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Siberian HEAT
14 Dec 04, 13:37
Sorry for the delay in getting chapter 2 ready, but we are still working out the bugs in how we do this. I believe the next chapters should flow much faster now.
In episode II we see Germany poised to tackle the French and British as they try to capture Paris and knock the French out of the war. It is up to you to decide on the best course of action to stop the German invasion. The Germans will be plotting the best way to achieve strategic surprise and quickly capture Paris...
Read Episode II here (http://armchairgeneral.com/page_left_column.php?content=article_disp&p=2052&page=1).
Read Episode I here (http://www.armchairgeneral.com/page_left_column.php?content=article_disp&p=1810&page=1).
You might want to try checking the links listed on the episode two page. I hit the link to go to the Allied forum, and it sent me straight to the Axis forum.
Siberian HEAT
15 Dec 04, 00:48
Must have been some Axis saboteurs. All fixed now!
Thanks for fixing it. Now I have 2 questions:
What, besides vote, can we do to influence the outcome of the war?
Where can I get a copy of TOAW?
Siberian HEAT
15 Dec 04, 17:50
Thanks for fixing it. Now I have 2 questions:
What, besides vote, can we do to influence the outcome of the war?
You can send a check or money order to me, and I will make sure you have influence aplenty! LOL. Just kidding! The discussions in this forum largely determine the course of the voting, but also could lead to some people changing their mind about how the "masses" have voted. Otherwise, the voting is the most direct way to influence each side (even if it leads to disaster!).
Where can I get a copy of TOAW?
The cheapest place is here (http://www.navalwarfare.org/build/store.php?path=software/genre/turn), but you have to scroll down the page to the "O"s to find "Operational Art of War." I'm sure many of you are aware we have a huge TOAW community here, and although the game system is no longer officially supported, it has endured as one of the best turn-based operational wargames on the market. A bit complicated to get started, but we have a lot of helpful gents in our forums that can show you the ropes. :)
I Have A Bigger
16 Dec 04, 05:01
If would be nice if the AARs with TOAW screens were a bit more in depth. Just one screenshot for an entire campaign is a bit light and hard to get into.
Iron Mike USMC
17 Dec 04, 14:16
Though the Italians are not currently a threat, we must be sure that we are prepared to stop if not roll them back in the Med.
Do not overstimate the Maginot Line. Prepare a mobile reserve to cover the Line against local breakthroughs. It is unlikely that any breakthroughs on the Line will be wide.
The French need to be prepared along the borders of Belgium and Holland. Set a defense in depth, set back from the border, not too far. Between ther main line of resistance, and the border, try to set up a checkerboard defense. As the germans probe, and discover weak spots, intentional, forces on the flanks and at the head of these probes can then squeeze. Elements from the main line can advance on those probes which are successful.
Pockets of resistence will likely occur. This will force the Germans to divert troops to try to mop up these forces, depriving them of troops otherwise intended for their main thrusts. As they get sidetracked, we can attempt to assault their lead elements.
Britain is already overextended. To try to field a significant force on mainland Europe is not advised. A strong force can be placed on the continent to support France's left flank, cose to the sea. Ports of embarkation need to be identified, in case an exit is necessary. A series of airfields should be prepared at varying distances from the French border. A handful of squadrons can be based on the continent as a first line of defense. As the front develops, other units can stage in, if necessary.
We should establish a threshold for losses, where if it is crossed, we pull back, if not completely out of France. No sense losing our shirts in France, if we are then unable to defend the home islands.
Britain should try to beef up her forces in the Mid East. If Germany does invade France, we can move against Turkey and Persia. Prior to that, efforts will need to be made to undermine German influence in the area.
Closer to home, ASW efforts need to be enhanced, and the air arm growth needs to be accelerated.
Must have been some Axis saboteurs. All fixed now!
I speaked to my contacts in the secret service, and through my swiss back channell, obtained that the infiltration came from the now recovered doctor sinister (inspite of the baboon urine enemas, the only cure for his 'condition').
It seems like the Doctor, or 'Haw, haw' as some call him, is building a spy network around the Rolls Royce factory...
This means that the Spitfire is in danger of being spyed by Jerry!
I still stress the importance of the fighter arm.
And, I studied the Polish Bliz, now, what we need is consentrations of anti tank defences with heavy anti aircraft combined, needless to say, if the panzers hit a block they go around it, and so, vast minefields should be prepared on every lane of where Jerry might be channeled by the strong points!
And the mobile counter attack force to cut off the head of the panzer snake, our massed tanks with fighter cover!
we should employ only the matilda 2 models, combined with the French tanks, these models are 'bulletproof' to the germans tank guns!
If deployed slightly to the back, we can strike them at our choosing, thus robbing the germans of their seminal speed and initiative...
Their infantry is still marching on foot!
And their artillery is horsedrawn.
These are methods from the previous war, and nothing we cannot deal with if only we can blunt the armour.
Therefore I insist on having a unified tank/airforce command, to react to the astonishing speed of the so called Blizkrieg.
Heavy mining work must go on in all the weak sectors of the front, thats how they will come, panzer attack straight through a corps, and then cut off an army.
Have any of our infantry experience of tanks attacking?
If not, they should all be practicing with at least one light tank attacking their position so that they are psychologically prepared.
This applies especially to the french, who's infantry must stand even if there is a strong tank attack!
P.S.
My greatest thanks to Siberian Heat!
You have done a mans work for our pleasure, and using TOAW, demonstrates just how damn good a game it is!
I myself gamed the pc, playing the allies in the france 1940 scenario that comes with the game, and although experienced players are laughing, it was satisfying to play a 'what if there was a united tank command of the Brits and French'?
And I stopped them into a ww1 like cituation, although I got a big shock when the Belgians surrendered without warning, and caused a big panic for a couple of turns and made me sacrifice some troops to hold the attack through Belgium!
I recommend this game, and someday hope to play it against a live player, but first lets see where mr Siberian and co take us!
May, I suggest that the comments on this thread also influence the play to a certain degree, I find the choises a bit limited, and sometimes, I see I have voted for a lost cause, which is very vexing! :cheeky:
Seriously, thanks for this great adventure!
Menschenfresser
22 Jan 05, 12:17
To possibly start up some new conversation here...
If Stalin gets the chance because of Axis goof ups in the west, north and south, I advocate that the Soviets preempt Barbarossa and attack first. Perhaps they won't get far, but it is vital to disrupt the German timeline as much as possible. However, this could delay the US entry if it sees Russian aggression as a strong counter to Axis gains. Still, the Soviet force can deal a swifter blow to the Germans than the US.
I also think one of the next priorities for the Italians or Germans is to take Malta...or at least try to. If I were the German commander, I might even be inclined to focus on taking Gibraltar after France is decided. Knocking out, or at least threatening, these two accesses to the Med would not only trap the Royal Navy, but would also effectively seal off N. Africa from further reinforcement.
Europe Aflame
25 Jan 05, 10:48
FROM SUPREME COMMANDER, ALLIED FORCES
Gentleman, we are entering the 5th week of the German campaign against France. The French troops are holding out remarkably well, considering the ferocity of the German attack. Seneral corps and divisions are taking moderate losses, but overall the units are able to maintain cohesion and operate effictively.
First the Netherlands, and then Belgium, fell in the opening weeks of the attack. We put up an effective resistance, and cost the Germans dearly in several battles, but overall we were quite unable to stop the initial penetration.
The most recent attacks saw the Germans with an exhausted and under-supplied motorized korps withing 75km of Paris, but we were able to catch her on her flanks, and secure the area. Our front is solid, with a formidable secondary line backing up our troops, but we are proving to be unable to completely halt German gains.
British troops remain in France, with elements both in reserve and seeing active combat on the front.
The situation in Africa is looking very good for the British.
As per earlier directives, the reinforcement of Africa against potential Axis agression has paid off. Increased levels of British preparedness in Ethiopia has allowed a lightning response to the Italian Declaration of War against the Allied Powers.
Two divisions located in Mombasa were able to take all roads leading out of Mogadishu, totally isolating that city from other Italian forces, effecitvely pinning down a corps and a security division.
The recently arrived British motorized infantry corps, based in Berbera, bypassed the main road into Addis Ababa, which recent intel shows to be defended. With the assistance of a French armored recon division, which is controlling the vital rail line leading into Addis Ababa from the east, the British have managed to gain control of the outskirts of the city.
We expect a determined resistance from the defenders, but we also have an additional armored recon division approaching from the southwest, so we believe that the Italians have a matter of weeks. Operational plans then call for securing the surrounding areas, with most of these troops then being redeployed to Egypt for the impending conflict with the Italians.
With the addition of these troops, it is my personal feeling the we will have enough force to consider a limited offensive in this theatre, but recent reports have shown us a potential for actual German combat units to be shipped into Libya. This will dramatically change the balance of power in this theatre.
The continued control of Gibraltar, Malta and the Suez Canal are of vital importance to British concerns in the Med.
Our strength, both naval and in ground forces, are adequate all throughout the Med, but this may change rapidly depending on future Axis movements in the area. It is our feeling that the situation will soon heat up here, as the Axis consider the next move.
French colonial assets are preparing to mobilize. Within the next two weeks, we expect to have several divisions and corps stationed in French West Africa redeployed to mainland France to aid in the defence of Paris.
Combined British and French air assets have been inflicting staggering losses on the Luftwaffe, exceeding our expectations; however, our own losses have been very signifigant as well, which mitigates some of the success.
Naval operations between the multinational forces operating in the North Sea* have met with reasonable success in harrassing German supply and communication along the coastal regions where possible.
(* - It is my pleasure to inform you that the gallant Dutch fleet crossed the Channel and sailed into port in England after the fall of her capital, vowing to fight for as long as it took to free Europe from Hitler's tyranny. Fierce fighting has taken its toll, however, and out of the 8 destroyers, 3 Light Cruisers and 1 Heavy Cruiser, only 3 DDs and the one heavy cruiser are available for operations. The yards are already beginning the refit, but this will take some time).
Additional diplomatic efforts have been undertaken with the Russians and the Americans.
The Russians continue to hunker down behind their lines, (well back of the German/Russian border), and remain uncommunicative.
The Americans are more than willing to talk, but aside from the continuing shipments of lend lease that arrive in the UK proper, they feel that their response has been more than adequate for the present situation, and remain unconvinced of the need to increase their commitment.
I hope they can be made to see the light gentlemen, and soon. Although overall our strategic situation is sound, I do feel that we are in big trouble in France. We must plan accordingly.
It sounds like the situation is under control.
France remains a great 'what if' and we must prepare for the worst, we cannot rely on stationary defences like in the last war!
Remember the speed of their combined air and especially their tank formations!
We can still be in for a nasty shock gentlemen, let us not lapse into a false sence of 'we will stop them in the flanders mud'...
I still remain the prophet of air power, and belive that the RAF should get more fighter interceptors, for once the germans start to send their bombers from holland, there will be no excuse for not having a good fighter force!
Also, if they start to get closer to the shoreline, our ships can give devastating support, but only if protected by airpower, and I'm afraid the French air power has not been quite to the same quality as their latest fighters...
So, the Luftwaffe, and the Panzers are our immediate consern, we do not have enough of anti tank guns.
and as for tanks, I'm afraid that the germans listened to Liddle hart more than we did!
Our Matilda II seems to be the most effective weapon as it is not statick like anti tank guns, which the germans are good at dealing with, by their superior tank tackicks, and their damned stuka's!
therefore we need more fighters.
And a call for commonwealth flyers to join in to bolster our pilot shortage.
Somehow our air power must be beefed up!
By the way, when shall the next vote take place!!
The cituation needs a vote, maybe a counter attack could be put into their belly through the Maginot line!
Just a feint, with a possibility to hold on to some of their ground, it would throw them off balance.
Europe Aflame
26 Jan 05, 19:04
First pictures from the war in the west!
Much loss of life as entire French and British Divisions are destroyed!
Thousands of Allied prisoners taken in sweeping Panzer engagements!
Paris soon to fall!!
(click on the thumbnails below for larger versions of each image)
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/wordpress/wp-content/Andrew/EA/Thumb%20France1.jpg (http://www.armchairgeneral.com/wordpress/wp-content/Andrew/EA/France1.jpg)
Desperate, exhausted and hungry - grateful French troops await humane treatment from German victors.
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/wordpress/wp-content/Andrew/EA/Thumb%20France2.jpg (http://www.armchairgeneral.com/wordpress/wp-content/Andrew/EA/France2.jpg)
The wreckage of battle - once proud vehicles lie burnt out and abandoned on the roadside - victims of the inexorable German advance to the west.
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/wordpress/wp-content/Andrew/EA/Thumb%20France3.jpg (http://www.armchairgeneral.com/wordpress/wp-content/Andrew/EA/France3.jpg)
Victorious German Panzers take a short break before heading forward once again.
More to follow...
Europe Aflame
26 Jan 05, 19:07
...Continued.
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/wordpress/wp-content/Andrew/EA/Thumb France4.jpg (http://www.armchairgeneral.com/wordpress/wp-content/Andrew/EA/France4.jpg)
Meanwhile, above in the skies, German Paratroopers launch their assault.
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/wordpress/wp-content/Andrew/EA/Thumb France5.jpg (http://www.armchairgeneral.com/wordpress/wp-content/Andrew/EA/France5.jpg)
No mercy for the enemies of Germany - if troops will not surrender, they must be burned out of their hiding places.
Victory is certain!!
Aaargh! The worst has happened, and now Britain must brace asap!
Any voting please!!!
we are facing invasion!
What about the Americans???
Now is the time to rally, awake allied voters, or we WILL see the seelion plan fall through!
What state is the British army on the island like???
How much heavy equiptment and men did we loose from our army's grand total???
Can the Navy at least do it's duty in bombing the French navy unless they come over to our harbours immediatlely???
RAF! RAF! RAF! INCOMING!!! :surprise:
Gents, a word from 'outside' the story for just a moment, if you please. I have word on a new poll, some information to share with you, and a quick caveat about this project!
First off, there has been discussion on the Europe Aflame ICS project over the past couple of days, and we're making some changes to how we do things. We're going to try to provide more content, more polls, more options, and better chances for your input. We're still determining the finer points of our new system, but be sure to watch for interesting changes as the project continues!
Secondly, our writers are working on a new poll right now. Both sides must consider the next move as the French campaign winds down. The poll will be available shortly.
Lastly, a quick caveat.
The pictorial articles that are posted in the threads are using actual images and text from real sources (particularily SIGNAL transmissions), so bear in mind that we cannot alter the images and such to coincide with our somewhat different reality. We try to only use the ones that make sense, but bear with us when it's not quite a perfect fit! ;)
The 'reports' style posts (such as the ones you receive from the Allied Supreme Commander), however, are completely accurate, and reflect the current situation completely.
So keep in mind some of the posts you see are for flavor and enjoyment (such as the authentic pictures), while others are presenting you accurate sitreps.
Let the war continue!
Gents, a word from 'outside' the story for just a moment, if you please. I have word on a new poll, some information to share with you, and a quick caveat about this project!
First off, there has been discussion on the Europe Aflame ICS project over the past couple of days, and we're making some changes to how we do things. We're going to try to provide more content, more polls, more options, and better chances for your input. We're still determining the finer points of our new system, but be sure to watch for interesting changes as the project continues!
Secondly, our writers are working on a new poll right now. Both sides must consider the next move as the French campaign winds down. The poll will be available shortly.
Lastly, a quick caveat.
The pictorial articles that are posted in the threads are using actual images and text from real sources (particularily SIGNAL transmissions), so bear in mind that we cannot alter the images and such to coincide with our somewhat different reality. We try to only use the ones that make sense, but bear with us when it's not quite a perfect fit! ;)
The 'reports' style posts (such as the ones you receive from the Allied Supreme Commander), however, are completely accurate, and reflect the current situation completely.
So keep in mind some of the posts you see are for flavor and enjoyment (such as the authentic pictures), while others are presenting you accurate sitreps.
Let the war continue!
Thanks for the poll's.
I cant see why anybody would have a problem with the historically correct signal reports??? It's half the fun!
Anyway, it sound's like you got the ball right were it's supposed to be, now IS the time for more micromanagement, such as diplomatic considerations toward america (as the allied side is the UK alone at this phase, and I might add from my grandfathers memories that the late summer/autumn of 1940, people were seriously waiting for a german invasion, only slowly with the german air lossess, and churchill's spirit, and the slow realisation that the German's had shot their bolt in the air battle, did the finger come off the trigger...
My grandfather volunteered for the homeguard, he lived in south east kent, which was known through intel to be a target for at least a full div of fallschirmjäger! Their section had some ww1 vet's also, and he said that if Jerry would have come, the vets would have taken charge no matter what orders might have emanated from some silly police captain.
And they would have fought with their enfields and bren guns, to the last man, with some nasty suprises that the ww1 vet's were making by themselves (home made mines I suppose)...
So I'f it come's to blow's, in seelöwe, remember that Kent is full of sections and platoons on for each village, or small town, and they will engage the Fallschirmjäger!
But otherwize everything you said sounds good, I was beginning to feel lonely here! I hope our mini war cabinet will re join!
Things are starting to pick up. Both the Axis & Allied sides have round table discussions ongoing, the France campaign is continuing behind the scenes, the polls for episode 3 are nearing completion, and should be posted shortly!
Things are starting to pick up. Both the Axis & Allied sides have round table discussions ongoing, the France campaign is continuing behind the scenes, the polls for episode 3 are nearing completion, and should be posted shortly!
I really hope that the game scenario you are using for the gaming of our 'project', gives due count of the British home guard irregurlars.
They were equipped with infantry rifles, and anti tank rifles, capacity to take out a panzer one fronally, but there were also 40mm Bofors anti air guns manned by home guard units, and the Finns in the Winter war of 39-40 used Bofors 40mm for anti tank work!!!
If toaw, does not give the aa gun any anti armour qualities, then perhaps model this effect by putting the same number of two pounders anti tank guns in a bofors unit. They would have been used if Britain would have been invaded.
Also, the old guys in the home guard, were vets of ww1, with good tactical sence for defence. My grandad rememberes that one guy brought along his big game rifle of something like 480cal, with scope, and he intended to snipe the Fallschirmjägers in the sky with it!
My grandad served in one of the most dangerous areas for invasion threat, the south east corner of Kent, they had been warned that the area was going to be hit by paratroopers if the invasion came, this ofcourse was ULTRA info, and it really was so, some landings were to take place at Dover, and to keep the flank secure the area east of Dover was the target of a Fallschirmjäger division.
Please take into account these irregurlar troops that were present in the coastal counties from North Humberland to Cornwall.
And ofcourse inland and in Scotland (The whole country actually, but the invasion area men took precedence) too, but not in the same readiness alert as the boys on the coast during the Battle of Britain.
My Grandad didnt get a nights sleep for almost six months!
This readiness, is essential for any game simulation intending to give a true account, the home guard numbered thousands of men in Kent alone!
In no game, have I seen the home guard, put in. Only regurlar military, but they would of had an effect on the initial stages, especially to German para's who spread out must have fought them on equal odds. Exept the german para's had their arms in canisters, and the home guard had theirs on the ready.
It would have been savage fighting to the last man, my grandfather said, they calculated to take as many with them as possible.
And later perhaps the remainign home guards would have been formed into 'volksjäger' style big units.
michammer
05 Feb 05, 21:46
I really hope that the game scenario you are using for the gaming of our 'project', gives due count of the British home guard irregurlars.
They were equipped with infantry rifles, and anti tank rifles, capacity to take out a panzer one fronally, but there were also 40mm Bofors anti air guns manned by home guard units, and the Finns in the Winter war of 39-40 used Bofors 40mm for anti tank work!!!
If toaw, does not give the aa gun any anti armour qualities, then perhaps model this effect by putting the same number of two pounders anti tank guns in a bofors unit. They would have been used if Britain would have been invaded.
Also, the old guys in the home guard, were vets of ww1, with good tactical sence for defence. My grandad rememberes that one guy brought along his big game rifle of something like 480cal, with scope, and he intended to snipe the Fallschirmjägers in the sky with it!
My grandad served in one of the most dangerous areas for invasion threat, the south east corner of Kent, they had been warned that the area was going to be hit by paratroopers if the invasion came, this ofcourse was ULTRA info, and it really was so, some landings were to take place at Dover, and to keep the flank secure the area east of Dover was the target of a Fallschirmjäger division.
Please take into account these irregurlar troops that were present in the coastal counties from North Humberland to Cornwall.
And ofcourse inland and in Scotland (The whole country actually, but the invasion area men took precedence) too, but not in the same readiness alert as the boys on the coast during the Battle of Britain.
My Grandad didnt get a nights sleep for almost six months!
This readiness, is essential for any game simulation intending to give a true account, the home guard numbered thousands of men in Kent alone!
In no game, have I seen the home guard, put in. Only regurlar military, but they would of had an effect on the initial stages, especially to German para's who spread out must have fought them on equal odds. Exept the german para's had their arms in canisters, and the home guard had theirs on the ready.
It would have been savage fighting to the last man, my grandfather said, they calculated to take as many with them as possible.
And later perhaps the remainign home guards would have been formed into 'volksjäger' style big units.
Good point. The Home Guard would have put up a good fight, though ultimately they would have been destroyed.
Incidentally, theWest Front Battle Pack "Operation Sealion" does include Home Guard Units. One scenario uses the names from the TV series "Dad's Army."
GeorgiaDixie
06 Feb 05, 10:24
I was wondering if I could join the Allied Command Group (or whatever y'all are! ;) )? I never actually looked at this stuff before yesterday, but now that it did I'd like to get involved. Of course, I'm an American Johnny-Come-Lately! :laugh:
michammer
06 Feb 05, 12:24
I was wondering if I could join the Allied Command Group (or whatever y'all are! ;) )? I never actually looked at this stuff before yesterday, but now that it did I'd like to get involved. Of course, I'm an American Johnny-Come-Lately! :laugh:
You're more than welcome Georgia. What do you think the allies should do next?
GeorgiaDixie
06 Feb 05, 16:07
You're more than welcome Georgia. What do you think the allies should do next?
Well from reading the SITREP it appears that the war in France is going better than happened in reality. I still think that some heavy BEF forces should be prepared to withdraw immediately, but for the most part, just make sure escape routes are open and continue the good fight. As for Africa, our forces there seem to be performing well and should be able to operate without any reinforcements for some time. So I say, remain ever vigilant and I'll wait for a more up-to-date SITREP before I actually suggest anything detailed! :thumup:
Oddly enough there is a thread called the Allied Sit Rep. It's where I joined at. And welcome to the right side of the war!
http://war-forums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21858
:flag: :salute: :salute:
Good point. The Home Guard would have put up a good fight, though ultimately they would have been destroyed.
Incidentally, theWest Front Battle Pack "Operation Sealion" does include Home Guard Units. One scenario uses the names from the TV series "Dad's Army."
Well, the units directly in front of the first wave, and the german para's would probably been destroyed mostly. But as they were local men, they would have found way's to escape, and as the landings came into the south, the home guard units of all the county's not hit, would have provided tens of thousands of armed and ready men.
I belive the home guard is truly a force that has been completely overlooked, my grandfather knew for example that the single road to Dover, would have german tanks coming up on it to relive the para's, they were that well informed, and they has various means to cut that road, do not underestimate this mix of maquis style young men who know the terrain with ww1 veterans dogged in defence, armed with, rifles, Bren guns, grenades, bofors guns, and home made explosive devices, along with personal weapons.
And all controlled from London.
they wouldnt have been wiped away, shure the guys in front of the main push would have scattered with great lossess, but it's a falce conseption brought by the comedy series dad's army, that they were very inept and complete morons.
My grandfather said that the police chief gave them soem orders but the ww1 vets had their own plans on how to defend their village's area, one of them, a man with medals up the ying yang, told my grandfather, once they come you just stick to me John, and do what I say, and it will be allright.
Both new the terrain like their own hands, I belive they would have fought like the men of finland in the winter war, who sometimes found themselves fighting in their own home village and immediately caused ambushes to the enemy...
A untested theory, but it would have been a bloodbath (on both sides), even before the regurlar army units would have joined the fight.
GeorgiaDixie
06 Feb 05, 17:34
Oddly enough there is a thread called the Allied Sit Rep. It's where I joined at. And welcome to the right side of the war!
http://war-forums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21858
:flag: :salute: :salute:
Thanks for the link and glad to be aboard! :thumup:
Well, the units directly in front of the first wave, and the german para's would probably been destroyed mostly. But as they were local men, they would have found way's to escape, and as the landings came into the south, the home guard units of all the county's not hit, would have provided tens of thousands of armed and ready men.
I belive the home guard is truly a force that has been completely overlooked, my grandfather knew for example that the single road to Dover, would have german tanks coming up on it to relive the para's, they were that well informed, and they has various means to cut that road, do not underestimate this mix of maquis style young men who know the terrain with ww1 veterans dogged in defence, armed with, rifles, Bren guns, grenades, bofors guns, and home made explosive devices, along with personal weapons.
And all controlled from London.
they wouldnt have been wiped away, shure the guys in front of the main push would have scattered with great lossess, but it's a falce conseption brought by the comedy series dad's army, that they were very inept and complete morons.
My grandfather said that the police chief gave them soem orders but the ww1 vets had their own plans on how to defend their village's area, one of them, a man with medals up the ying yang, told my grandfather, once they come you just stick to me John, and do what I say, and it will be allright.
Both new the terrain like their own hands, I belive they would have fought like the men of finland in the winter war, who sometimes found themselves fighting in their own home village and immediately caused ambushes to the enemy...
A untested theory, but it would have been a bloodbath (on both sides), even before the regurlar army units would have joined the fight.
Well said. :nofear:
Well said. :nofear:
I concur! I hope the vote will have as much as possible of desicions, as the next action report might be of German invasion taking place, and if that goes bad for Britain, then the game is over, I belive that America has to be included into this cituation.
Historically Roosevelt was keeping a very conserned eye at the ongoings of Hitlers bliz through first part of Eastern, and then most of Western Europe, he knew well enough, that if Britain would go under he probably would have to live with diplomatic relations to a Nazi Europe, with the Soviet Union thown in for good measure.
I belive that as some sources suggest that Roosevelt had at this time heard enough of the goings on in the occupied territories, along with the round up of Jewish people in Eastern Europe under Hitler, that he secretly manouvered to get America into the war, the extending of America's convoy defence to all the way to Iceland, was one of the signs that some have speculated upon...
Churchill ofcourse was pleading for weapons and lobbying for American intervention into the war, so I hope that somekind of American related question is included into the next vote, which might be the most crucial one the allies have!
BTW, I think you guy's have done a man's work on giving us this pleasure of making alternative history, After the war is over, I would appreciate if a log of what happened where when, would be given, just in a very compact form, ofcourse any distinguished untit actions would be appreciated, but I know that u guy's are probably busy doing all the move's and planning and poll's and assimilating the oppinions ect...
I am standing ready on the outskirts of Ramsgate, (Where my grandfather lives, and lived close by all his life, exept for the four years in 41 to 45 when he lived in London when he was working for the DOD). My loaded Lee Enfield seems to weigh twenty pounds after a night of having it hanging off my shoulder, dawn is just dawning, and the Sergeant shouts from the old fire station which we use for barracs, "'C'mon John, tea is ready, we can stand down now, they wont come today"...
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