Feedback on Island Civil War Structure

[Double Deuce]

I thought I would post this here even though this Campaign seems to be running smoothly and is far from over.
I have plans to run another Campaign using the same format but much larger, if there is enough interest for the project. Obviously this one will be finished 1st BUT as these take a large amount of time to build/create, I want to get as early a start as possible. With that in mind I need feedback from those of you currently participating and those who are interested in participating.

What I want to know is;
How is the format of using zones for movement working out? Would you prefer another method for this or maybe even use hexes?
Do you think the next Campaign should be more historical based (NATO vs WP, India vs Pakistan, Middle East, etc) or hypothetical like this one but with more "Nations" involved.
How is the "Forum based" tracking for OOB's, Orders and Battle Briefings working out? What can be done to streamline or improve things?
What "Nations" in SPMBT should be involved in the next Combat Campaign?

I have several ideas in mind and am exploring how to best balance the sides as well as what the possible interest levels might be.

Any feedback, input or suggestions would be greatly appreciated :D

[aef027]

I like NATO vs Warsaw Pact and would like to participate.

-Al (manhunter)

[Katusa]

NATO vs WP Rules!

[Skirmisher]

Hi there,

I like your campaign,and thank you for your time and effort and being the acting CM (Combat Master).

I'd perfer a fictional campaign but I will be involved in the next one regardless of what nations are involved.
If it was a Warsaw Pack vs NATO what year would it be?
I think that in the current campaign there are to few towns and they are worth to much. They should be worth various points like you have it only more varied. And rather than buying the reinforcements various towns,cities,airfields etc would yield various things,for example village 03 yields item x and y and thats it.Not all places can field all things ,maybe in a city youd have a small variety of stuff to chose from.
there shouldnt be three sides ,only 2 or 4. If 4 its 2 teams of 2.

I think your idea of hexes is good as far as movement,the current zones are really big and I think smaller and more numerous zones would be better,for example all the combat activity has basically been in the same area since the beginning of the campaign.

[Artur]

NATO WP rulez here as well!

Artur.

[Pannonicus]

NATO vs WP, preferably southern front with Hungarian troops involved.

[Double Deuce]

I think your idea of hexes is good as far as movement,the current zones are really big and I think smaller and more numerous zones would be better,for example all the combat activity has basically been in the same area since the beginning of the campaign.My plan this next time is to use zones again but smaller ones. The current Campaign was mainly designed to test a few things such as tracking as much as possible directly on the forum such as the OOB's, Orders and Battle Briefings. Basically, keep it simple.

I do want to add situation maps in the next one for each "side" where they can see a graphic of the overall map with all their forces and known enemy units.

I am also looking to set it up so players will have designated command of specific units throughout the campaign. This would probably be Regiments or Battalions depending on the scale I use and the # of players involved.

[Double Deuce]

NATO vs WP, preferably southern front with Hungarian troops involved.
What area would fit this type scenario AND what nations could be involved? I am thinking summer of 1984, 85, 86 or 87. Anyone or everyone please list probable nations involved, listing them by Nato and WP such as;

NATO;
United States,
West Germany,
Italy.

Warsaw Pact;
Soviet Union,
Poland,
East Germany.

[Skirmisher]

1985 Fulda Gap Germany

This was the strongest point for both sides(so they say),a war in that place considering the sheer volume of the equipment at the time.

[Pannonicus]

No Hungary? :-( Anyway, then I would opt for a Polish command, I have many friends there - but maybe my force would desert to NATO after the first engagement, "fragging" our political officers. :D

[Double Deuce]

No Hungary? :-( No one ever said "no Hungary" :crosseye: BUT where would they have been involved should it have happened? Probably in the Southern area near Regenburg/Munich is my guess. There is a TOAW-COW NATO vs WP Scenario with Hungarian units involved so I can use that as reference in a hypothetical campaign . :D

[Artur]

Sorry Pannonicus, but Hungarians were planned to be sent against the Italians. I talked with several army officers about it. As a matter of fact I would choose NATO and I would not want Hungarians as opponents. I'd rather sweep the Russians out of the country :).

Artur.

[Pannonicus]

I know that our target was Italy: but taking the current hyper-rated Italian OOB, I would not want to play against them. On the other hand, taking the 70s, I am not sure Italy would have fought (strong communist party, etc.), or have taken a back seat at the beginning. Remember, in 1915 they did not care with whom they were allied to - they waited, and whoever offered the better prize they joined him... (A British-American analysis of the late 70s suggests that they were not such a reliable ally.)

I would take WP not because of ideology, but because I am more familiar with it (army friends as well), and feel more personal attachment to THE PEOPLE who were part of it. I am not against a "East Block Uprising Campaign" as well...

[Skirmisher]

Hi there,

Could you explain what you mean buy the Italian OOB being hyper -rated? just curious.

[dita]

Hello,

I would also like to passon my thanks to DD for organizing and holding this campiang. It has been most enjoyable! And its probably not halfway through yet!

A couple of things. A fictional campaign would be good, but as long as we get to play with some "sexy" equipment :D

The WP vs NATO would be interesting. Any chance of some UK forces though?

On the subject of forum tracking of OOBs etc. Perhaps an update for each side could be done on a seperate web page. (known only to that side, obviously :D )This would make it easier to track, and jump straight into it. Keeping the secure forums for discussion.

I realise that updating web pages would probably create far more work. Perhaps the "team leader" of each force can update (or send files) to the "games master". I`m sure the interation of a "HQ" page for each force would make the interaction an immersion factor very high. Anyway, just my initial thoughts. Oh, obviously, count me in!

[Pannonicus]

Hi there,

Could you explain what you mean buy the Italian OOB being hyper -rated? just curious.

I played them some in v2.0, and they were way too good, compared to other minor NATO nations. Maybe it was fixed in v3.01. Anyway, I did not feel realistic.

[Double Deuce]

The WP vs NATO would be interesting. Any chance of some UK forces though?Yes, that is where the hypothetical part comes in. It would be in a real area during a real time but the actual situation would be "what if". I am thinking Southern Germany near Munich (Passau/Regensburg area on German/Czech/Austrian Border). This way we can include more modern equipment than Island Civil War and more Nations.

[Pannonicus]

This seems to me a good idea. As far as reinforcements, I think it should come a little more lavishly as it did in Civil War. Here most forces are pretty much starved to modern equipment, so as I see battles are becoming pretty much like WW1 engagements, lots of infantry shooting at each other, without the niceties of armored warfare and generally just being mobile. I am sure that a Cold War scenario would be different, I cannot wait to command a MRR with proper support. :D

[danstudentvcc]

I thought I would post this here even though this Campaign seems to be running smoothly and is far from over.
I have plans to run another Campaign using the same format but much larger, if there is enough interest for the project. ...
Any feedback, input or suggestions would be greatly appreciated :D
:D I would love to play. Hopefully this time the health won't be such an impediment. I finally got used to being able to make sense of the SP maps/units while lying down on my side in bed. But boy did learning to use the mouse at awkward angles take long -reminds me of the science center exhibits of lizards that got operations or lenses that turned everything upside down. For the length of time it took the lizards to learn how to catch the bugs with their tongues given the new brain inputs, they had to starve- likewise my SP gaming, I was starved!!

I would love to play not only WarPac but as well re-enactments:surprise: of WW2 battles, but with modern forces. Of course many countries have fallen in quality since WW2 but MBT's are not everything so I would even enjoy pasting the Italians who by contributing to SP got their OOB's "hyper-attenuated"!

Kudos to the whoops [sic]. I think the SP designers said much the same thing when people would write about why wasn't this .. etc .. -->they need to buy more games to draw attention I believe they said then designers will pay attention to them in return and include those items and nations in their games.

Say, about movement. Are zone movements done simultaneously. By this I mean say two forces with different orders move into the same locations - at the same time - do the rder constraints lead to battles or is it resolved by turn order phases?

danstudentvcc

[mr_clark]

What area would fit this type scenario AND what nations could be involved? I am thinking summer of 1984, 85, 86 or 87. Anyone or everyone please list probable nations involved, listing them by Nato and WP such as;

NATO;
United States,
West Germany,
Italy.

Warsaw Pact;
Soviet Union,
Poland,
East Germany.

Pity I am seeing that just now: I would really like some game where NATO is the agressor against WP.

It would be fun I guess to have some East German tank unit under your command and then fight the delaying action to the Oder after whcih you can start to counterattack with a nice support from your soviet allies or something.

I also planned to create a campagn on this, but as SPMBT really does not work good on my Xp machine I never really did something for it (maybe with a little help and WinMBT...)

Well, if we wait for winMBT with the new campaign I would really like to participate more actively than in this one.

[Double Deuce]

Pity I am seeing that just now: I would really like some game where NATO is the agressor against WP.

It would be fun I guess to have some East German tank unit under your command and then fight the delaying action to the Oder after whcih you can start to counterattack with a nice support from your soviet allies or something.This may fit into what I was thinking. Basically;
WP attacks NATO, after 2 months front lines stabilize, NATO goes on the offensive to carry it to the WP home turf. Maybe a WP Nation changing sides in the middle. :D

[Double Deuce]

Say, about movement. Are zone movements done simultaneously. By this I mean say two forces with different orders move into the same locations - at the same time - do the rder constraints lead to battles or is it resolved by turn order phases?
Zone Movement (Operational Level) is being used in the SPMBT Civil War Campaign and simultaneous movement into a zone by different factions results in combat at the Tactical Level (SPMBT)

[danstudentvcc]

Pity I am ... Well, if we wait for winMBT with the new campaign I would really like to participate more actively than in this one.
:D :D :D Gee. Why wait for the future. I have both MBT ver 3 and the version 3 supplement. If you don't mind facing off against my West Germans I'll take you on. We should have air and quite a bit of tank hardware .. otherwise there'd be no sense in having a war [ a futebol match would be enough].

The XP problem, is that the cursor issue that makes it run badly; or is it the fast scroll; or is it the corrupted graphics upon exiting the game; or is it the buzzing sound effects that come out with alot of static?

I've had success against the graphics mouse and sound but not the scroll rate.

danstudentvcc

[Pannonicus]

You can modify in in one of the .ini files. See the description in the same folder. For me it worked.

[danstudentvcc]

:crosseye: Bonus .. thanks .. forgot about the info in the ini files!

danstudentvcc

[Pannonicus]

You are welcome! I think you picked the good team, actually. Rebels are losers. :p

[Double Deuce]

You are welcome! I think you picked the good team, actually. Rebels are losers. :pGlad to see the UN is such an impartial entitiy! :smoke:

[Pannonicus]

No, it was just an OBJECTIVE statement of the current situation. :hush: We want peace - this is the war to end the civil war you know. :nuts:

[mr_clark]

:D :D :D Gee. Why wait for the future. I have both MBT ver 3 and the version 3 supplement. If you don't mind facing off against my West Germans I'll take you on. We should have air and quite a bit of tank hardware .. otherwise there'd be no sense in having a war [ a futebol match would be enough].

The XP problem, is that the cursor issue that makes it run badly; or is it the fast scroll; or is it the corrupted graphics upon exiting the game; or is it the buzzing sound effects that come out with alot of static?

I've had success against the graphics mouse and sound but not the scroll rate.

danstudentvcc

Well, as I said the problwem is the poor performance, if we can agree on a small scale map I might try a little game thaugh.

[Waape]

Are you playing a ICW battle, or it is just for fun. I dont want Gov and UN fight each other! :OHNO:

[mr_clark]

Are you playing a ICW battle, or it is just for fun. I dont want Gov and UN fight each other! :OHNO:
N ofear I'm not going to be too hard to him :)

[Pannonicus]

Glad to see the UN is such an impartial entitiy! :smoke:

What are you talking about? We are not a humanitarian organization to be neutral, impartial, independent etc. This is the UN!
:devious: :smoke: We are to make peace, not to prolong this suffering!

[Katusa]

Now we can see what they are! Imperialist dogs, raping this country!

[Waape]

Rebels have no right to say anything like that! They are untermentsch, worse than anything that happened in this country ever. We are going to terminate this half-amphibian rubble. Behold people, your sufferings from these Maoists are almost over! :mad:

[Pannonicus]

OK, I think everybody should cool down. We will decide it on the battlefield not by insults to the other party.