 1 battalion of UH-60s, or 1 company of CH-47s.
101st Airborne Division (Air Assault/Airmobile) has 9 battalions of infantry, 3 UH-60 BNs, and 1 CH-47 BN (3 companies). XVIII Corps aviation assets includes 2 companies of CH-47s, and an understrength (50%) battalion of UH-60s. V Corps would add additional aviation assets (not to mention all those Reserve/NG battalions), so it is perfectly believable that large-scale air assault (airmoble) ops could take place.
An infantry battalion (with Hummers) can be airlifted by 1 battalions of UH-60s.
An infantry battalion without Hummers can be airlifted by 1 battalion of UH-60s, or 1 company of CH-47s.
101st Airborne Division (Air Assault/Airmobile) has 9 battalions of infantry, 3 UH-60 BNs, and 1 CH-47 BN (3 companies). XVIII Corps aviation assets includes 2 companies of CH-47s, and an understrength (50%) battalion of UH-60s. V Corps would add additional aviation assets (not to mention all those Reserve/NG battalions), so it is perfectly believable that large-scale air assault (airmoble) ops could take place.
I tried to reflect the exact OOBand TO&E as described on the US websites, official or with high credibility asFAS or globalsecurity.org
Myu only problem is to give the UH60 the exact TOAW definition of airlift power, they are more middle lift than heavy, I need probably to correct them but as it is descrive by SA, I return to the dark side of the doubt Darth Kogger hit again :D
Der WanderTOAWAssistant
Secret Agent
01 Jun 05, 11:04
I tried to reflect the exact OOBand TO&E as described on the US websites, official or with high credibility asFAS or globalsecurity.org
:clap: :thumup:
T13 SAL for your viewing pleasure - OV status w/o taking Paris :halo:
v2 T2 Euro turn away!
T3 version 2 flipped back yesterday - air war going well - well at least I have some French planes left :laugh:
T3 version 2 flipped back yesterday - air war going well - well at least I have some French planes left :laugh:
I hope new version will offer more resistance points for European player
Der WanderAnxious
give me the area where your french planes are, and I can delete them ! :laugh: (sorry for ze frenglish)
operation "Yea-ha !" begins
North : GB
Normandy : US
Britany : US Marines
Gen_Electric
21 Jun 05, 11:11
http://www.acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/surrender.gif
Europe surrenders. It got to the point in my game with viridomaros that it made no sense to go on. I was badly mauled and only had a few pockets of forces left. All of my major supply centers were captured so I have packed up and escaped to Italy. A nice villa on the Med to live out my days. Good game viri.
T4 flipped back at lunch :D Air war going well even allowing for
fighter pilots kill claims :laugh: Furious digging all along the defensive fronts - awaiting the first deep airmobile assaults :devil:
viridomaros
21 Jun 05, 13:37
http://www.acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/surrender.gif
Europe surrenders. It got to the point in my game with viridomaros that it made no sense to go on. I was badly mauled and only had a few pockets of forces left. All of my major supply centers were captured so I have packed up and escaped to Italy. A nice villa on the Med to live out my days. Good game viri.
what about changing sides?
Gen_Electric
22 Jun 05, 22:22
Sure, why not. In for a penny, in for a pound[ing].
viridomaros
23 Jun 05, 04:04
Sure, why not. In for a penny, in for a pound[ing].
i'm waiting for your first turn so
Gen_Electric
24 Jun 05, 22:32
I'm sorry Pierre, but reality is interfering with game time. I'm not gonna be able to do this.
EU T5 returned this am :p Enemy advancing slowly - beachs secure - not that I was going to fight for them :halo: Armored
slugfests will be starting T6 or T7 - really going to need the
other EU air units at this rate :surprise:
nice scenario - but I have one idea ...
I think Poland with pleasure will attack Franco-German Euroforces in Dresno and Berlin direction ...
:)))
Maby to Polish Army will join Lituanian and Ukrainian Corps, maby even Hungarian ... Slovakian ??? Czekish not - they are always proGerman country (only two Slav countries was progerman - second was Croatia) ...
I think scenario is defective ...
:devious:
nice scenario - but I have one idea ...
I think Poland with pleasure will attack Franco-German Euroforces in Dresno and Berlin direction ...
:)))
Maby to Polish Army will join Lituanian and Ukrainian Corps, maby even Hungarian ... Slovakian ??? Czekish not - they are always proGerman country (only two Slav countries was progerman - second was Croatia) ...
I think scenario is defective ...
:devious:
Poland, Hungary, Czeck republic and Slovaquia as NATO/USA allies will attack Germany, please read the scenario brieffing along with the word document you will have more details.
I'm preparing a scenario which will integrate both scenarios on a regimental/brigade level using an adapted map of Europe Aflame, but tournament is priority one so this scenario is on hold
Concerning Ukraina I have no OOB or TO&E so it will be difficult to integrate this contry in the scenario, if you have data they will be welcome
Regards
Der WanderTOAWAssistant
Still waiting for US/UK T6 :blab:
Just got T1 from Killorbekilled (EU), so your next group of volunteers are off and running...
Updates will follow.
BTW, what's this war over anyway? Has the EU decided to go after British cows and wipe out once and for all, mad cow disease?
:nuts:
Poland, Hungary, Czeck republic and Slovaquia as NATO/USA allies will attack Germany, please read the scenario brieffing along with the word document you will have more details.
OK - but one detail - If Eastern countries will attack Germany, involvment of this country will be smaller on the west. I think they will be defending Berlin as main defence direction, support for France will be smaller. Is very brave assumption that luftwaffe will back from "eastern front" in turn 15-20 - Present aeroplanes have enough range to attack/defence in area of France and Germany in same day.
Presently Poland have 23 Mig-29, 96 Su-22, 60-80 Mig-21bis (about 60 mig-21 in depots - could be remit) and about 80 - 90 Iskra and Iryda training planes - could be use as a suport planes. Presently are preparation to take 48 F-16Block52. Hungary have about 20 Mig-29, about 50 mig-21 in depots, and starting to take Grippens (12?) ... Slovakia - I don't know nothing about air forces, Ukraine - have big and numerous air forces (about 400 planes mostly made in '80-'90 - mig-29, su-27 ...)
If you think that Luftwaffe allone will take air supperiority in 15 days, when they countries will be supported by USA ... you have to be very big optimist
I'm preparing a scenario which will integrate both scenarios on a regimental/brigade level using an adapted map of Europe Aflame, but tournament is priority one so this scenario is on hold
Very impresive - I will be waiting ...
Concerning Ukraina I have no OOB or TO&E so it will be difficult to integrate this contry in the scenario, if you have data they will be welcome
Is a big pitty that you wrote about this now. I had in one of polish military magazine detailed ODB of Ukraine. If I will find this, that not will be problem.
Concerning Czech Republic - not calculate this country as agressors - they never will join the war against Germany - I think they will be neutral.
And don't forget about USA financial possibilities. Poland in II wave of mobilisation except teritorial defence brigades have potential to create minimum one corps/army (3-5 Div) of "Light" Divisions - every: 3 Brigades on terrain trucks, with Light mortars and mobile AT rockets (SPIKE). with drag art.bn, and T-55/T-72 tank bn/regiment (USA finance and Bialorus border :))), Ukraine depots ... and a lot of possibilities to buy old fashoned russian equipment + Polish reserves with expiriance in use of this), Command of Corps/Army - HQ of Krakowski OW.
Possibilities of buy russian equipment not required only "ground" equipment - mig-29 are presently in use in countries like f.e Jemen, Algieria and Erytrea ...
OK - but one detail - If Eastern countries will attack Germany, involvment of this country will be smaller on the west. I think they will be defending Berlin as main defence direction, support for France will be smaller. Is very brave assumption that luftwaffe will back from "eastern front" in turn 15-20 - Present aeroplanes have enough range to attack/defence in area of France and Germany in same day.
Presently Poland have 23 Mig-29, 96 Su-22, 60-80 Mig-21bis (about 60 mig-21 in depots - could be remit) and about 80 - 90 Iskra and Iryda training planes - could be use as a suport planes. Presently are preparation to take 48 F-16Block52. Hungary have about 20 Mig-29, about 50 mig-21 in depots, and starting to take Grippens (12?) ... Slovakia - I don't know nothing about air forces, Ukraine - have big and numerous air forces (about 400 planes mostly made in '80-'90 - mig-29, su-27 ...)
If you think that Luftwaffe allone will take air supperiority in 15 days, when they countries will be supported by USA ... you have to be very big optimist
Very impresive - I will be waiting ...
Is a big pitty that you wrote about this now. I had in one of polish military magazine detailed ODB of Ukraine. If I will find this, that not will be problem.
Concerning Czech Republic - not calculate this country as agressors - they never will join the war against Germany - I think they will be neutral.
And don't forget about USA financial possibilities. Poland in II wave of mobilisation except teritorial defence brigades have potential to create minimum one corps/army (3-5 Div) of "Light" Divisions - every: 3 Brigades on terrain trucks, with Light mortars and mobile AT rockets (SPIKE). with drag art.bn, and T-55/T-72 tank bn/regiment (USA finance and Bialorus border :))), Ukraine depots ... and a lot of possibilities to buy old fashoned russian equipment + Polish reserves with expiriance in use of this), Command of Corps/Army - HQ of Krakowski OW.
Possibilities of buy russian equipment not required only "ground" equipment - mig-29 are presently in use in countries like f.e Jemen, Algieria and Erytrea ...
Send me your Emai lthrough private mail, I will send you the Fall of USA scenario with the full OOB and TO&E of many Eastern Europe ntions.
For me, my Polish OOB is good, I spend weeks on your Army Web site and got a good view of your Army. The polish units present in the fall of USA scenario will give you a good view of what I collected
Der WanderTOAWAssistant
OK - but one detail - If Eastern countries will attack Germany, involvment of this country will be smaller on the west. I think they will be defending Berlin as main defence direction, support for France will be smaller. Is very brave assumption that luftwaffe will back from "eastern front" in turn 15-20 - Present aeroplanes have enough range to attack/defence in area of France and Germany in same day.
Presently Poland have 23 Mig-29, 96 Su-22, 60-80 Mig-21bis (about 60 mig-21 in depots - could be remit) and about 80 - 90 Iskra and Iryda training planes - could be use as a suport planes. Presently are preparation to take 48 F-16Block52. Hungary have about 20 Mig-29, about 50 mig-21 in depots, and starting to take Grippens (12?) ... Slovakia - I don't know nothing about air forces, Ukraine - have big and numerous air forces (about 400 planes mostly made in '80-'90 - mig-29, su-27 ...)
If you think that Luftwaffe allone will take air supperiority in 15 days, when they countries will be supported by USA ... you have to be very big optimist
No If you read the news, Russia enter fight with airplanes only and kill Eastern countries air forces.They agree with USA not to cross the old RDA border to avoid contacts each others.
Bundesheer has 5 divisions, only one enter fight along with french
the 4 others defends Berlin with help of Austrian and Italian army.
They enter western Front latter in game and at 70% of they initial strengh
Der WanderScenarioMaker
No If you read the news, Russia enter fight with airplanes only and kill Eastern countries air forces.They agree with USA not to cross the old RDA border to avoid contacts each others.
Hmmm - something is not logical - if Russian join the war - this mean no Russian oil for western countries (european reserves of oil are for maximum one month, but only if you make assumption this very nice aim not will be bombing), no Russian bussines, with Russian neutral is chance to delivery oil by Baltic sea (nobody will be provoke Russian when is envolve on other front) - this is last chances for any oil for western countries coalition ... If Russian join war - this mean they should attack Poland and Ukraine - this mean III WW ... by the way - if russian attack eastern Air Forces - and USA is involved in Iraq and Europe, China not will attack Taiwan ???, North Korea not will attack South Korea ??? Russian not will support this attack? - after involved in central europe, Russia is in war - or not???, what with Japan ???
Even if Russian Air Forces will attack easten countries - you think they easy with cooperation of Luftwaffe take air superiority, if USA air forces have air-bases in England (and possibilities to take another in central Euriope)???
I even not talking about readnes of russian air units ...
About Italians - if Greek army is ally of USA - they not will be landing in France! - first good countries to land is ... Italy ... :)
Bundesheer has 5 divisions, only one enter fight along with french
the 4 others defends Berlin with help of Austrian and Italian army..
They enter western Front latter in game and at 70% of they initial strengh
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This mean, that not will be any dangeres on east - hmmm - German forces in Warsaw ??? forget!!! 4 German divisions should conquer Poland - 4 Divisions take control for Szczecin, PonaÅ„, Åódz and WrocÅ‚aw and twenty smaller cities ??? LOL - look for Yugoslavia war - presently we have not years 1939/41 - urban centers will engage enemy units for long weeks/months ... even if you make assumption for creating ad-hock divisions ...
p.s: about 2 years ago pentagon made compare forces of USA and whole EU - reasult - EU forces have only 8% of USA war possibilities ... you is big difference even now ??? I'm not check, but what with USA recon superiority, ofcourse you not thinking that french satelits will be still ready after USA attack ?... You compare how many AWACS have USA and EU ???
Sorry Matt, I was on holidays !
EU retake the Chunnel ! Argh ! :shock:
Send me your Emai lthrough private mail, I will send you the Fall of USA scenario with the full OOB and TO&E of many Eastern Europe ntions.
For me, my Polish OOB is good, I spend weeks on your Army Web site and got a good view of your Army. The polish units present in the fall of USA scenario will give you a good view of what I collected
Good news ...
My friend found newspaper with ODB of Ukraine in my second flat.
Today he was sended me by post.
My e-mail - trawler@op.pl
EU T6 flipped - armored counterattacks beginning against the Ami's :hurray:
EU T9 flipped back at lunchtime - not looking too good for the Ami's :devil:
JLB :
Can you change the title of the 2-6 Infantry Btn / 1st Armored Div in 2-6 Armored Btn / 1st Armored Div ?
THX.
JLB :
Can you change the title of the 2-6 Infantry Btn / 1st Armored Div in 2-6 Armored Btn / 1st Armored Div ?
THX.
Done
Der WanderEncoreUnBugDeTrouveVlaProgrameurQuiPasse :whist:
I want to thanks all testers who send me their sal files, even if I don't answer, be assured that these files are deeply analysed.
Der WanderScenarioMaker
I hope not too deeply :rolleyes: I'm actually getting quite attached to certain parts of France - they will be littered
w/burnt out Coalition equipment soon :devil:
Michel - due to computer problems - can you resend your last
SBF v2 USUK turn? :rolleyes:
Michel - due to computer problems - can you resend your last
SBF v2 USUK turn? :rolleyes:
No problemo, Matt !
Michel, your French opponent from the French Riviera.
No problemo, Matt !
Michel, your French opponent from the French Riviera.
Ahhh le Var, so nice but too hot and definitly too much dry for me
Are fires burning near you?, it is not portugal but this year is very dry!!!
amicalement
Der WanderCanadair
JLB : Le Var is not too hot with climatisation and swimming-pool :cool: ! Few fires this year. And for my US and Brit. enemies, if you are thirsty, you can drink a lot of beer at Monroe's pub :drink: . Perhaps I win after ! :devil:
Question : when the tournaments begin ?
JLB : Le Var is not too hot with climatisation and swimming-pool :cool: ! Few fires this year. And for my US and Brit. enemies, if you are thirsty, you can drink a lot of beer at Monroe's pub :drink: . Perhaps I win after ! :devil:
Question : when the tournaments begin ?
Probably when our official beta testings will be finished, then I will check with Menschenfresser and Westpointer to put it on rail
Der WanderTOAWAssitant:cool:
I just sent SBF v2 T10 PBL & SAL to Menschenfresser - he will forward to Turenne & JLB - my free wireless internet access
is @#$%^^!
Many thanks to Mensch & no co0mments yet on the SAL please - opsec is important :halo:
Be cool Foggy ! I just received your turn form Mensch.
you can comments your opsec with me :devil:
Michel, your French opponent from the French Riviera.
give the Légion d'Honneur medal to URGN Les Andelys
URGN fight all the rounds to keep Les Andelys French against a lot of MBTs and infantry and artillerie and angineers and so on...I'm exhausted !
Michel did you receive my SBFv2 EUT13? :devious:
Hi Matt,
You must stop :drink: or stop Pin-up.jpg ! You are too old for that ! NO ?!
I am waiting for turn 14, not turn 13.
I resend turn 14 :)
Michel, your French opponent from the french riviera.
I was waiting for T14 - I'm always afraid that AOL would considered you a spammer :halo:
T14 flipped back last night - finally almost done w/computer problems :) Dieppe retaken -
Euro mobile forces have pounded several spearheads - heavy losses though :smoke:
Euro air forces holding on - it's going to come down to MBT vs. MBT outside Paris :devil:
My bet is on the Germans :laugh:
T15 for you Matt, since yesterday.
Michel
T15 received - please be patient - desktop PC back today :) I need to patch my brand new laptop to 1.04 & start the MBT's burning :devil:
T15 flipped back this morning - god it's great to have computers again :laugh: Savage
armored warfare in front of Paris - armored reserves moved forward :devil: Heavy EU
air losses - AS was 37-2! SAL sent to JLB for comments :halo: Ami forces being pounded into a box - looking forward to the next 5 turns :devious:
Guess I'll have to get back to work now :rolleyes:
T16 flipped back - not looking well for the Coalition :devil: Reinforcements are arriving steadily and the Coalition armor is being pounded :devious: The Euro air forces are doing quite well - maybe it's time to visit some airfields :smoke:
T19 flipped back at lunch - not looking too good for the Ami's :devil: Armor battles are
almost over - beachead is nearly split in two :smoke: I've been experimenting w/kamikaze
airmobile units - a lot of fun chasing HQ units around :love:
T19 flipped back at lunch - not looking too good for the Ami's :devil: Armor battles are
almost over - beachead is nearly split in two :smoke: I've been experimenting w/kamikaze
airmobile units - a lot of fun chasing HQ units around :love:
what's going on foggy ?
Der WanderWaiting
Please, this loooks like a very popular scenario, is there something special in this? Is it a multiplayer game that people gang up for a game? So, do I have to wait for a 'crew' to assemble, or can I just download, and play agaisnt a friend on hotseat, or find a game buddy here??? Please help the unknowing my friends, there has been a gap in my gaming, but as we do not have the new Italy turn based game, and the Normandy and Korsun Pocket re-print cheep one's just were sold out under my nose, I am desperate for good hex and turn based, good old operational gaming!!!
By the way , I got Battle of Britain II, and the commanding of the whole air defence (I just only started on RAF), is somewhat difficult, I must find a readme file, for there is no instruction book so to say, still one can get in and fly too, and boy is the scenery pretty and planes so well modelled and the sounds exellent. Flying has been made easier than in b of b one, and is rather like in Sturmovik...
A good game, but where can I get the Italy-Normandy turn based games, as Finland's game shops are ruthlessly for kids, and some dont even pack pc games at all!!!! Still when for example TOAW acow, or the Normandy re print come, they are gobbled up in days, it shows that there are strat players here, but the shops do not care, idiocy!
I was told that they do one order from the importers (In finland, you cannot get arround the importers who sell to the shops, a real racket), and after that is sold out, they never bother for a second batch although there are people who were left without the game, as they say there is only x ammount of strat gamers in Helsinki, and the fiew who 'miss the bus' cannot get another go... So, any place to orded. Amazon did not know about Normandy when it came out about a year ago...
Playtesting is being done as I type - looking for an opponent for Weserbrung2 -
any interest? It is playtesting so literally anything goes :devil:
Playtesting is being done as I type - looking for an opponent for Weserbrung2 -
any interest? It is playtesting so literally anything goes :devil:
for Weserübung II could you wait At Max 10 days, I'm just instaling the new units following the latest version of modern.exe did by JMS (22 january 2006)
Kary 2nd battle for France in a PBEM or Hot seat game.
As for OPLM an Weserübung II, I need to install the latest units or Modern.exe
but you can try to find an opponent with the T2.0 version (T for Tournament)
I can't play with you as the upgrading process is hawfully time consumiing.
My Best Regards
Der WanderDoingUndoingsIsStillMaking
Hi TOAW testers,
I try to do my hardest efforts on updating Weserübung II, but since Friday I got a sad cold:dead: , I'm caughing days and nights, and my brain is little out of order, in low "visibility".
Be patient I do my best for you
Caugh caugh caugh ehhhhhhhhhhhhh (big breathe) my best thoughts
Der WanderNotSoFresh:nuts:
Playtesting is being done as I type - looking for an opponent for Weserbrung2 -
any interest? It is playtesting so literally anything goes :devil:
I would like to very much!!! I have win xp, and one game I tried to pbm had constant problems, and another one stopped working for ever (the exellent Finnish winter war scenario, that I cannot seem to find anymore, only the hypotethical Russian invasion of Finland and Sweden! A great scenario, that I would love to play the Finns with, another player going with the Swedes, and a third as the Russians. But the winter war 39 scenario is 'lost' to me, forgive me but I have been very lazy as it comes to pbm's, but that doesnt mean that I'm a virgin player, I have played hotseat plenty, and after reading the sites guide to basic toaw tactics, I have got some things into my game play that I cannot imagine I played toaw without for four years!
And, with the exellent Combat Mission 1,2 and 3, I wished to play pbm, and then.... What the ...??? Truly the most difficult system of pbm I have ever seen! And this is on a tactical game! Please does anybody know of a bmp 'normalizer' patch for this great game that brings the Avalon Hill Squad Leader game to our pc's.???
Anyway, if you want to play, please send the scenario, and your move if you wish to be the beginner, to my hotmail, which is: poundr17@yahoo.co.uk
Or, to my 'regurlar mail' adress, which I look into more often, but like to use for only the notices and mails, not transferring pics or pbms, still here it is: nels1970@hotmail.com
And although I have won a couple of pbm's against dannybou, he was just beginning playing toaw as a game, so I cannot boast about it.
Another thing is, that I will be mail ordering finally the matrix games battles in Normandy, and Italy, and was wondering, if some pbm action after the initial learining agaisnt the ai has been done would be possible, I gather that these game are good if one is a toaw fan?
Because there is not a whole lotta other games out there.
I understood the logic behind the 'realtime' Airbourne Assault-arnhem, with it's, way of grouping the battalions ect coming as very welcome additions, but the way of the interface was just awful! From Panzer General one, the clear cut way of the most simple way of commanding anything on a hex style game 'board', has been established, but some companies seem to be fixated with making things extra hardk, and countless small butttons or even worse, remembering keys! The bain of air sims, even Sturmovik, still haunts the perfect system of toaw.
Ahem, sorry for the rant, but yep, I would love a game of this secretive scenario... :devious:
p.s. I just got the game Battle of Britain II, in which one can fly in a Sturmovik like enviroment of the B of B, but more to my interest, one can be the air marshall of (at least the British), and command the whole defence!
This sounds great! But, it's a bit tricky! I have tried to go through the quickstart, but no joy...
Anybody got any ideas on how to get myself kick started on this game, oh, I do read the instructions, I read the toaw instructions through as soon as I got it, but that was because from just playing for an hour, with my panxer general background, I got the jist of it, and was so hungry of info, but this game is alien. The games what I like to call 'cloned hybrids of Total war shogun and the Close Combat series', are quite easy to pick up, but hey, they are either just red alert in ww2 discuise, or a kind of fantacy game with more small figures, and the fighting is degraded to age of empires, and there seems to be no serious attempt at getting the Combat Mission accuracy, into a 3d setting, with various squad/platoon basic shapings, ie, echelon, collumn times one, two or three, or loose arrow, with scouts, ect...
Well, I really got off TOAW discussion here, sorry.
Mr poundr.
PS, AND MANY THANKS FOR THE GUYS AND GALS WHO HAVE THE INFINATE PATIENCE AND VERVE TO GO AND CHECK MAPS, OOB'S ECT TO MAKE US WHAT INFACT ARE AVALON HILL QUALITY GAMES(MOST OF THE TIME), AND FOR FREE!!!
THANKS FOR EVERY SCENARIO THAT YOU GUY'S HAVE MADE! I MEAN IT FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART!!!
I'LL POST SOME DOCS AND PICS THAT HOPEFULLY GIVE SOME FEELING TO WARGAMING.
PPSS, Anybody know of the rumoured toaw-3 ??? If anybody is infact making this, please take this into account, air and sea attack onto ships and troops making ship journey should have interdiction on them just like land transported units. Sea rescue. Submarines, defenate places or troops that can be designated for air superiority patrols (ie, the Germans in latter ww1 days, knew they couldnt have air superiority on the whole front, so they moved their 'jastas', and had regional air superiority where they thought it mattered...
ok, now I'll shut up!
PS, AND MANY THANKS FOR THE GUYS AND GALS WHO HAVE THE INFINATE PATIENCE AND VERVE TO GO AND CHECK MAPS, OOB'S ECT TO MAKE US WHAT INFACT ARE AVALON HILL QUALITY GAMES(MOST OF THE TIME), AND FOR FREE!!!
THANKS FOR EVERY SCENARIO THAT YOU GUY'S HAVE MADE! I MEAN IT FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART!!!
Thanks for all of us.
I hope you will join us in the next tournament.
Weserübung2 will be the 1st round, it will be play mirrored, it means you will play both side but with a different opponent.
I posted in main forum some AAR , you can have a look on them it will help you to better open the battles.
Send an Email or a PM to Foggy, you can ask too Dicke Bertha
Regards
Der WanderTOAWModerator
Do not forget to have a look to AAR the tournament will begin soon
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